2020 NBA Draft Thread: Bulls pick 4th: PT 2

[drosestruts]

Lonzo Ball
#13 Pick
#39 + #42 Picks

FOR

Tomas Satoransky
#4 Pick

Seen this suggestion by a couple. I added the 2nd Rd Picks as fillers.

Before people say no thanks to Lonzo ultimately the decision would come down to Billy Donovan and if he think he can completely turn around his career which I have doubts he can.

I would be all over this. Someone on this team who can pass would be huge. Better yet Ball is also a very good defender who's shooting and efficiency has improved every year (insert joke here about how it only had room to go up)

[PlayerUp]

Are your last two posts related? Why would hey trade down to acquire Lonzo as their pg of the future and then draft Lewis?

No. Different scenarios.

Obviously for me I would not draft Kira Lewis at #4 you trade down. I would also personally not do the Lonzo trade as Lonzo is due an extension soon. That's just my preference but I do like Kira Lewis and would do a trade for #8, #27, Mavs Future 1st if offered.

[HoopsterJones]

As well as he has played the past two seasons, what is the likelihood that Zach re-ups with the Bulls in 2 years?

If it’s not looking good, then maybe the Bulls should consider trading for the #1 or #2 pick (in an albeit questionable draft I Know) plus future draft considerations like a lightly protected FRP.

[TheFinishSniper]

As well as he has played the past two seasons, what is the likelihood that Zach re-ups with the Bulls in 2 years?

If it’s not looking good, then maybe the Bulls should consider trading for the #1 or #2 pick (in an albeit questionable draft I Know) plus future draft considerations like a lightly protected FRP.

Personally I think chance Zach sign new deal is bigger than it was few months ago. We have complete new structure and he will be for extension right around time when he will see first positives of having new managment, culture and team roster put by FO. By then he will know does he wanna stay or not.

And in unlikely event if he doesnt wanna stay I hope Zach will give new managment ahead of time opportunity to get most for him in possible trade instead of him leaving for nothing through next year.

[HoopsterJones]

As well as he has played the past two seasons, what is the likelihood that Zach re-ups with the Bulls in 2 years?

If it’s not looking good, then maybe the Bulls should consider trading for the #1 or #2 pick (in an albeit questionable draft I Know) plus future draft considerations like a lightly protected FRP.

Personally I think chance Zach sign new deal is bigger than it was few months ago. We have complete new structure and he will be for extension right around time when he will see first positives of having new managment, culture and team roster put by FO. By then he will know does he wanna stay or not.

And in unlikely event if he doesnt wanna stay I hope Zach will give new managment ahead of time opportunity to get most for him in possible trade instead of him leaving for nothing through next year.

I agree. I am hopeful that Zach is willing to re-sign with the Bulls. He’s a quality enough player who can be at least a decent third option on a contender. However, he and Coby have skills sets that overlap. I’ll wait and see how Donovan coaches up schemes and rotations next season to see how they fit Together in the back court.

[cjbulls]

As well as he has played the past two seasons, what is the likelihood that Zach re-ups with the Bulls in 2 years?

If it’s not looking good, then maybe the Bulls should consider trading for the #1 or #2 pick (in an albeit questionable draft I Know) plus future draft considerations like a lightly protected FRP.

Zach wouldn’t get you the #1 or #2 pick in his own. His reputation is (perhaps rightfully) sullied by not playing on winning teams and his somewhat selfish play style.

[Pax for Prez]

As well as he has played the past two seasons, what is the likelihood that Zach re-ups with the Bulls in 2 years?

If it’s not looking good, then maybe the Bulls should consider trading for the #1 or #2 pick (in an albeit questionable draft I Know) plus future draft considerations like a lightly protected FRP.

Zach wouldn’t get you the #1 or #2 pick in his own. His reputation is (perhaps rightfully) sullied by not playing on winning teams and his somewhat selfish play style.

Agreed, Zach is worth more to this team, then what the Bulls would receive for him in trade at this time. This season is HUGE for Zach Bulls future.

[PaKii94]

I'm very meh on advija now. He doesn't pop out for me. He will probably be a good role player but then I'd rather have vassell cause he can be an even better role player

[StunnerKO]

Watch on YouTube

[HomoSapien]

As well as he has played the past two seasons, what is the likelihood that Zach re-ups with the Bulls in 2 years?

If it’s not looking good, then maybe the Bulls should consider trading for the #1 or #2 pick (in an albeit questionable draft I Know) plus future draft considerations like a lightly protected FRP.

Zach wouldn’t get you the #1 or #2 pick in his own. His reputation is (perhaps rightfully) sullied by not playing on winning teams and his somewhat selfish play style.

But the Wolves actually know him, so his reputation shouldn't be a factor with them. They either like him or they don't. My gut is that there is some regret that they traded him instead of Wiggins. A 1 for Zach swap seems fair in this draft. I'm not 100% sure I'd do it, but if we're super high on Coby White, then maybe it makes sense for us too.

[Almost Retired]

Both Hayes and Deni both could easily be busts. They both have major flaws in their game and none of us should be sold on either of them. In fact it would not surprise me if picks 1-7 are all busts and the picks 8-20 turn out to be decent picks.

Onyeka Okongwu, Tyrese Haliburton, Devin Vassell are the safest picks in my opinion. Think all 3 can be quality NBA starters and I doubt anyone would argue otherwise.

Kira Lewis is the gem prospect in my opinion but I think the mocks are wrong and he'll go in the lottery. Poku could be the poor mans version of Giannis of this draft. There are also other potential gem prospects such as Tyrell Terry.

Overall trading down makes sense but surely every team in the lottery will be looking to do the same thing which makes it seem less likely we can pull off a trade moving down in this draft.

Despite some reservations if Deni is there at #4 I would take him. He could be quite a mismatch at SF. His playmaking abilities would make everyone else on the court that much better. From what I read he is an extremely hard worker. I think it is not beyond the realm of possibility that he could make great strides from his first training camp to his second season. He could get token minutes if OPJ stays healthy. Then let OPJ walk after the season. The new management crew wants to put more emphasis on player development. That's music to me ears because I've been disappointed in the devolopment of our players for years now. And we've been ill served by the team's former medical staff.

However Deni might not be there at #4. Some mocks have him going as high as #1 to Minny. I hope not. But we have to have a plan. I really like Vassel as a future glue-guy, 3&D starter by his 2nd year. #4 is probably too high for Vassel, but not by much. I don't see any great trading down possibilities except the one someone mentioned earlier with us trading #4 to Atlanta for #6 and Huerter. I'd do that deal. Not sure they would.

A final point. I see that several mocks have us now taking Toppin. I hope that's not the case. We need wings who can defend and hit open shots, or a playmaking wing like Deni. We have enough front court and back court players. With question marks attached to every prospect this year we might as well draft for need.

[HomoSapien]

Watch on YouTube

Thanks for posting. He seems intriguing, but those highlights didn't seem to impressive to me. I got Sato vibes...just seemed sort of ordinary. That said, could be an interesting second-round target.

[cjbulls]

As well as he has played the past two seasons, what is the likelihood that Zach re-ups with the Bulls in 2 years?

If it’s not looking good, then maybe the Bulls should consider trading for the #1 or #2 pick (in an albeit questionable draft I Know) plus future draft considerations like a lightly protected FRP.

Zach wouldn’t get you the #1 or #2 pick in his own. His reputation is (perhaps rightfully) sullied by not playing on winning teams and his somewhat selfish play style.

But the Wolves actually know him, so his reputation shouldn't be a factor with them. They either like him or they don't. My gut is that there is some regret that they traded him instead of Wiggins. A 1 for Zach swap seems fair in this draft. I'm not 100% sure I'd do it, but if we're super high on Coby White, then maybe it makes sense for us too.

The Bulls “know him” and I’m sure they have many of those same reputational questions. We all still do.

[sco]

Both Hayes and Deni both could easily be busts. They both have major flaws in their game and none of us should be sold on either of them. In fact it would not surprise me if picks 1-7 are all busts and the picks 8-20 turn out to be decent picks.

Onyeka Okongwu, Tyrese Haliburton, Devin Vassell are the safest picks in my opinion. Think all 3 can be quality NBA starters and I doubt anyone would argue otherwise.

Kira Lewis is the gem prospect in my opinion but I think the mocks are wrong and he'll go in the lottery. Poku could be the poor mans version of Giannis of this draft. There are also other potential gem prospects such as Tyrell Terry.

Overall trading down makes sense but surely every team in the lottery will be looking to do the same thing which makes it seem less likely we can pull off a trade moving down in this draft.

Despite some reservations if Deni is there at #4 I would take him. He could be quite a mismatch at SF. His playmaking abilities would make everyone else on the court that much better. From what I read he is an extremely hard worker. I think it is not beyond the realm of possibility that he could make great strides from his first training camp to his second season. He could get token minutes if OPJ stays healthy. Then let OPJ walk after the season. The new management crew wants to put more emphasis on player development. That's music to me ears because I've been disappointed in the devolopment of our players for years now. And we've been ill served by the team's former medical staff.

However Deni might not be there at #4. Some mocks have him going as high as #1 to Minny. I hope not. But we have to have a plan. I really like Vassel as a future glue-guy, 3&D starter by his 2nd year. #4 is probably too high for Vassel, but not by much. I don't see any great trading down possibilities except the one someone mentioned earlier with us trading #4 to Atlanta for #6 and Huerter. I'd do that deal. Not sure they would.

A final point. I see that several mocks have us now taking Toppin. I hope that's not the case. We need wings who can defend and hit open shots, or a playmaking wing like Deni. We have enough front court and back court players. With question marks attached to every prospect this year we might as well draft for need.

I am probably way off here, but I think that folks who love Deni are wearing Luca-colored glasses. I see Deni as a career bench guy. He is good with the basket ball, but nothing says elite about this guy. Can make lay-ups and mid-range shots against sub-NBA talent, but not a great shooter, one hand dominant, he may be ok as a defender, but not elite. I much prefer a guy like Vassell who looks to be an elite defender who can already shoot. Coming in as a good shooter is HUGE...I'm just not the guy who buys into betting that guys will become great shooters.

I'd do #4 for #6 plus Huerter in a second...no way we get that deal. I really hope ATL is not interested in keeping Collins because he wants a MAX deal, and strike a deal for him (like #4 plus Lauri).

I might look at #4 for #8, #27 and #36 from NY. Most years I wouldn't, but I think there may be a gem in the late 1st or early 2nd.

[Pax for Prez]

2020 NBA Draft rumors roundup: Minnesota still looking to trade out of No. 1

Link:
https://nba.nbcsports.com/2020/10/14/2020-nba-draft-rumors-roundup-minnesota-still-looking-to-trade-out-of-no-1/

Below are some information about the rumors of the Top 5 Picks

• The Minnesota Timberwolves would love to trade out of the No. 1 pick for a player who can help them win now. Team president Gersson Rosas told NBC Sports’ Tom Haberstroh he was open to it on a recent Tom Haberstroh podcast, and the buzz around the league has continued to be they want to make a move. Kevin O’Conner wrote this at The Ringer in his mock draft: “Executives around the NBA say the Timberwolves prefer to trade down or out of this pick to bring in a win-now player to help Karl-Anthony Towns and D’Angelo Russell.”

• We know that Bob Myers and the Warriors also are open to trading out of the No. 2 pick, and the buzz is they continue to look for a trade for their pick as well.

• The question is: Who would be a buyer for those picks? There was some thought in NBA circles that the Knicks would be willing to move up from the No. 8 spot to land the potential of LaMelo Ball — and new Knicks’ president Leon Rose is reportedly highest on Ball and James Wiseman in this draft. Still, New York is reportedly more interested in trading down than up. If the Timberwolves or Warriors find a taker for those picks, they will not get the same haul they would most seasons. Nobody is high on the top of this draft board.

• Speaking of Wiseman, the 7-footer out of Memphis (technically), Sam Vecenie of The Athletic said he is hearing Wiseman is drawing interest because he’s seen as a “safe” pick compared to others at the top of the draft. “Having talked to sources who have seen Wiseman work out in Miami, there is some real enthusiasm about his play… A lot of executives I’ve spoken with actually consider Wiseman to be among the safer players in the draft. Simply put, few executives doubt that his size, length and athleticism will translate into being a starting quality NBA center.”

• Where the doubt comes in is with Wiseman is if he can be a star player. A few around the league say yes, but there is a lot of concern he will not be happy in his role in the league. The concern is he wants the ball, wants to face up and attack like Giannis Antetokounmpo or Anthony Davis, and Wiseman simply isn’t that good. He’s not going to be that guy at the NBA level. Would he continue to work hard in a lesser role?

• Could Obi Toppin be staying in Ohio? The Dayton standout has the Cleveland Cavaliers’ interest, who pick fifth, reports Jeremy Woo at Sports Illustrated.

• If the Warriors keep the No. 2 pick, might they target Deni Avdija out of Israel? O’Conner at the Ringer thinks so. “Avdija makes sense as a target due to his versatility, playmaking, and high basketball IQ, all qualities that helped Golden State reach five straight NBA Finals.”

[cjbulls]

2020 NBA Draft rumors roundup: Minnesota still looking to trade out of No. 1

Link:
https://nba.nbcsports.com/2020/10/14/2020-nba-draft-rumors-roundup-minnesota-still-looking-to-trade-out-of-no-1/

• Where the doubt comes in is with Wiseman is if he can be a star player. A few around the league say yes, but there is a lot of concern he will not be happy in his role in the league. The concern is he wants the ball, wants to face up and attack like Giannis Antetokounmpo or Anthony Davis, and Wiseman simply isn’t that good. He’s not going to be that guy at the NBA level. Would he continue to work hard in a lesser role?

This seems like my biggest concern. Who does Wiseman see himself as and what happens when he isn’t allowed to play that inefficient way?

Still worth the risk at #4, but it would be nice to go back to a world where big men wanted to play big.

[Pax for Prez]

2020 NBA Draft rumors roundup: Minnesota still looking to trade out of No. 1

Link:
https://nba.nbcsports.com/2020/10/14/2020-nba-draft-rumors-roundup-minnesota-still-looking-to-trade-out-of-no-1/

• Where the doubt comes in is with Wiseman is if he can be a star player. A few around the league say yes, but there is a lot of concern he will not be happy in his role in the league. The concern is he wants the ball, wants to face up and attack like Giannis Antetokounmpo or Anthony Davis, and Wiseman simply isn’t that good. He’s not going to be that guy at the NBA level. Would he continue to work hard in a lesser role?

This seems like my biggest concern. Who does Wiseman see himself as and what happens when he isn’t allowed to play that inefficient way?

Still worth the risk at #4, but it would be nice to go back to a world where big men wanted to play big.

The comparison I keep thinking about with Wiseman is Hassan Whiteside.

Whiteside was unhappy with his role in Miami and I can see Wiseman not accepting his role as well.

[WindyCityBorn]

Deni all the way. Don't even care about the rest.

[gobullschi]

Lonzo Ball
#13 Pick
#39 + #42 Picks

FOR

Tomas Satoransky
#4 Pick

Seen this suggestion by a couple. I added the 2nd Rd Picks as fillers.

Before people say no thanks to Lonzo ultimately the decision would come down to Billy Donovan and if he think he can completely turn around his career which I have doubts he can.

If the Bulls didn’t win the lotto and were drafting 7th overall, this deal would be close. Right now it’s terrible value and I’m a Lonzo Ball fan.

[TheSuzerain]

https://deanondraft.com/2020/09/28/how-good-is-deni-avdija/