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[midranger]

Giannis was hurt in the playoffs this year. Would not bang.

[coolhandluke121]

Yup. Bledsoe being healthy for the playoffs has been amazing!

In case you missed it people have been advocating for trading Khris to get Paul. Reading threads and not putting words in people's mouths or making strawmen is a good practice and I highly recommend adopting it.

[coolhandluke121]

Giannis was hurt in the playoffs this year. Would not bang.

Get a grip man, the idea that this is an appropriate rational response to people being worried about Paul's health for the playoffs is absolutely shameful.

[coolhandluke121]

The irony of Kohl's ineptitude being probably the most important theme on this board for 10 years and then nearly half this board turning into him less than 5 years later is worthy of a Greek tragi-comedy.

[midranger]

Khris was healthy until his hamstring tore off the bone.

Bled was healthy until he had “chronic” knee issues, and then he didn’t.

Giannis was healthy until he had chronic knee issues AND ankle problems.

Injuries happen. Many times they’re random events. Worrying about random events is a lousy way to go about life.

[midranger]

Yup. Bledsoe being healthy for the playoffs has been amazing!

In case you missed it people have been advocating for trading Khris to get Paul. Reading threads and not putting words in people's mouths or making strawmen is a good practice and I highly recommend adopting it.

Or just be hurt in the playoffs, like he usually is.

Look at the injury history of Bledsoe, Brook, and Khris the last 3 years. The Bucks have a better chance of winning a title by standing pat and using the MLE than by trading for Paul for that reason alone.

[Prez]

Khris was healthy until his hamstring tore off the bone.

Bled was healthy until he had “chronic” knee issues, and then he didn’t.

Giannis was healthy until he had chronic knee issues AND ankle problems.

Injuries happen. Many times they’re random events. Worrying about random events is a lousy way to go about life.

This isn't a random injury and it's not a dude in his 20s like Giannis, Khris, Bled. This season is the first in 4 years that he hasn't missed a quarter of the regular season, of his last 6 playoff runs he's gotten hurt in half of them, and he's going to be 36 next season. I'm firmly in the trade for CP3 boat but the way we're so casually dismissing the injury/age related question marks with him is beyond puzzling.

[coolhandluke121]

Yup. Bledsoe being healthy for the playoffs has been amazing!

In case you missed it people have been advocating for trading Khris to get Paul. Reading threads and not putting words in people's mouths or making strawmen is a good practice and I highly recommend adopting it.

Or just be hurt in the playoffs, like he usually is.

Look at the injury history of Bledsoe, Brook, and Khris the last 3 years. The Bucks have a better chance of winning a title by standing pat and using the MLE than by trading for Paul for that reason alone.

There's a dramatic difference in the probability or injury or age related decline between those 3 guys and Paul and you're being deliberately obtuse is you refuse to acknowledge it. This Khris for CP3 stuff is like some kind of example of an omnipotent being (or cunning evil one) teaching people who harshly criticized the Allen for Payton deal a lesson on their own fallibility.

[coolhandluke121]

Khris was healthy until his hamstring tore off the bone.

Bled was healthy until he had “chronic” knee issues, and then he didn’t.

Giannis was healthy until he had chronic knee issues AND ankle problems.

Injuries happen. Many times they’re random events. Worrying about random events is a lousy way to go about life.

This isn't a random injury and it's not a dude in his 20s like Giannis, Khris, Bled. This season is the first in 4 years that he hasn't missed a quarter of the regular season, of his last 6 playoff runs he's gotten hurt in half of them, and he's going to be 36 next season. I'm firmly in the trade for CP3 boat but the way we're so casually dismissing the injury/age related question marks with him is beyond puzzling.

I think Bledsoe is 30 and Brook is 32, but the point remains that they've generally been much healthier than Paul and considering how much age is a risk factor, are more likely to be healthy next year. It's obviously not foolproof but these decisions need to be based on playing odds.

I have not seen a Paul trade idea that I would not hate, though I'm sure one exists in some combination with at least one other team.

[blazza18]

A guy who just turned 29 and whose game is mostly based on good size at his position and shooting is more likely to decline than a 35-year-old who was recently healthy for the entire playoffs (one series) for maybe the third time in 6 seasons after missing at least 20 games in each of the three previous seasons?

I'm not arguing who will decline quicker dude. I'm basically trusting Paul is a better fit and player for the remaining 2 years of his contract than what Middleton would be over his 4. It may not be the correct decision and be viewed as short sighted, I just think Paul would make our ceiling higher than Midds.

And just to clarify again, I'd take both if we could get that done. Don't think Presti wants anything on our roster though.

If the cupboard is empty with Khris and Giannis,

We're talking about an empty cupboard without Giannis not with.

[midranger]

In case you missed it people have been advocating for trading Khris to get Paul. Reading threads and not putting words in people's mouths or making strawmen is a good practice and I highly recommend adopting it.

Or just be hurt in the playoffs, like he usually is.

Look at the injury history of Bledsoe, Brook, and Khris the last 3 years. The Bucks have a better chance of winning a title by standing pat and using the MLE than by trading for Paul for that reason alone.

There's a dramatic difference in the probability or injury or age related decline between those 3 guys and Paul and you're being deliberately obtuse is you refuse to acknowledge it. This Khris for CP3 stuff is like some kind of example of an omnipotent being (or cunning evil one) teaching people who harshly criticized the Allen for Payton deal a lesson on their own fallibility.

You asked me to “look at the injury history of Bledsoe” compared to Paul who “is usually hurt during the playoffs”. Literally no obtuseness. I did exactly what you requested. Hate to wish Ill on anyone, but we’d have better off if....

[coolhandluke121]

A guy who just turned 29 and whose game is mostly based on good size at his position and shooting is more likely to decline than a 35-year-old who was recently healthy for the entire playoffs (one series) for maybe the third time in 6 seasons after missing at least 20 games in each of the three previous seasons?

I'm not arguing who will decline quicker dude. I'm basically trusting Paul is a better fit and player for the remaining 2 years of his contract than what Middleton would be over his 4. It may not be the correct decision and be viewed as short sighted, I just think Paul would make our ceiling higher than Midds.

And just to clarify again, I'd take both if we could get that done. Don't think Presti wants anything on our roster though.

If the cupboard is empty with Khris and Giannis,

We're talking about an empty cupboard without Giannis not with.

Nothing will ever convince me that trading Khris for Paul doesn't make Giannis significantly more likely to bail out unless Giannis says it himself in basically those exact words. The cupboard is bare without Giannis anyway. If the premise is trading Khris for Paul for a last gasp shot at a title, that is only remotely acceptable if Giannis has already told you that he's basically 100% planning to leave.

The white buffalo CP3 trade that works for me somehow involves using Khris to match salaries and trading Bledsoe as well and getting back CP3 with a really good, young wing, or maybe two good young players. I don't know who that might be though. It's not Lavine. I'm not really a Lavine hater but I want a pre-breakout Oladipo type candidate or something. And I'm not sure how OKC takes on matching salary in a deal like that because they wouldn't seem like a team that wants Khris or Bledsoe.

[coolhandluke121]

You asked me to “look at the injury history of Bledsoe” compared to Paul who “is usually hurt during the playoffs”. Literally no obtuseness. I did exactly what you requested. Hate to wish Ill on anyone, but we’d have better off if....

Bledsoe has been injured in 3 of his last 6 trips to the playoffs and missed at least 20 games in 3 of the last 4 seasons?

And for the last gd time, this is about Bledsoe, Brook, AND Khris, all 3 of whom have been discussed in some variation of terrible trade ideas for CP3. This isn't about whether Bledsoe + filler would be a bad idea for CP3, which is what you seem to be making it. The argument is about why trading Khris for CP3 in principal is terrible idea. The fact that Bledsoe and Brook have consistently been much healthier than CP3 for the last 4 years and are significantly younger is just to illustrate the injury risk of CP3 by comparison to some guys that a lot of people here want to get rid of in desperation moves out of spite. Stop acting like I'd rather have Bledsoe. I just have no interest in the injury/age risk of CP3.

[ShootingtheJ]

Team execs think OKC will ask for a player on his rookie contract and a 1st. Yet some Bucks fans think that means the only way to get him is give up a multi time all-star in his prime.

I have yet to see someone post a worthwhile offer from another team that makes more sense to get Paul than the ones we've posted.

[paulpressey25]

Team execs think OKC will ask for a player on his rookie contract and a 1st. Yet some Bucks fans think that means the only way to get him is give up a multi time all-star in his prime.

I have yet to see someone post a worthwhile offer from another team that makes more sense to get Paul than the ones we've posted.

But OKC doesn’t have to do anything. They’ve got tons of picks, and Paul proved this year he can still move the needle, while depreciating off another year of that massive contract.

For them to make a deal now they need least two of the three below IMO.

Complete salary relief for his final contract year
A top 5-10 at worst draft pick (they’ve got too many draft picks already)
A really good young player (a lot better than Donte)

[midranger]

Team execs think OKC will ask for a player on his rookie contract and a 1st. Yet some Bucks fans think that means the only way to get him is give up a multi time all-star in his prime.

I have yet to see someone post a worthwhile offer from another team that makes more sense to get Paul than the ones we've posted.

But OKC doesn’t have to do anything. They’ve got tons of picks, and Paul proved this year he can still move the needle, while depreciating off another year of that massive contract.

For them to make a deal now they need least two of the three below IMO.

Complete salary relief for his final contract year
A top 5-10 at worst draft pick (they’ve got too many draft picks already)
A really good young player (a lot better than Donte)

I’m not sure why this is difficult to understand.

You don’t trade 2nd team all nba players (even at 35) with two years left in their deal for minimal salary relief with bull **** players and the 24th pick in a **** draft.

Sorry to pop the bubble.

[blazza18]

Team execs think OKC will ask for a player on his rookie contract and a 1st. Yet some Bucks fans think that means the only way to get him is give up a multi time all-star in his prime.

I have yet to see someone post a worthwhile offer from another team that makes more sense to get Paul than the ones we've posted.

This is not the case at all man

I'm trying to view a Bucks/OKC trade in the lens of a GM not wanting our spare parts and bad assets for a really good player. I mention Khris because he's maybe our best asset "available" to get better and the salary matches easier.

I am in intrigued with the idea of Horst finding a 3rd team so we don't use Midds and to involve Bled instead but

[ShootingtheJ]

Team execs think OKC will ask for a player on his rookie contract and a 1st. Yet some Bucks fans think that means the only way to get him is give up a multi time all-star in his prime.

I have yet to see someone post a worthwhile offer from another team that makes more sense to get Paul than the ones we've posted.

But OKC doesn’t have to do anything. They’ve got tons of picks, and Paul proved this year he can still move the needle, while depreciating off another year of that massive contract.

For them to make a deal now they need least two of the three below IMO.

Complete salary relief for his final contract year
A top 5-10 at worst draft pick (they’ve got too many draft picks already)
A really good young player (a lot better than Donte)

I’m not sure why this is difficult to understand.

You don’t trade 2nd team all nba players (even at 35) with two years left in their deal for minimal salary relief with bull **** players and the 24th pick in a **** draft.

Sorry to pop the bubble.

I don't know what's so difficult to understand, minimum salary relief? My proposed deals included OKC being a $42 million TPE!

Again, show me who's offering more.

[ShootingtheJ]

Team execs think OKC will ask for a player on his rookie contract and a 1st. Yet some Bucks fans think that means the only way to get him is give up a multi time all-star in his prime.

I have yet to see someone post a worthwhile offer from another team that makes more sense to get Paul than the ones we've posted.

But OKC doesn’t have to do anything. They’ve got tons of picks, and Paul proved this year he can still move the needle, while depreciating off another year of that massive contract.

For them to make a deal now they need least two of the three below IMO.

Complete salary relief for his final contract year
A top 5-10 at worst draft pick (they’ve got too many draft picks already)
A really good young player (a lot better than Donte)

OKC has just a late 1st and late 2nd in this year's draft. Doesn't seem like enough to start a rebuild.

[LuessiT]

Team execs think OKC will ask for a player on his rookie contract and a 1st. Yet some Bucks fans think that means the only way to get him is give up a multi time all-star in his prime.

I have yet to see someone post a worthwhile offer from another team that makes more sense to get Paul than the ones we've posted.

But OKC doesn’t have to do anything. They’ve got tons of picks, and Paul proved this year he can still move the needle, while depreciating off another year of that massive contract.

For them to make a deal now they need least two of the three below IMO.

Complete salary relief for his final contract year
A top 5-10 at worst draft pick (they’ve got too many draft picks already)
A really good young player (a lot better than Donte)

Imo you're way off. CP3 will go for a package that probably has slightly better than neutral value. And that's probably a gift.