Build a Franchise Season 4- Draft starts Saturday (Detroit is on the clock until 8AM) Announcement- page 81

[King of Canada]

Hoffa posting info that is publicly available is completely harmless. If you don’t like it, treat it like his trade offers and ignore it. And it’s not nearly the shadiest **** that has gone down.

Were player names not public info during BAT drafts? Answer that, anyone who supports this fuggery.

I see standards being set by adhering to the lowest behaviors and not the highest. Usually when cats start talking about how something isn't the worst that has happened, that usually tells you all you need to know about immoral the subject matter is.

I don’t know, I never played BAT. Did everybody wear ball gags?

[Capn'O]

GROSS!

[bringbackhoffa]

[3toheadmelo]

You have a GM here openly admitting he is operating in bad faith FOR MONTHS and people giving him a pass.

Smh

[Capn'O]

I don't think any GM worth their salt is taking it as more than entertainment. It's gonna be how it always was. The big pockets are gonna come out swinging for the guys they want and the people with crab money are gonna be rooting around the bottom for the best scraps that fall through.



I had my targets when I had big money and I've got 'em now.

I stopped reading right there. Fact of the matter is a faction of GMs don't do their homework to max capacity. This dude just helped that contingent out. Stop tryna downplay fuggery.

Toofless Hoffa caused some high bids in the initial BAF draft but his shtick is known by now, except maybe by Wingo.

Now, the business he does announcing bids as FA is going on is much more damaging. Happy to call that **** out because that's a situation where the impact is very real.

[bringbackhoffa]

[mpharris36]

Here is where I stand:

Hoffa during the FA period was garbage...asking other teams to bid on players because they were too cheap.

Hoffa doing FA profiles I don't really have too much an issue with because I don't see it any different then any of us commenting on trades and who we like and who we don't like. I think activity is good for the league because we also do complain about GM's that never show up unless they are bat signaled and don't really participate in the game.

If during the free agent period hoffa is asking teams to bid on players I will 100% say that is BS and should not be allowed. I feel a FA profile is innocent and is his opinion just like me asking Melo to do a mock draft preview is innocent and opinion. But if someone during the draft says I can't believe this guy is slipping that I feel is where I would draw the line. Like no offense to someone doing a mock draft but that isn't going to change my opinion on what to do. At all and I would expect that to be the same across the entire league.

[2010]

I don't think any GM worth their salt is taking it as more than entertainment. It's gonna be how it always was. The big pockets are gonna come out swinging for the guys they want and the people with crab money are gonna be rooting around the bottom for the best scraps that fall through.



I had my targets when I had big money and I've got 'em now.

I stopped reading right there. Fact of the matter is a faction of GMs don't do their homework to max capacity. This dude just helped that contingent out. Stop tryna downplay fuggery.

Toofless Hoffa caused some high bids in the initial BAF draft but his shtick is known by now, except maybe by Wingo.

Now, the business he does announcing bids as FA is going on is much more damaging. Happy to call that **** out because that's a situation where the impact is very real.

The impact of what he is doing is real now too. Maybe just not real to you. But to me and my situation, his shenanigans are impactful. I'll leave it at that.

[bringbackhoffa]

Here is where I stand:

Hoffa during the FA period was garbage...asking other teams to bid on players because they were too cheap.

Hoffa doing FA profiles I don't really have too much an issue with because I don't see it any different then any of us commenting on trades and who we like and who we don't like. I think activity is good for the league because we also do complain about GM's that never show up unless they are bat signaled and don't really participate in the game.

If during the free agent period hoffa is asking teams to bid on players I will 100% say that is BS and should not be allowed. I feel a FA profile is innocent and is his opinion just like me asking Melo to do a mock draft preview is innocent and opinion. But if someone during the draft says I can't believe this guy is slipping that I feel is where I would draw the line. Like no offense to someone doing a mock draft but that isn't going to change my opinion on what to do. At all and I would expect that to be the same across the entire league.

I agree with some of what you have stated, a profile is just my opinion, but wouldnt me stating a player is too cheap just be my opinion as well?

[2010]

Here is where I stand:

Hoffa during the FA period was garbage...asking other teams to bid on players because they were too cheap.

Hoffa doing FA profiles I don't really have too much an issue with because I don't see it any different then any of us commenting on trades and who we like and who we don't like. I think activity is good for the league because we also do complain about GM's that never show up unless they are bat signaled and don't really participate in the game.

If during the free agent period hoffa is asking teams to bid on players I will 100% say that is BS and should not be allowed. I feel a FA profile is innocent and is his opinion just like me asking Melo to do a mock draft preview is innocent and opinion. But if someone during the draft says I can't believe this guy is slipping that I feel is where I would draw the line.

I keep seeing words like "harmless" and "innocent" being used. Yet Hoffa has stated on various occasions what his intentions are with those player profiles, and the upcoming team profiles. And he has openly admitted to operating in bad faith with them.

That is totally different then Melo doing a mock draft. Melo was not giving teams strategic outlooks. He was not bolding text and highlighting what bid processes would likely be successful.

Intentions matter. Bad faith cannot be construed as harmless or innocent.

As for the shenanigans he pulls that NewEra has mentioned where he names players, the time their winning bid is closing, and publicizes the current high bid in salary amount and contract years that bish PM's him. Well he has done that two years in a row now, with zero consecussions or reperquences.

His whole operation is bush league. I'm not turning a blind eye, due to it being a long offseason and the fact that he is active. You can be entertaining and active while operating in good faith, and in the best interest of the league.

[mpharris36]

Here is where I stand:

Hoffa during the FA period was garbage...asking other teams to bid on players because they were too cheap.

Hoffa doing FA profiles I don't really have too much an issue with because I don't see it any different then any of us commenting on trades and who we like and who we don't like. I think activity is good for the league because we also do complain about GM's that never show up unless they are bat signaled and don't really participate in the game.

If during the free agent period hoffa is asking teams to bid on players I will 100% say that is BS and should not be allowed. I feel a FA profile is innocent and is his opinion just like me asking Melo to do a mock draft preview is innocent and opinion. But if someone during the draft says I can't believe this guy is slipping that I feel is where I would draw the line. Like no offense to someone doing a mock draft but that isn't going to change my opinion on what to do. At all and I would expect that to be the same across the entire league.

I agree with some of what you have stated, a profile is just my opinion, but wouldnt me stating a player is too cheap just be my opinion as well?

It would be your opinion but it would also parrell to your benefit. Lets say you were bidding on another player and needed another player to raise the value of someone else so they couldn't bid on your player. I see that as acting in bad faith.

FA profiles before FA start don't effect bidding IMO. You purposely calling out a specific player to get bid on (could be intepreted as your opinion as well as bad faith to get other players for cheaper). That is where I draw the line that its not JUST your opinion anymore.

[bringbackhoffa]

Here is where I stand:

Hoffa during the FA period was garbage...asking other teams to bid on players because they were too cheap.

Hoffa doing FA profiles I don't really have too much an issue with because I don't see it any different then any of us commenting on trades and who we like and who we don't like. I think activity is good for the league because we also do complain about GM's that never show up unless they are bat signaled and don't really participate in the game.

If during the free agent period hoffa is asking teams to bid on players I will 100% say that is BS and should not be allowed. I feel a FA profile is innocent and is his opinion just like me asking Melo to do a mock draft preview is innocent and opinion. But if someone during the draft says I can't believe this guy is slipping that I feel is where I would draw the line. Like no offense to someone doing a mock draft but that isn't going to change my opinion on what to do. At all and I would expect that to be the same across the entire league.

I agree with some of what you have stated, a profile is just my opinion, but wouldnt me stating a player is too cheap just be my opinion as well?

It would be your opinion but it would also parrell to your benefit. Lets say you were bidding on another player and needed another player to raise the value of someone else so they couldn't bid on your player. I see that as acting in bad faith.

FA profiles before FA start don't effect bidding IMO. You purposely calling out a specific player to get bid on (could be intepreted as your opinion as well as bad faith to get other players for cheaper). That is where I draw the line that its not JUST your opinion anymore.

Half the time I say a player is too cheap is usually for someone to beat my top bid on the player i said is too cheap...

[DOT]

Here is where I stand:

Hoffa during the FA period was garbage...asking other teams to bid on players because they were too cheap.

Hoffa doing FA profiles I don't really have too much an issue with because I don't see it any different then any of us commenting on trades and who we like and who we don't like. I think activity is good for the league because we also do complain about GM's that never show up unless they are bat signaled and don't really participate in the game.

If during the free agent period hoffa is asking teams to bid on players I will 100% say that is BS and should not be allowed. I feel a FA profile is innocent and is his opinion just like me asking Melo to do a mock draft preview is innocent and opinion. But if someone during the draft says I can't believe this guy is slipping that I feel is where I would draw the line. Like no offense to someone doing a mock draft but that isn't going to change my opinion on what to do. At all and I would expect that to be the same across the entire league.

I don't really have a problem with him doing profiles if he really wants to, anyone who listens to him on those should know they're clearly biased

My problem is that his only goal is to overbid for free agents to force teams to spend more than they would otherwise on them. It would be different if he had a couple guys he really wants and is willing to knowingly overpay them to get them on his team, but he's only making offers to drive prices up on guys he has no interest in signing, which is not acting in good faith

It doesn't affect me, cause I don't sign free agents at all, I just find it annoying cause it's indicative of his whole demeanor.

[mpharris36]

I agree with some of what you have stated, a profile is just my opinion, but wouldnt me stating a player is too cheap just be my opinion as well?

It would be your opinion but it would also parrell to your benefit. Lets say you were bidding on another player and needed another player to raise the value of someone else so they couldn't bid on your player. I see that as acting in bad faith.

FA profiles before FA start don't effect bidding IMO. You purposely calling out a specific player to get bid on (could be intepreted as your opinion as well as bad faith to get other players for cheaper). That is where I draw the line that its not JUST your opinion anymore.

Half the time I say a player is too cheap is usually for someone to beat my top bid on the player i said is too cheap...

well like I said before if that is your bid strategy then you have to live with the results. I don't condone that. Once FA or the Draft start people should only be commenting on who has signed not who should be signed and for how much.

[mpharris36]

Here is where I stand:

Hoffa during the FA period was garbage...asking other teams to bid on players because they were too cheap.

Hoffa doing FA profiles I don't really have too much an issue with because I don't see it any different then any of us commenting on trades and who we like and who we don't like. I think activity is good for the league because we also do complain about GM's that never show up unless they are bat signaled and don't really participate in the game.

If during the free agent period hoffa is asking teams to bid on players I will 100% say that is BS and should not be allowed. I feel a FA profile is innocent and is his opinion just like me asking Melo to do a mock draft preview is innocent and opinion. But if someone during the draft says I can't believe this guy is slipping that I feel is where I would draw the line. Like no offense to someone doing a mock draft but that isn't going to change my opinion on what to do. At all and I would expect that to be the same across the entire league.

I don't really have a problem with him doing profiles if he really wants to, anyone who listens to him on those should know they're clearly biased

My problem is that his only goal is to overbid for free agents to force teams to spend more than they would otherwise on them. It would be different if he had a couple guys he really wants and is willing to knowingly overpay them to get them on his team, but he's only making offers to drive prices up on guys he has no interest in signing, which is not acting in good faith

It doesn't affect me, cause I don't sign free agents at all, I just find it annoying cause it's indicative of his whole demeanor.

Agreed but the only way to stop him is to let him get stuck overbidding on players he doesn't want. Obviously if you really want that specific player that is something you have to deal with. But eventually that will bite him in the ass.

[mpharris36]

Here is where I stand:

Hoffa during the FA period was garbage...asking other teams to bid on players because they were too cheap.

Hoffa doing FA profiles I don't really have too much an issue with because I don't see it any different then any of us commenting on trades and who we like and who we don't like. I think activity is good for the league because we also do complain about GM's that never show up unless they are bat signaled and don't really participate in the game.

If during the free agent period hoffa is asking teams to bid on players I will 100% say that is BS and should not be allowed. I feel a FA profile is innocent and is his opinion just like me asking Melo to do a mock draft preview is innocent and opinion. But if someone during the draft says I can't believe this guy is slipping that I feel is where I would draw the line.

I keep seeing words like "harmless" and "innocent" being used. Yet Hoffa has stated on various occasions what his intentions are with those player profiles, and the upcoming team profiles. And he has openly admitted to operating in bad faith with them.

That is totally different then Melo doing a mock draft. Melo was not giving teams strategic outlooks. He was not bolding text and highlighting what bid processes would likely be successful.

Intentions matter. Bad faith cannot be construed as harmless or innocent.

As for the shenanigans he pulls that NewEra has mentioned where he names players, the time their winning bid is closing, and publicizes the current high bid in salary amount and contract years that bish PM's him. Well he has done that two years in a row now, with zero consecussions or reperquences.

His whole operation is bush league. I'm not turning a blind eye, due to it being a long offseason and the fact that he is active. You can be entertaining and active while operating in good faith, and in the best interest of the league.

I agree that active members can operate in bad faith as well. I don't hold activity at a higher standard then being a good outstanding member of the league. I guess I don't believe all the FA profiles are to inherently overbid on players. Because I have agreed with some of the profiles (as an outsider not involved in FA). If there was a FA profile I found ridiculous I called him out for it and I'm sure he has his bias for FA.

I can draw the line between a FA profile. And during the bidding period him asking other teams to bid on a specific player. I see one is bad faith of the league and one just personal opinionated bias. You might not like both but one IMO negatively impacts the league the other might be annoying if he is talking about your FA but like I said if the shenangans are going on during FA I'm sure bish will step in.

[bishnykfan]

Before I give my opinion on what bbh has done this offseason I want to introduce Strick as the new GM of the Minnesota Timberwolves. Strick has been a member of the forum for the past 5 years and has over 3000 posts. He expressed an interest in Build a Franchise this summer during the beginning of our Bubble Tourney and mentioned that he would be interested in joining us if a team were to open up. I spoke with a few of our mods who unanimously thought that Strick would be a good addition to the league and I messaged him before I went away this past weekend. After speaking with him a few times back and forth I feel confident that Strick will be a valuable member to BaF.

I also got an inquiry from Wingo regarding the open team but it wasn't until after I had already offered the team to Strick. I have also spoken with Wingo the last few nights and he is happy to be put on the waiting list and will be the next man up if and when another GM drops out.

Good luck to Strick taking over the Minnesota TImberwolves!

[2010]

Here is where I stand:

Hoffa during the FA period was garbage...asking other teams to bid on players because they were too cheap.

Hoffa doing FA profiles I don't really have too much an issue with because I don't see it any different then any of us commenting on trades and who we like and who we don't like. I think activity is good for the league because we also do complain about GM's that never show up unless they are bat signaled and don't really participate in the game.

If during the free agent period hoffa is asking teams to bid on players I will 100% say that is BS and should not be allowed. I feel a FA profile is innocent and is his opinion just like me asking Melo to do a mock draft preview is innocent and opinion. But if someone during the draft says I can't believe this guy is slipping that I feel is where I would draw the line.

I keep seeing words like "harmless" and "innocent" being used. Yet Hoffa has stated on various occasions what his intentions are with those player profiles, and the upcoming team profiles. And he has openly admitted to operating in bad faith with them.

That is totally different then Melo doing a mock draft. Melo was not giving teams strategic outlooks. He was not bolding text and highlighting what bid processes would likely be successful.

Intentions matter. Bad faith cannot be construed as harmless or innocent.

As for the shenanigans he pulls that NewEra has mentioned where he names players, the time their winning bid is closing, and publicizes the current high bid in salary amount and contract years that bish PM's him. Well he has done that two years in a row now, with zero consecussions or reperquences.

His whole operation is bush league. I'm not turning a blind eye, due to it being a long offseason and the fact that he is active. You can be entertaining and active while operating in good faith, and in the best interest of the league.

I agree that active members can operate in bad faith as well. I don't hold activity at a higher standard then being a good outstanding member of the league. I guess I don't believe all the FA profiles are to inherently overbid on players. Because I have agreed with some of the profiles (as an outsider not involved in FA). If there was a FA profile I found ridiculous I called him out for it and I'm sure he has his bias for FA.

I can draw the line between a FA profile. And during the bidding period him asking other teams to bid on a specific player. I see one is bad faith of the league and one just personal opinionated bias. You might not like both but one IMO negatively impacts the league the other might be annoying if he is talking about your FA but like I said if the shenangans are going on during FA I'm sure bish will step in.

As I mentioned in the post you quoted. It's happened during two consecutive free agency periods with zero consecussions or reperquences. Hoffa is like a dog in need of training who has too long a leash. He will keep up the bush league b.s. as long as it's allowed.

[bringbackhoffa]

Here is where I stand:

Hoffa during the FA period was garbage...asking other teams to bid on players because they were too cheap.

Hoffa doing FA profiles I don't really have too much an issue with because I don't see it any different then any of us commenting on trades and who we like and who we don't like. I think activity is good for the league because we also do complain about GM's that never show up unless they are bat signaled and don't really participate in the game.

If during the free agent period hoffa is asking teams to bid on players I will 100% say that is BS and should not be allowed. I feel a FA profile is innocent and is his opinion just like me asking Melo to do a mock draft preview is innocent and opinion. But if someone during the draft says I can't believe this guy is slipping that I feel is where I would draw the line.

I keep seeing words like "harmless" and "innocent" being used. Yet Hoffa has stated on various occasions what his intentions are with those player profiles, and the upcoming team profiles. And he has openly admitted to operating in bad faith with them.

That is totally different then Melo doing a mock draft. Melo was not giving teams strategic outlooks. He was not bolding text and highlighting what bid processes would likely be successful.

Intentions matter. Bad faith cannot be construed as harmless or innocent.

As for the shenanigans he pulls that NewEra has mentioned where he names players, the time their winning bid is closing, and publicizes the current high bid in salary amount and contract years that bish PM's him. Well he has done that two years in a row now, with zero consecussions or reperquences.

His whole operation is bush league. I'm not turning a blind eye, due to it being a long offseason and the fact that he is active. You can be entertaining and active while operating in good faith, and in the best interest of the league.

I agree that active members can operate in bad faith as well. I don't hold activity at a higher standard then being a good outstanding member of the league. I guess I don't believe all the FA profiles are to inherently overbid on players. Because I have agreed with some of the profiles (as an outsider not involved in FA). If there was a FA profile I found ridiculous I called him out for it and I'm sure he has his bias for FA.

I can draw the line between a FA profile. And during the bidding period him asking other teams to bid on a specific player. I see one is bad faith of the league and one just personal opinionated bias. You might not like both but one IMO negatively impacts the league the other might be annoying if he is talking about your FA but like I said if the shenangans are going on during FA I'm sure bish will step in.

At the end of the day I'm not forcing anyone to bid on a player...you guys really are giving me too much credit ..

[mpharris36]

I keep seeing words like "harmless" and "innocent" being used. Yet Hoffa has stated on various occasions what his intentions are with those player profiles, and the upcoming team profiles. And he has openly admitted to operating in bad faith with them.

That is totally different then Melo doing a mock draft. Melo was not giving teams strategic outlooks. He was not bolding text and highlighting what bid processes would likely be successful.

Intentions matter. Bad faith cannot be construed as harmless or innocent.

As for the shenanigans he pulls that NewEra has mentioned where he names players, the time their winning bid is closing, and publicizes the current high bid in salary amount and contract years that bish PM's him. Well he has done that two years in a row now, with zero consecussions or reperquences.

His whole operation is bush league. I'm not turning a blind eye, due to it being a long offseason and the fact that he is active. You can be entertaining and active while operating in good faith, and in the best interest of the league.

I agree that active members can operate in bad faith as well. I don't hold activity at a higher standard then being a good outstanding member of the league. I guess I don't believe all the FA profiles are to inherently overbid on players. Because I have agreed with some of the profiles (as an outsider not involved in FA). If there was a FA profile I found ridiculous I called him out for it and I'm sure he has his bias for FA.

I can draw the line between a FA profile. And during the bidding period him asking other teams to bid on a specific player. I see one is bad faith of the league and one just personal opinionated bias. You might not like both but one IMO negatively impacts the league the other might be annoying if he is talking about your FA but like I said if the shenangans are going on during FA I'm sure bish will step in.

As I mentioned in the post you quoted. It's happened during two consecutive free agency periods with zero consecussions or reperquences. Hoffa is like a dog in need of training who has too long a leash.

I think that is completly fair. I am willing to support a rule that keeps negotiations and draft commentary private until bish announces a pick or winner of the bidding process.

I don't want all 30 gm's to stay quiet all the time because I enjoy commentating on trades and have been accused of in the past being someone that potentially could change someone mind on a trade even after its completed.

I think the actions during the actual FA bidding period are unacceptable and would be for a rule that prohibits that with maybe loss of draft compensation or something? 100% for proposing a rule that prevents GM's from operating in bad faith during FA/Draft periods.