UnFadeable21 wrote:MagicMatic wrote:Bensational wrote:
Isaac helps to make us better, but he's not the backbone of success for the team. We were 15-19 in games he played, 19-21 in games he didn't. East teams are already slated to improve without making changes like Brooklyn and Washington, but the offseason hasn't even started yet, so there's still the chance WeHam add pieces that get or keep us in playoff contention.
Making future plans with the hopes of a strong return from Isaac is a risky move at this point. If he comes back and proves to be made of glass and gets re-injured, then there's no way we get a decent return for him and we likely lose a #6 pick asset for nothing. Trading him won't bring back a very decent return, unless there's a team equally as naive about Isaac's future health prospects that want to give up a good return for him.
Fournier and Bamba should be up for trade first to try to add a legitimate backcourt playmaker, ideally at SG, who Vuc and AG compliment. If Isaac ever proves he can return and stay healthy, deal with that problem then.
How do you know trading AG wouldn’t bring a somewhat decent return? I’ve already explained
why teams would possibly be willing to give up more this offseason.
This is the issue with Orlando and it’s fans. They are too afraid to make changes because they fear “missing the playoffs”... We aren’t “risking” anything.
I could literally care less about seeing a first round exit team AGAIN at the expense of draft position and trade value. Most outsiders, and informed fans, looking at Orlando’s situation all say the same thing - “it’s time that they start making decisions on some of these guys”. AG, Fournier, and Vuc ARE those guys... whether fans want to believe it or not. This FO is not going to trade Isaac and Bamba. It’s not happening. They wouldn’t move on from their only acquisitions at the expense of AG and Fournier.
I’ll repeat, it does NOT take 7 years to build a roster. It doesn’t take a FO 4 years to choose a direction. People might have a case if this team was going into the season healthy with Okeke as an X-factor accompanied with a rookie, Fultz, Isaac, and Bamba. The rest? We already know who they are and what they do. The realistic result of this team next season is what happened this season minus DJ and Isaac.. no thanks.
Isaac is out, so instead of “playoffs or bust” the FO should actually make some decisions and plan something for once.
You sir are correct. A competent front office can do a compete rebuild in about two seasons.
Look at the Timberwolves for example, in one year, they got rid of Wiggins 5 year 147 million contract, Gorgui 2 year 30 million and Jeff Teague 19 million.
We went from an 8th seed team with no future to now with much higher upside. We tanked this season and now have the number 1 pick along with two young all stars.
The Orlando Magic need to tank the 2020 season, clean their books and stock pile draft picks and in 2021, they could be a real contending team with continuous upside.
Fultz
Isaac
Pick 15
Last year of Vuc
And cap space and draft picks to spend in 2021.
Without any desire to insult you, you guys are team that every other team should look and learn what to not do.
Regular Minessota T wolves fan who is now 17 years old lived through 1 playoff Minessota run in his entire life.
And even today, on paper your team isn't that bad ( Towns, D'angelo, Beasley) but let's not fool anybody, you were still trash. 19-45 record says it all. Among your best 3 players, not a single one can defend anybody. Especially Russell who is like wet paper on defense. And player who supposed to be defensive anchor by default, and position he plays, Towns, is as bad defensive center as you get.
Towns currently ranks 405 of 513 players in NBA.com’s defensive win shares, and has an awful 115.4 defensive rating. That means a starting lineup of five Towns would yield 115 points to any opponent. The Wolves are actually a minus 2.2 points per 100 possessions with KAT on the court, according to Basketball-Reference.
So no, you don't rebuild team in two years, your rebuild started in 2004 and is yet to show any progress other than one year rental of Jimmy Butler who couldn't stand your former 1# picks Towns and Wiggins. You are still going nowhere.
Only reason why your players
look like stars is :
a) playing for nothing but personal stats ( Wiggins, Beasley, Towns)
b) pushing pace ( 4th in pace)
And there is some hope that some nba coach could turn Towns into positive contributor on playoff team ( looking at only playoff run he had, it's a streach, but maybe) however, it's almost 2021, not a single team will ever pass first round with 30% usage rate of center. It's just different era.
Just like not a single team can survive in playoffs with Russell being exposed every single possession in pick&roll, especially when Towns should be there to "save " him, yet he can't even hold his own on that side.
We went from an 8th seed team with no future to now with much higher upside. We tanked this season and now have the number 1 pick along with two young all stars.
You went from having Jimmy Butler carring your a*** to playoffs to worst record over 2 years without salray cap until 2023.
You guys ending up with 1# pick, just to relise nobody that year is even worth lottery selection is most ironic outcome of "building through draft only" strategy. At least you don't pay Wiggins any more... I guess that's something. But i won't pretend D'angelo is much better. Empty calory 17 ppg on 52% TS for career with 0,3 BPM and negative net rating for career... If he played on Pistons and Cavs and not Nets and Lakers, he would be called Ish Smith.
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