The Lebron '20 Thread (Pt. 8)

[xb3at band1tx]

still hilarious there were people who thought Heat had the personnel to slow down LeBron lol

crowder and iggy are classic Bron Jobbers

LMFAO whoever coined the phrase 'Lebron Jobber' in this thread legitimately changed my life. Was it you bandit? That s*** cracks me up every single time.

lol yup, for more than half a decade now, I put guys like Milsap, Crowder, Iggy, and Morris in the Bron Jobbers section

[therealbig3]

LOL, didn't want to make it too obvious, but yeah, obviously I was being sarcastic. My post was intentionally ridiculous.

I specifically find it funny the contradiction that exists, where the same people that lament how soft defense is now and how much harder LeBron would have it in the 90s completely ignore the absolute terror he would be on the defensive end if he was able to dish out physical punishment and maul guys on the perimeter all he wanted (if that's really what was allowed, which we all know was not).

And come on, anyone arguing that defensive schemes in the 90s were close to as complex as now just have Jordan-colored glasses on. LeBron would gladly take an extra 10% of physical play to go up against the simplistic defense that era offered.

Now, that's not to say he would necessarily be better than Jordan...just that there are plenty of things that would break his way in that era that would allow him to still dominate to the same degree as he is today.

[nzahir]

I remember someone from here posted potential FAs in another thread. I think it was zimpy or nzahir. If you guys could bless us with that copypasta maybe we can talk about it? I doubt Grant is coming here. Denver would be crazy not to give him the $15 mil/yr or whatever he's asking for. I think Wes Matthews might be a good scoop. He was the guy who defended Jimmy best on the Bucks so at least he fills a token 3&D role.

Here is my post, maybe it is too early and long, but whatever.

I included most FA’s and trade guys that I could think of that make sense. Anyone I am missing?
Who would you sign with the mle and bi annual? Who would you look to trade for? Pretty difficult w/o knowing if KCP, Rondo, AB, and Mcgee will opt in or out, will Dwight be back, and what is happening with Boogie, but fun to think of the scenarios.

FA:
Pg: Augustin, Teague, Collison (if he comes back), Dragic (mle maybe enough?), Reggie Jackson
Sg: Wes Matthews, Bazemore, Justin Holiday, Alec Burks
Sf: Korver, Harkless, Ariza? (if portland waives)
Pf: Gallinari, Melo, Kieff, Crowder (meh, has issues with lebron in cle too)
C: Dwight, Boogie, Baynes, Marc Gasol, Ibaka

Trade:
Pg: Schroeder, Mills, Rose, Dinwiddie, Cp3 (would kill 2021 FA and depth)
Sg: Luke Kennard, Fournier, Powell (2021 PO, assume he opts out), Grayson Allen, JJ reddick, Svi, Oladipo THJ (meh)
Sf: Mcdermott, Otto Porter Jr, Ingles (2022), TJ Warren, Derozan
Pf/C: Bjelica

Lakers have to figure out if 2021 FA is the class they are going after or if it is 2022
2021: Jrue, Oladipo, Giannis (doubtful), Maybe Hayward, Derozan.
2022: Cp3, Beal, Harden, Wall, Lavine, etc

Even though DG has pissed me off so much this year, I am not sure if it makes sense to trade him considering how tough it would be to get another good defensive guard/wing who can keep defenses honest

We can for sure use 1 more shooter off the bench, then a playmaker (shooting playmaker would be perfect), then a defensive wing.

If Gallo is available for a 1 year mle (1+1 PO), that would be great
If not, guys like Bjelica, Kennard, Svi (really wish we still had him), and JJ would be great. Then Grayson or Mcdermott

If Kuzma can't get any decent value, just keep him for him for his 2 way potential, cheap current price, and a good scoring body for regular season when AD and Bron sit. But if we can swing him for a consistent 3 point threat or a consistent young defender, rather do that

Thoughts?

[kayess]

LOL, didn't want to make it too obvious, but yeah, obviously I was being sarcastic. My post was intentionally ridiculous.

I specifically find it funny the contradiction that exists, where the same people that lament how soft defense is now and how much harder LeBron would have it in the 90s completely ignore the absolute terror he would be on the defensive end if he was able to dish out physical punishment and maul guys on the perimeter all he wanted (if that's really what was allowed, which we all know was not).

And come on, anyone arguing that defensive schemes in the 90s were close to as complex as now just have Jordan-colored glasses on. LeBron would gladly take an extra 10% of physical play to go up against the simplistic defense that era offered.

Now, that's not to say he would necessarily be better than Jordan...just that there are plenty of things that would break his way in that era that would allow him to still dominate to the same degree as he is today.

It's obvious because it was you, but people out there LEGITIMATELY believe what you posted, which is mind-boggling. And given how the world has gone to **** you can never be too sure these days... lmao

But yeah can you imagine 2008-2013 Bron in the 90s where the only option was to single cover him or send a hard double?

[homecourtloss]

still hilarious there were people who thought Heat had the personnel to slow down LeBron lol

crowder and iggy are classic Bron Jobbers

LMFAO whoever coined the phrase 'Lebron Jobber' in this thread legitimately changed my life. Was it you bandit? That s*** cracks me up every single time.

Its kind of insane bron was doing this to jimmy lol. Jimmy's prolly third on a list of people to guard lebron in the league, and bron actualy hit him with 30-12-8 shooting 60/40/65

According to tracking data, LeBron was 21/34 overall vs. Butler, 6/12 on threes, 69.6% TS

[zgope1]

Bill Simmons claims that playing in modern times is why Lebron wins the prolonged excellence part of the MJ debate.

Never acknowledges that MJ was competing against scrub 90s athletes as an advantage of his era

[Mos_Heat]

Assuming '21 LeBron is at about 90% of what he was last season, what would be the main obstacles to prevent the Lakers from repeating?

I feel the Lakers in the coming season should be looking stronger than the Heat were coming into 2013 when they repeated.

Same as they were this season - jump shooting, wing defense, secondary creation

Rondo was good to great in almost half of the games he played, so if you apply 10% regression for him that swings LAL's chances by a significant margin

[JulesWinnfield]

As good as Rondo was at times, and he was indeed damn good, he still managed to post a -5.5 net on/off in the playoffs. It’s tough to make too much out of on:off in short samples though, especially when someone like Danny Green posted a massive rating even while sucking thoroughly in this postseason. It’s admittedly a far more useful stat the bigger the sample is

[Mos_Heat]

I remember someone from here posted potential FAs in another thread. I think it was zimpy or nzahir. If you guys could bless us with that copypasta maybe we can talk about it? I doubt Grant is coming here. Denver would be crazy not to give him the $15 mil/yr or whatever he's asking for. I think Wes Matthews might be a good scoop. He was the guy who defended Jimmy best on the Bucks so at least he fills a token 3&D role.

Spoiler:

Here is my post, maybe it is too early and long, but whatever.

I included most FA’s and trade guys that I could think of that make sense. Anyone I am missing?
Who would you sign with the mle and bi annual? Who would you look to trade for? Pretty difficult w/o knowing if KCP, Rondo, AB, and Mcgee will opt in or out, will Dwight be back, and what is happening with Boogie, but fun to think of the scenarios.

FA:
Pg: Augustin, Teague, Collison (if he comes back), Dragic (mle maybe enough?), Reggie Jackson
Sg: Wes Matthews, Bazemore, Justin Holiday, Alec Burks
Sf: Korver, Harkless, Ariza? (if portland waives)
Pf: Gallinari, Melo, Kieff, Crowder (meh, has issues with lebron in cle too)
C: Dwight, Boogie, Baynes, Marc Gasol, Ibaka

Trade:
Pg: Schroeder, Mills, Rose, Dinwiddie, Cp3 (would kill 2021 FA and depth)
Sg: Luke Kennard, Fournier, Powell (2021 PO, assume he opts out), Grayson Allen, JJ reddick, Svi, Oladipo THJ (meh)
Sf: Mcdermott, Otto Porter Jr, Ingles (2022), TJ Warren, Derozan
Pf/C: Bjelica

Lakers have to figure out if 2021 FA is the class they are going after or if it is 2022
2021: Jrue, Oladipo, Giannis (doubtful), Maybe Hayward, Derozan.
2022: Cp3, Beal, Harden, Wall, Lavine, etc

Even though DG has pissed me off so much this year, I am not sure if it makes sense to trade him considering how tough it would be to get another good defensive guard/wing who can keep defenses honest

We can for sure use 1 more shooter off the bench, then a playmaker (shooting playmaker would be perfect), then a defensive wing.

If Gallo is available for a 1 year mle (1+1 PO), that would be great
If not, guys like Bjelica, Kennard, Svi (really wish we still had him), and JJ would be great. Then Grayson or Mcdermott

If Kuzma can't get any decent value, just keep him for him for his 2 way potential, cheap current price, and a good scoring body for regular season when AD and Bron sit. But if we can swing him for a consistent 3 point threat or a consistent young defender, rather do that

Thoughts?

I think after KCP's and Rondo's salary bumps they will only have tax MLE, unless they bundle Javale, Bradley and a pick for a lesser salary.

[Homer38]

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[Baski]

Never really bought the baseball disadvantage. Many studies have proven that it's better for long term injury prevention for athletes to play multiple sports. Taking those years off to do baseball definitely extended his prime lol, and he tried to sneak back in to win a chip at full health in 95 while the rest of the league was banged up going into the playoffs.

I always laugh when I read this.

[Dupp]

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Lmao at Bill Simmons. Dudes so petty and stupid.

[Homer38]

Watch on YouTube

[zimpy27]

I remember someone from here posted potential FAs in another thread. I think it was zimpy or nzahir. If you guys could bless us with that copypasta maybe we can talk about it? I doubt Grant is coming here. Denver would be crazy not to give him the $15 mil/yr or whatever he's asking for. I think Wes Matthews might be a good scoop. He was the guy who defended Jimmy best on the Bucks so at least he fills a token 3&D role.

Here is my post, maybe it is too early and long, but whatever.

I included most FA’s and trade guys that I could think of that make sense. Anyone I am missing?
Who would you sign with the mle and bi annual? Who would you look to trade for? Pretty difficult w/o knowing if KCP, Rondo, AB, and Mcgee will opt in or out, will Dwight be back, and what is happening with Boogie, but fun to think of the scenarios.

FA:
Pg: Augustin, Teague, Collison (if he comes back), Dragic (mle maybe enough?), Reggie Jackson
Sg: Wes Matthews, Bazemore, Justin Holiday, Alec Burks
Sf: Korver, Harkless, Ariza? (if portland waives)
Pf: Gallinari, Melo, Kieff, Crowder (meh, has issues with lebron in cle too)
C: Dwight, Boogie, Baynes, Marc Gasol, Ibaka

Trade:
Pg: Schroeder, Mills, Rose, Dinwiddie, Cp3 (would kill 2021 FA and depth)
Sg: Luke Kennard, Fournier, Powell (2021 PO, assume he opts out), Grayson Allen, JJ reddick, Svi, Oladipo THJ (meh)
Sf: Mcdermott, Otto Porter Jr, Ingles (2022), TJ Warren, Derozan
Pf/C: Bjelica

Lakers have to figure out if 2021 FA is the class they are going after or if it is 2022
2021: Jrue, Oladipo, Giannis (doubtful), Maybe Hayward, Derozan.
2022: Cp3, Beal, Harden, Wall, Lavine, etc

Even though DG has pissed me off so much this year, I am not sure if it makes sense to trade him considering how tough it would be to get another good defensive guard/wing who can keep defenses honest

We can for sure use 1 more shooter off the bench, then a playmaker (shooting playmaker would be perfect), then a defensive wing.

If Gallo is available for a 1 year mle (1+1 PO), that would be great
If not, guys like Bjelica, Kennard, Svi (really wish we still had him), and JJ would be great. Then Grayson or Mcdermott

If Kuzma can't get any decent value, just keep him for him for his 2 way potential, cheap current price, and a good scoring body for regular season when AD and Bron sit. But if we can swing him for a consistent 3 point threat or a consistent young defender, rather do that

Thoughts?

Good list.

I personally think Josh Jackson, Alec Burks, Tristan Thompson, Markieff Morris, Dwight Howard will be the targets for FA for Lakers. They also may need to pay Rondo more.

I think all this is their FA done. Though I do like Korver, Harmless, Wes.


I think a trade for Snell or McDermott as backup SF could happen since a wing defender and knockdown shooter are needs. Other than that I don't see any trades unless it's for a starter guard scoring upgrade like Oladipo or Fournier.

[Mazter]

Read on Twitter

It's always good to be reminded how narratives can change along the way and over the years. They went from "having nothing at the back end of the roster" to being a superteam in like 10 seconds. It was even called a bigger disgrace than 2011 if he hadn't won the Finals, while not even being in the ESPN BPI top 5 a year earlier...

[homecourtloss]

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Obviously the video has to be kept short, but there could be a bunch of other things included there and now the revisionism has started/already was underway as soon as the Lakers and LeBron winning some series.

You see a bunch of articles and posts about “LeBeon Ball,” but what sbout the ability of LeBron to get the most out of this roster, to create this team chemistry?

[Heej]

I remember someone from here posted potential FAs in another thread. I think it was zimpy or nzahir. If you guys could bless us with that copypasta maybe we can talk about it? I doubt Grant is coming here. Denver would be crazy not to give him the $15 mil/yr or whatever he's asking for. I think Wes Matthews might be a good scoop. He was the guy who defended Jimmy best on the Bucks so at least he fills a token 3&D role.

Here is my post, maybe it is too early and long, but whatever.

I included most FA’s and trade guys that I could think of that make sense. Anyone I am missing?
Who would you sign with the mle and bi annual? Who would you look to trade for? Pretty difficult w/o knowing if KCP, Rondo, AB, and Mcgee will opt in or out, will Dwight be back, and what is happening with Boogie, but fun to think of the scenarios.

FA:
Pg: Augustin, Teague, Collison (if he comes back), Dragic (mle maybe enough?), Reggie Jackson
Sg: Wes Matthews, Bazemore, Justin Holiday, Alec Burks
Sf: Korver, Harkless, Ariza? (if portland waives)
Pf: Gallinari, Melo, Kieff, Crowder (meh, has issues with lebron in cle too)
C: Dwight, Boogie, Baynes, Marc Gasol, Ibaka

Trade:
Pg: Schroeder, Mills, Rose, Dinwiddie, Cp3 (would kill 2021 FA and depth)
Sg: Luke Kennard, Fournier, Powell (2021 PO, assume he opts out), Grayson Allen, JJ reddick, Svi, Oladipo THJ (meh)
Sf: Mcdermott, Otto Porter Jr, Ingles (2022), TJ Warren, Derozan
Pf/C: Bjelica

Lakers have to figure out if 2021 FA is the class they are going after or if it is 2022
2021: Jrue, Oladipo, Giannis (doubtful), Maybe Hayward, Derozan.
2022: Cp3, Beal, Harden, Wall, Lavine, etc

Even though DG has pissed me off so much this year, I am not sure if it makes sense to trade him considering how tough it would be to get another good defensive guard/wing who can keep defenses honest

We can for sure use 1 more shooter off the bench, then a playmaker (shooting playmaker would be perfect), then a defensive wing.

If Gallo is available for a 1 year mle (1+1 PO), that would be great
If not, guys like Bjelica, Kennard, Svi (really wish we still had him), and JJ would be great. Then Grayson or Mcdermott

If Kuzma can't get any decent value, just keep him for him for his 2 way potential, cheap current price, and a good scoring body for regular season when AD and Bron sit. But if we can swing him for a consistent 3 point threat or a consistent young defender, rather do that

Thoughts?

Good list.

I personally think Josh Jackson, Alec Burks, Tristan Thompson, Markieff Morris, Dwight Howard will be the targets for FA for Lakers. They also may need to pay Rondo more.

I think all this is their FA done. Though I do like Korver, Harmless, Wes.


I think a trade for Snell or McDermott as backup SF could happen since a wing defender and knockdown shooter are needs. Other than that I don't see any trades unless it's for a starter guard scoring upgrade like Oladipo or Fournier.

Interesting. The guys that popped to me are Matthews, Justin Holiday, Alec Burks, Moe Harkless, and Kent Bazemore. I know people want a PG that can pull up off screens like Augustin but I'm happy with AC Rondo and Bradley as 2 way players. Maybe Ibaka for the McGee slot. That would be low-key amazing as a pickup. Stretch big that can defend the rim.

Portland would have to be the biggest morons in the league to waive Ariza I'd throw the whole damn MLE at that MFer if that's what it takes. Also a Kennard for Kuzma type deal would be veryyy spicy. I think they're high on him tho and idk if he's worth Kuzma and #28 given how great Jesse Buss and Ryan West are at scouting.

Also @Homer that video is great.

[zimpy27]

Here is my post, maybe it is too early and long, but whatever.

I included most FA’s and trade guys that I could think of that make sense. Anyone I am missing?
Who would you sign with the mle and bi annual? Who would you look to trade for? Pretty difficult w/o knowing if KCP, Rondo, AB, and Mcgee will opt in or out, will Dwight be back, and what is happening with Boogie, but fun to think of the scenarios.

FA:
Pg: Augustin, Teague, Collison (if he comes back), Dragic (mle maybe enough?), Reggie Jackson
Sg: Wes Matthews, Bazemore, Justin Holiday, Alec Burks
Sf: Korver, Harkless, Ariza? (if portland waives)
Pf: Gallinari, Melo, Kieff, Crowder (meh, has issues with lebron in cle too)
C: Dwight, Boogie, Baynes, Marc Gasol, Ibaka

Trade:
Pg: Schroeder, Mills, Rose, Dinwiddie, Cp3 (would kill 2021 FA and depth)
Sg: Luke Kennard, Fournier, Powell (2021 PO, assume he opts out), Grayson Allen, JJ reddick, Svi, Oladipo THJ (meh)
Sf: Mcdermott, Otto Porter Jr, Ingles (2022), TJ Warren, Derozan
Pf/C: Bjelica

Lakers have to figure out if 2021 FA is the class they are going after or if it is 2022
2021: Jrue, Oladipo, Giannis (doubtful), Maybe Hayward, Derozan.
2022: Cp3, Beal, Harden, Wall, Lavine, etc

Even though DG has pissed me off so much this year, I am not sure if it makes sense to trade him considering how tough it would be to get another good defensive guard/wing who can keep defenses honest

We can for sure use 1 more shooter off the bench, then a playmaker (shooting playmaker would be perfect), then a defensive wing.

If Gallo is available for a 1 year mle (1+1 PO), that would be great
If not, guys like Bjelica, Kennard, Svi (really wish we still had him), and JJ would be great. Then Grayson or Mcdermott

If Kuzma can't get any decent value, just keep him for him for his 2 way potential, cheap current price, and a good scoring body for regular season when AD and Bron sit. But if we can swing him for a consistent 3 point threat or a consistent young defender, rather do that

Thoughts?

Good list.

I personally think Josh Jackson, Alec Burks, Tristan Thompson, Markieff Morris, Dwight Howard will be the targets for FA for Lakers. They also may need to pay Rondo more.

I think all this is their FA done. Though I do like Korver, Harmless, Wes.


I think a trade for Snell or McDermott as backup SF could happen since a wing defender and knockdown shooter are needs. Other than that I don't see any trades unless it's for a starter guard scoring upgrade like Oladipo or Fournier.

Interesting. The guys that popped to me are Matthews, Justin Holiday, Alec Burks, Moe Harkless, and Kent Bazemore. I know people want a PG that can pull up off screens like Augustin but I'm happy with AC Rondo and Bradley as 2 way players. Maybe Ibaka for the McGee slot. That would be low-key amazing as a pickup. Stretch big that can defend the rim.

Portland would have to be the biggest morons in the league to waive Ariza I'd throw the whole damn MLE at that MFer if that's what it takes. Also a Kennard for Kuzma type deal would be veryyy spicy. I think they're high on him tho and idk if he's worth Kuzma and #28 given how great Jesse Buss and Ryan West are at scouting.

Also @Homer that video is great.

I think if you look into Josh Jackson a bit you will be intigued. He has the tools and his mindset has changed recently. Couple a young guy like that under the Lakers leadership and he could become pretty special defensively.

Bradley, Kuzma, McGee, pick 28 for Snell and Kennard is a possibility. Lakers effectively give up Kuzma from their recent playoff run and exchange for Snell and Kennard. Kennards value has fallen off, he is who he is now, no potential left.

Tristan Thompson is the target for a McGee spot he wants to be in LA and he's always had great numbers with LeBron.

[Heej]

Good list.

I personally think Josh Jackson, Alec Burks, Tristan Thompson, Markieff Morris, Dwight Howard will be the targets for FA for Lakers. They also may need to pay Rondo more.

I think all this is their FA done. Though I do like Korver, Harmless, Wes.


I think a trade for Snell or McDermott as backup SF could happen since a wing defender and knockdown shooter are needs. Other than that I don't see any trades unless it's for a starter guard scoring upgrade like Oladipo or Fournier.

Interesting. The guys that popped to me are Matthews, Justin Holiday, Alec Burks, Moe Harkless, and Kent Bazemore. I know people want a PG that can pull up off screens like Augustin but I'm happy with AC Rondo and Bradley as 2 way players. Maybe Ibaka for the McGee slot. That would be low-key amazing as a pickup. Stretch big that can defend the rim.

Portland would have to be the biggest morons in the league to waive Ariza I'd throw the whole damn MLE at that MFer if that's what it takes. Also a Kennard for Kuzma type deal would be veryyy spicy. I think they're high on him tho and idk if he's worth Kuzma and #28 given how great Jesse Buss and Ryan West are at scouting.

Also @Homer that video is great.

I think if you look into Josh Jackson a bit you will be intigued. He has the tools and his mindset has changed recently. Couple a young guy like that under the Lakers leadership and he could become pretty special defensively.

Bradley, Kuzma, McGee, pick 28 for Snell and Kennard is a possibility. Lakers effectively give up Kuzma from their recent playoff run and exchange for Snell and Kennard. Kennards value has fallen off, he is who he is now, no potential left.

Tristan Thompson is the target for a McGee spot he wants to be in LA and he's always had great numbers with LeBron.

Yea I believe you on Jackson, I guess my only concern is his shooting. Cuz he did have the tools for everything else. Still can't believe Phoenix nuked the Kyrie trade over him that could've given us Bron and PG on the Cavs

[limbo]

What's the priority for the Lakers? I'm thinking a guy that can shoot but also defend guys like Kawhi, Luka, PG, maybe Harden/Murray...

Obviously upgrading the Morris/Kuzma role would be nice as well.

A guy like Justin Holiday would work well with LeBron, but he's like a slight upgrade of the same type of player KCP is.

I think Rondo is staying, so there won't be a need for a DJ Augustin type player.

Or do you just cash in on the best available talent like Gallo or Ibaka and roll with that?