OT Bears 2019/20 season

[2018C3]

Mitch and Foles are actually pretty similar if you compare them at the same age.

From 23-26 Foles put up 53 touchdowns to 27 interceptions, and had a completion rate of 62.25 and put up 8805 total yards in 39 games played.

From 23-26 Mitch put up 54 touchdowns to 32 interceptions, and had a completion rate or 62.15 and put up 9114 total yards in 44 games played.

Nick is the slightly better guy both at the same age and also now today with increased experience. I feel more confident with the ball in his hands, But Mitch Is not light years behind, and will probably follow down a similar statistical path as Foles while his career progresses. It is what it is.

[dougthonus]

Well, there was a zero percent chance I wanted to trade for LeVeon Bell, but now that he's a FA, I wouldn't mind bringing him in for a vet min deal.

[fleet]

Would seem to me that aside from drafting an ideal type of running back for this offense, Bell could be in the Kareem Hunt role easily. This may not be great news for Montgomery, but the NFL is a tough business.

[dougthonus]

Would seem to me that aside from drafting an ideal type of running back for this offense, Bell could be in the Kareem Hunt role easily. This may not be great news for Montgomery, but the NFL is a tough business.

Montgomery looks pretty awful to me. He makes a lot of bad decisions on cuts.

[ATRAIN53]

If he doesn't cost us a player/pick-
Roster spot should be there since Cohen is PUP-

This is not how Antiono Brown was acting when he was cut and looking for work, so I'm not labeling him toxic.

This guy just wants a home and an OL that can block.

At least he won't end up on the Packers since they have their guy.......
But the Lions or Vikings could grab him.
Belicheck loves these vagabond type guys too. He knows value when you can have LeVon Bell and Cam Newton for 3 million.
Guys who were big money players not long ago.....


I think he ends up in Tampa. Brady knows what this guy brings to the table.
One phone call from Tom is all it will take

[dougthonus]

If he doesn't cost us a player/pick-
Roster spot should be there since Cohen is PUP-

This is not how Antiono Brown was acting when he was cut and looking for work, so I'm not labeling him toxic.

This guy just wants a home and an OL that can block.

At least he won't end up on the Packers since they have their guy.......
But the Lions or Vikings could grab him.
Belicheck loves these vagabond type guys too. He knows value when you can have LeVon Bell and Cam Newton for 3 million.
Guys who were big money players not long ago.....


I think he ends up in Tampa. Brady knows what this guy brings to the table.
One phone call from Tom is all it will take

After a year and a half of looking awful, following a year of sitting out, why do you think he brings anything to the table? I'm game for giving him a chance, but it's been 2.5 years since he was a good back in the league. That's a long time in RB years. He's 28 now, and at the end of his prime years. Most RBs are fading between 28-30.

[fleet]

Would seem to me that aside from drafting an ideal type of running back for this offense, Bell could be in the Kareem Hunt role easily. This may not be great news for Montgomery, but the NFL is a tough business.

Montgomery looks pretty awful to me. He makes a lot of bad decisions on cuts.

Those cuts may have worked better in college against slower defense. He’s often not talented enough to defeat the first level at the point of attack and has to manufacture alternatives. Sometimes in that circumstance it seems he hangs around behind the line waiting for openings to exploit, but again, he doesn’t have the explosion to make it happen consistently. Yeah, there have been plays it looked like he had daylight, but cuts into a defender almost on purpose. I believe that was almost a feature for him in school, he plays off contact. Not much of a daylight runner.

[Susan]

If he doesn't cost us a player/pick-
Roster spot should be there since Cohen is PUP-

This is not how Antiono Brown was acting when he was cut and looking for work, so I'm not labeling him toxic.

This guy just wants a home and an OL that can block.

At least he won't end up on the Packers since they have their guy.......
But the Lions or Vikings could grab him.
Belicheck loves these vagabond type guys too. He knows value when you can have LeVon Bell and Cam Newton for 3 million.
Guys who were big money players not long ago.....


I think he ends up in Tampa. Brady knows what this guy brings to the table.
One phone call from Tom is all it will take

After a year and a half of looking awful, following a year of sitting out, why do you think he brings anything to the table? I'm game for giving him a chance, but it's been 2.5 years since he was a good back in the league. That's a long time in RB years. He's 28 now, and at the end of his prime years. Most RBs are fading between 28-30.

The Jets are terrible beyond belief. Bell has tred left on his tires and is one of the best pass catching backs in the NFL.

A Montgomery/Bell/Patteson backfield is about as an ideal backfield as you can get.

[dougthonus]

The Jets are terrible beyond belief. Bell has tred left on his tires and is one of the best pass catching backs in the NFL.

Sure, the Jets are bad, I agree. Maybe Bell has something left, maybe he doesn't. Maybe he just lost his edge when he sat out a season and just never got into as good of shape again. I don't know why anyone would sit here and posit they feel certain Bell is anything other than what he has shown on the Jets.

I'm all for taking a shot on him because he'll only cost the minimum, why not at that price, our RBs have been pretty awful and Cohen, whom would have filled Bell's role, is out for the season. It makes total sense to bring him in and see what he has, not arguing that at all and would try to accomplish it now, just skeptical about the results until I see them on the field.

A Montgomery/Bell/Patteson backfield is about as an ideal backfield as you can get.

It's a good combination of skills, but the total talent level doesn't seem real high unless Bell is actually just a stud, but hasn't shown it for the last year and a half.

[fleet]

The decision-maker is the question of if he is better than what we have now. Chances are, more than likely.

[patryk7754]

Bell has an offset guarantee which means we can sign for the minimum (800k I believe) and the Jets cover the rest of his contract. The only reason he isn't on the bears is because he chose a different team.

Teams that might pursue him and he might be interested in;
49ers
Patriots
Texans
Bills
Cardinals
Rams
Seahawks

[dougthonus]

Bell has an offset guarantee which means we can sign for the minimum (800k I believe) and the Jets cover the rest of his contract. The only reason he isn't on the bears is because he chose a different team.

Teams that might pursue him and he might be interested in;
49ers
Patriots
Texans
Bills
Cardinals
Rams
Seahawks

Bell can take his pick of the teams that want him and it will work out evenly financially. I hope the Bears sell him on coming here even if I'm skeptical. It's probably as good a shot as we get to an offensive shot in the arm this far into the season.

Things probably important to Bell:
Touches - This equates to money next year and is probably most important
Quality of offense - equates to how good he will look individually which leads to more money
Quality of team - all things being equal, I'm sure he'd rather win a ring or have a deep playoff run than not

Bears might be one of the few good teams that he could outright win the feature back role given the quality of our players, and we have an offense that if he played well on, could give him a lot of looks, because if successful, we'd love to run the ball and throw short passes all day long and control the clock.

On the downside, we don't have a lot of quality on offense where he will put up gaudy stats, and while we're probably a playoff team right now, we're not a favorite to go deep in the playoffs.

I don't know that we'll be the best option for Le'Veon, but we should be on the short list.

[micromonkey]

I second and third trying to get Bell.

Bears have good record and also need--he should get plenty of touches.
We need competition there--we only have gimmick backs outside of Monty--who I don't see as anything special.
He is for sure not Forte good--he doesn't have the vision/cutbacks or moves and he can't catch well at all. Heck I don't know if he's Jordan Howard good--which isn't saying much...

[IliketheBullsNBearstoo]

Easy to criticize any RB in this offense.

Do we need someone who has special skills to produce a running game? Yes. Unfortunately our oline can't block consistently and defenses still don't respect our pass offense. Bell has these special skills and we could probably use him but at the vet minimum.

I'm not a fan of putting big money into the running back position. I'd rather have a group of good RB's over a superstar rb and put that extra money into the line. That's why I like Montgomery, if he is given space he can get us the chunks we need. Unfortunately we don't have a good oline though. I think he would be a productive player behind a good oline. Could he be better? Sure. Could he have made better cuts or hit holes faster? Sure. He has to be better, no excuses. But thats my opinion and I could be wrong. Maybe we should just see what we have in Artavis Pierce for a drive or two.

Another problem we have is keeping the defense off balance. Many times they are running downhill right at the RB and a lot of that goes on our play calling and formations. I know I keep harping on this but it is an important strategy that I feel is being ignored through stretches of the game. Its almost like Nagy has this plan to run certain plays and he just goes with the plan regardless of the situation or the score. We might not have the most talented players but it is the coaches responsibility to put them in the best position for success and there is a lot of fail in this area. Everyone is to blame for the lack of production in this area.

[IliketheBullsNBearstoo]

And get Mitch in on some snaps! Run the option on 3rd and shorts. Let him feel like he's still part of the team. I think he can still be useful.

[patryk7754]

Bell has an offset guarantee which means we can sign for the minimum (800k I believe) and the Jets cover the rest of his contract. The only reason he isn't on the bears is because he chose a different team.

Teams that might pursue him and he might be interested in;
49ers
Patriots
Texans
Bills
Cardinals
Rams
Seahawks

Bell can take his pick of the teams that want him and it will work out evenly financially. I hope the Bears sell him on coming here even if I'm skeptical. It's probably as good a shot as we get to an offensive shot in the arm this far into the season.

Things probably important to Bell:
Touches - This equates to money next year and is probably most important
Quality of offense - equates to how good he will look individually which leads to more money
Quality of team - all things being equal, I'm sure he'd rather win a ring or have a deep playoff run than not

Bears might be one of the few good teams that he could outright win the feature back role given the quality of our players, and we have an offense that if he played well on, could give him a lot of looks, because if successful, we'd love to run the ball and throw short passes all day long and control the clock.

On the downside, we don't have a lot of quality on offense where he will put up gaudy stats, and while we're probably a playoff team right now, we're not a favorite to go deep in the playoffs.

I don't know that we'll be the best option for Le'Veon, but we should be on the short list.

apparently, the bears are favorites to land him, betting wise

[IliketheBullsNBearstoo]

Bell has an offset guarantee which means we can sign for the minimum (800k I believe) and the Jets cover the rest of his contract. The only reason he isn't on the bears is because he chose a different team.

Teams that might pursue him and he might be interested in;
49ers
Patriots
Texans
Bills
Cardinals
Rams
Seahawks

Bell can take his pick of the teams that want him and it will work out evenly financially. I hope the Bears sell him on coming here even if I'm skeptical. It's probably as good a shot as we get to an offensive shot in the arm this far into the season.

Things probably important to Bell:
Touches - This equates to money next year and is probably most important
Quality of offense - equates to how good he will look individually which leads to more money
Quality of team - all things being equal, I'm sure he'd rather win a ring or have a deep playoff run than not

Bears might be one of the few good teams that he could outright win the feature back role given the quality of our players, and we have an offense that if he played well on, could give him a lot of looks, because if successful, we'd love to run the ball and throw short passes all day long and control the clock.

On the downside, we don't have a lot of quality on offense where he will put up gaudy stats, and while we're probably a playoff team right now, we're not a favorite to go deep in the playoffs.

I don't know that we'll be the best option for Le'Veon, but we should be on the short list.

apparently, the bears are favorites to land him, betting wise

Weren't we for Fournette as well? I think Lamar Miller is about as good as we can expect. I'm hoping I'm wrong.

[CjayC]

BYU's QB Zach Wilson is rising in the draft. He's athletic, has a good arm, and has good general accuracy, although not pinpoint(Which is weird to say for someone with a 82% completion percentage). He leaves some yards on the field not leading his receivers properly at times, and isn't asked to make anticipation throws or pre-snap adjustments. Might be a nice stash for a 1 or 2 seasons as a late 1st round, possible early 2nd round trade down target. BYU is playing against a rising Houston program, this Friday. Should be a good game.

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[IliketheBullsNBearstoo]

Sounds like Mitch.

But does he have moxie?

[CjayC]

Sounds like Mitch.

But does he have moxie?

Not a bad comparison. They're both accurate throwers on the run, but I think Wilson probably has better feet from the pocket and reads the game a bit faster post-snap, but who really knows. Mitch's biggest problem(Outside of the downfield accuracy) is he simply can't read the defense. You can do all the chalkboard work, and film prep in the world, but you have to be able to process while the play is happening. In hindsight Mitch making it that far into the draft process and not knowing how to hard count should've been a red flag against his IQ.

Also different levels of comp between the ACC & Independent, but it has to count for something that Wilson could get on the field as a true Freshman. Unless we start sucking soon and luck into a Top 3 pick they're gonna have to sort through some QBs with some warts in their game to find the next hopeful franchise QB.