Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - OFF SEASON EDITION

[Ruzious]

I think it's bizarre people are so fixated on Paul at this point in his career. Giannis is young. He's going to be looking long-term as well as short-term. I just don't see Giannis being particularly impressed if Paul turns out to be the main target of this offseason.

[paulpressey25]

Imo you're way off. CP3 will go for a package that probably has slightly better than neutral value. And that's probably a gift.

Would that be defined as Donte plus salary relief?

Personally I don’t see him going for that low for these reasons:

-Unless OKC wants to tank, Paul stabilizes them at a minimum at .500. OKC may decide they want a competitive team for local broadcast rights, if no local gate next season.

-There will be at least two desperate suitors in the Bucks and Philly (both in the East, unless they redo the playoff format)

-OKC would have to feel like they need massive salary relief this year, due to pandemic and being a small market. Not sure we can do that.

I’m all for the Bucks fleecing OKC, but OKC gained a ton of leverage on that asset over the past twelve months, contrary to where they sat 15-months ago.

[Coach Carter]

I think it's bizarre people are so fixated on Paul at this point in his career. Giannis is young. He's going to be looking long-term as well as short-term. I just don't see Giannis being particularly impressed if Paul turns out to be the main target of this offseason.

Giannis is not looking long term, he wants to win or at least compete now. We're behind Miami, Boston and Raptors. This will have to change to keep Giannis and it starts now with this off season. Giannis hasn't played with someone like Paul. I would at least like to see some adjustment next time playoffs come around and Paul allows you to do that.

[Ruzious]

I think it's bizarre people are so fixated on Paul at this point in his career. Giannis is young. He's going to be looking long-term as well as short-term. I just don't see Giannis being particularly impressed if Paul turns out to be the main target of this offseason.

Giannis is not looking long term, he wants to win or at least compete now. We're behind Miami, Boston and Raptors. This will have to change to keep Giannis and it starts now with this off season. Giannis hasn't played with someone like Paul. I would at least like to see some adjustment next time playoffs come around and Paul allows you to do that.

He'd be an idiot if he's not looking both short-term and long-term. I don't think he's an idiot.

It's funny how people were prematurely writing off Paul during the 18/19 season, and it's probably those same people that "forgot" they did that and now think he's the key to getting Giannis to stay.

[DrWood]

I get the appeal of a guy like Buddy Hield but it really can't be understated how awful of a defender he's been dating back to his college years. Throw in that he's an incredibly one-dimensional offensive player (allergic to the FT line and a poor to average mid-range shooter), and it's probably better and just flat out cheaper to go after a guy like Joe Harris.

I think he could be a much better defender and is partly a product of a terrible system in Sacto. He is long and active.

[Diggr14]

I think the Bucks would be committing franchise suicide if they don't trade Giannis if he refuses the supermax this offseason. The likelihood of him coming back after that is next to zero.


What you do is, trade him to a team with assets AND can clear his contract as well as Khris Middleton's contract all at once.


That team is the...
Celtics

Giannis, Middleton, Bledsoe for Smart, Hayward, Walker, 3 1sts 2020, 1st 2024, 1st 2026, Nets 2nd round pick 2020, Bos 2nd 2021-22.


This is only if he doesnt sign this offseason. If he says no, it's time to read the tea leaves and reboot the franchise.

[theFireBlanket]

Giannis
Brown
Khris
Tatum
Bledsoe

We just hand Boston a dynasty if Giannis doesn't supermax this year?

That's a losers' mentality. Create a winning roster for the season, get a championship & let him make his decision.

[ShootingtheJ]

Imo you're way off. CP3 will go for a package that probably has slightly better than neutral value. And that's probably a gift.

Would that be defined as Donte plus salary relief?

Personally I don’t see him going for that low for these reasons:

-Unless OKC wants to tank, Paul stabilizes them at a minimum at .500. OKC may decide they want a competitive team for local broadcast rights, if no local gate next season.

-There will be at least two desperate suitors in the Bucks and Philly (both in the East, unless they redo the playoff format)

-OKC would have to feel like they need massive salary relief this year, due to pandemic and being a small market. Not sure we can do that.

I’m all for the Bucks fleecing OKC, but OKC gained a ton of leverage on that asset over the past twelve months, contrary to where they sat 15-months ago.

OKC wants to tank. OKC won't want Horfords awful contract. We can totally put together a deal that gives OKC massive salary relief, even though I doubt they use it to actually cut salary. They'll use it to take on bad contacts for more picks.

[ShootingtheJ]

Bucks get: Paul, #27 via NY
Knicks get: Bledsoe, Rolo
OKC get: Kevin Knox, Ersan, DJ Wilson (all fit into soon to expiring TPEs), #24, 2- future Indy 2nd rounders via Bucks, OKC creats $42 million TPE

NY gets Bledsoe cheap, Bucks stay in 1st round of draft, which is important because you can sign 1st rounders cap except. OKC gets best offer they're going to get, gives them flexibility to make more deals.

[pifhluk23]

Bucks get: Paul, #27 via NY
Knicks get: Bledsoe, Rolo
OKC get: Kevin Knox, Ersan, DJ Wilson (all fit into soon to expiring TPEs), #24, 2- future Indy 2nd rounders via Bucks, OKC creats $42 million TPE

NY gets Bledsoe cheap, Bucks stay in 1st round of draft, which is important because you can sign 1st rounders cap except. OKC gets best offer they're going to get, gives them flexibility to make more deals.

I know the Knicks are dumb but Bledsoe and Rolo? Why would they give up anything to acquire those 2...

[ShootingtheJ]

Bucks get: Paul, #27 via NY
Knicks get: Bledsoe, Rolo
OKC get: Kevin Knox, Ersan, DJ Wilson (all fit into soon to expiring TPEs), #24, 2- future Indy 2nd rounders via Bucks, OKC creats $42 million TPE

NY gets Bledsoe cheap, Bucks stay in 1st round of draft, which is important because you can sign 1st rounders cap except. OKC gets best offer they're going to get, gives them flexibility to make more deals.

I know the Knicks are dumb but Bledsoe and Rolo? Why would they give up anything to acquire those 2...

The Knicks are looking at all the veteran PGs available this offseason. Bledsoe is the best one they can get, as I doubt Van Vleet would sign there. In this deal, they get Bledsoe at a bargain price.

[midranger]

Bucks get: Paul, #27 via NY
Knicks get: Bledsoe, Rolo
OKC get: Kevin Knox, Ersan, DJ Wilson (all fit into soon to expiring TPEs), #24, 2- future Indy 2nd rounders via Bucks, OKC creats $42 million TPE

NY gets Bledsoe cheap, Bucks stay in 1st round of draft, which is important because you can sign 1st rounders cap except. OKC gets best offer they're going to get, gives them flexibility to make more deals.

I know the Knicks are dumb but Bledsoe and Rolo? Why would they give up anything to acquire those 2...

Come on.... The Knicks are only giving up a little more to get Eric Bledsoe than we are to get Chris Paul. It’s a totally believable trade.

Please don’t ask the obvious follow up question that if they want a vet PG and are willing to give up what OKC wants for Paul, why not just take Paul?

[Baddy Chuck]

Bucks get: Paul, #27 via NY
Knicks get: Bledsoe, Rolo
OKC get: Kevin Knox, Ersan, DJ Wilson (all fit into soon to expiring TPEs), #24, 2- future Indy 2nd rounders via Bucks, OKC creats $42 million TPE

NY gets Bledsoe cheap, Bucks stay in 1st round of draft, which is important because you can sign 1st rounders cap except. OKC gets best offer they're going to get, gives them flexibility to make more deals.

I know the Knicks are dumb but Bledsoe and Rolo? Why would they give up anything to acquire those 2...

The Knicks are looking at all the veteran PGs available this offseason. Bledsoe is the best one they can get, as I doubt Van Vleet would sign there. In this deal, they get Bledsoe at a bargain price.

Judging from this trade wouldn't the best they could get be Chris Paul?

[midranger]

I know the Knicks are dumb but Bledsoe and Rolo? Why would they give up anything to acquire those 2...

The Knicks are looking at all the veteran PGs available this offseason. Bledsoe is the best one they can get, as I doubt Van Vleet would sign there. In this deal, they get Bledsoe at a bargain price.

Judging from this trade wouldn't the best they could get be Chris Paul?

Because they are not a good team. Chris Paul May not be happy. Eric Bledsoe has never forced his way off a bad team [feigns short term memory loss].

[Baddy Chuck]

Honestly though I do think Chris Paul gets traded and the package he brings in is probably a lot less then the "second team all-nba" tag would dictate. Had a nice year for OKC and maybe most importantly stayed healthy which hasn't been a thing he's been able to do for a while now but I would probably say a nice little 5 month break probably could've been a big reason for that. OKC is going to lose a big piece in Gallinari, they let their coach go, SGA is primed to take over the lead guard role and they can easily move on from Paul right now after the season he had. To me it seems like they're in a prime spot to be highly motivated to make a move sooner than later with a 35 year old, oft injured player. Looking around the league I do think the Bucks will be able to put together a pretty competitive offer for Paul simply by having non-egregious fillers and some picks to move around and I'd be surprised if an offer was on the table that blew something like that away. Also, and maybe it's just wishful thinking, but I think Paul would want to go to a contender and for playing nice in OKC Presti might do him a solid.

[StickeeFingaz]

Can teams start making trades right now?

[emunney]

Imo you're way off. CP3 will go for a package that probably has slightly better than neutral value. And that's probably a gift.

Would that be defined as Donte plus salary relief?

Personally I don’t see him going for that low for these reasons:

-Unless OKC wants to tank, Paul stabilizes them at a minimum at .500. OKC may decide they want a competitive team for local broadcast rights, if no local gate next season.

-There will be at least two desperate suitors in the Bucks and Philly (both in the East, unless they redo the playoff format)

-OKC would have to feel like they need massive salary relief this year, due to pandemic and being a small market. Not sure we can do that.

I’m all for the Bucks fleecing OKC, but OKC gained a ton of leverage on that asset over the past twelve months, contrary to where they sat 15-months ago.

6ers are desperate. We shouldn't be desperate. We should be continuing to build.

Recall the Spurs were under a lot of pressure to trade for Jason Kidd in 02-03 and include a 2nd year Tony Parker in the deal, because their window was supposedly closing coming off a 4-1 second round loss to a lower seed (after a 58 win season) with the Admiral nearing the end of his career. They of course didn't and won the title that year and 3 of the next 5.

The two years they didn't win? Second round exits.

Let's not be the knee-jerk team please.

[emunney]

Bucks get: Paul, #27 via NY
Knicks get: Bledsoe, Rolo
OKC get: Kevin Knox, Ersan, DJ Wilson (all fit into soon to expiring TPEs), #24, 2- future Indy 2nd rounders via Bucks, OKC creats $42 million TPE

NY gets Bledsoe cheap, Bucks stay in 1st round of draft, which is important because you can sign 1st rounders cap except. OKC gets best offer they're going to get, gives them flexibility to make more deals.

I know the Knicks are dumb but Bledsoe and Rolo? Why would they give up anything to acquire those 2...

Unless I'm missing something, the Knicks are giving up a late first rounder and a third year hard bust while Bledsoe has been all defense 2 years in a row and a starter on the winningest regular season team both of the last two seasons. This is a pittance to get him, it's certainly not more than we're giving up.

[ShootingtheJ]

The Knicks are looking at all the veteran PGs available this offseason. Bledsoe is the best one they can get, as I doubt Van Vleet would sign there. In this deal, they get Bledsoe at a bargain price.

Judging from this trade wouldn't the best they could get be Chris Paul?

Because they are not a good team. Chris Paul May not be happy. Eric Bledsoe has never forced his way off a bad team [feigns short term memory loss].

Well, there's also that $26 million difference per season in contract too.

[emunney]

The idea that KEVIN KNOX is some stud prospect at this point and not Bruno Caboclo lite is pure NYC propaganda.