The Lebron '20 Thread (Pt. 8)

[ardee]

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Noo damn man I should. I haven't subscribed to any if any it should be Elgee

Yeah it's the first I've subscribed to. But it'll be on Youtube in a week.

It's "three greatest games ever played by an individual" [consecutively] - Lebron G5-G7 of 16 finals. Just recaps the games, but he goes into Lebron's career-long trend (08-present) of playing much better in G5-7 vs G1-4 of a series. He's got the basic box-score data and BPM/GmSc data and compares to Kobe/MJ. Unfortuantely doesn't give hard numbers, just relative improvements of each. Lebron trends up, Kobe stays flat, Jordan trends down.

If you boil it down to simple analysis, it makes sense that it'd play out this way. Jordan's mostly relentless assault regardless of who's in front of him. This gives defenses opportunity to adjust the later a series goes on.

Kobe's similar to Jordan, but IMO has a wider bag of tricks and is better at crazy shot-making. He's probably not going to start at as high a level as Jordan, but is harder for defenses to adjust to.

Lebron we've talked about at length, he's clearly learning > adapting in G1-4 and adapting > circumventing in G5-7.

Wait: is this 3 greatest games per player or just by any player?

Because if it's the former there are some very interesting ideas. I guess Kobe would be 2001 G4 vs SAC and G1-2 vs SAS?

[kayess]

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Maybe I miseed this because I thought I saw this posted earlier, but couldn't find it. Some interesting tidbits here and I'm only about 25 mins through it so far. Dudley is definitely going to be a quality media member after he retires.

Non-Lakers thing I found interesting... When Dudley was talking about "The Last Dance" wondering about who in the current league would be most likely to do a Dennis Rodman "Vegas Vacation", the first name that popped in his head was James Harden. I know Harden is known as a Strip Club legend and is a guy who is obviously living up the single life as an extremely rich young guy, but I still found it a little shocking that he was the first name out of Dudley's mouth.

Great podcast. Loved that bit about Bron applauding Vogel for the scouting report. There's some stuff on YT about that too, where the summary of the gameplan vs. the next opp is on some slide

[SideshowBob]

Noo damn man I should. I haven't subscribed to any if any it should be Elgee

Yeah it's the first I've subscribed to. But it'll be on Youtube in a week.

It's "three greatest games ever played by an individual" [consecutively] - Lebron G5-G7 of 16 finals. Just recaps the games, but he goes into Lebron's career-long trend (08-present) of playing much better in G5-7 vs G1-4 of a series. He's got the basic box-score data and BPM/GmSc data and compares to Kobe/MJ. Unfortuantely doesn't give hard numbers, just relative improvements of each. Lebron trends up, Kobe stays flat, Jordan trends down.

If you boil it down to simple analysis, it makes sense that it'd play out this way. Jordan's mostly relentless assault regardless of who's in front of him. This gives defenses opportunity to adjust the later a series goes on.

Kobe's similar to Jordan, but IMO has a wider bag of tricks and is better at crazy shot-making. He's probably not going to start at as high a level as Jordan, but is harder for defenses to adjust to.

Lebron we've talked about at length, he's clearly learning > adapting in G1-4 and adapting > circumventing in G5-7.

Wait: is this 3 greatest games per player or just by any player?

Because if it's the former there are some very interesting ideas. I guess Kobe would be 2001 G4 vs SAC and G1-2 vs SAS?

3 greatest games together straight up by any player. This is his pick given that criteria - I'm sure if you asked his top 3 games overall that'd be a different list.

[xb3at band1tx]

What would you guys say was his best playoff game this season? I'm leaning towards game 5 against Miami but could see an argument for game 5 WCF where he LeBrontoed the nuggets in the 4th.

[SideshowBob]

What would you guys say was his best playoff game this season? I'm leaning towards game 5 against Miami but could see an argument for game 5 WCF where he LeBrontoed the nuggets in the 4th.

Either of those 2 or G3 vs. Houston. His rim protection looked 13/16 esque that game and he had a crazy 1st half scoring wise.

[kayess]

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Kareem actually talking more about off-court stuff is great

[Heej]

You're gonna like ElGee's latest video. You subscribed to his Patreon?

Noo damn man I should. I haven't subscribed to any if any it should be Elgee

Yeah it's the first I've subscribed to. But it'll be on Youtube in a week.

It's "three greatest games ever played by an individual" [consecutively] - Lebron G5-G7 of 16 finals. Just recaps the games, but he goes into Lebron's career-long trend (08-present) of playing much better in G5-7 vs G1-4 of a series. He's got the basic box-score data and BPM/GmSc data and compares to Kobe/MJ. Unfortuantely doesn't give hard numbers, just relative improvements of each. Lebron trends up, Kobe stays flat, Jordan trends down.

If you boil it down to simple analysis, it makes sense that it'd play out this way. Jordan's mostly relentless assault regardless of who's in front of him. This gives defenses opportunity to adjust the later a series goes on.

Kobe's similar to Jordan, but IMO has a wider bag of tricks and is better at crazy shot-making. He's probably not going to start at as high a level as Jordan, but is harder for defenses to adjust to.

Lebron we've talked about at length, he's clearly learning > adapting in G1-4 and adapting > circumventing in G5-7.

Woww that's absolutely fascinating. I feel like we kinda see that with other all time iso scorers like KD and Harden. It's just easier for the defense to adjust to you rather than vice versa. And we all know how LeBron does. Super interesting, and it all makes sense when you know what we know about all 3 of their games. Great stuff Bob, I'm gonna subscribe tonight haha.

[MisterHibachi]

What would you guys say was his best playoff game this season? I'm leaning towards game 5 against Miami but could see an argument for game 5 WCF where he LeBrontoed the nuggets in the 4th.

I would say for sure game 5 against Miami. That game felt like 2018 game 1 through out in terms of the control and dominance he was displaying.

[Heej]

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Kareem actually talking more about off-court stuff is great

As a bball fan it warms my heart to see the deference they have for Kareem. One of basketball's greatest living institutions

[LA Bird]

This is not a good method but just for fun, here are LeBron's highest 3 game playoffs rolling averages by Game Score:
2010 Bulls G2-G4: 38.7 ppg, 10.0 rpg, 9.0 apg, 1.7 spg, 2.0 bpg, 73.6% TS, 3.0 tov
2009 Hawks G3-G4, Magic G1: 41.0 ppg, 8.7 rpg, 8.0 apg, 1.3 spg, 1.3 bpg, 66.6% TS, 2.0 tov
2016 Warriors G5-G7: 36.3 ppg, 11.7 rpg, 9.7 apg, 3.0 spg, 3.0 bpg, 59.0% TS, 2.7 tov
2018 Celtics G6-G7, Warriors G1: 44.0 ppg, 11.3 rpg, 8.7 apg, 1.3 spg, 1.3 bpg, 63.8% TS, 5.3 tov
2018 Raptors G2-G4: 36.7 ppg, 7.3 rpg, 10.7 apg, 2.0 spg, 0.7 bpg, 64.8% TS, 2.3 tov
2020 Blazers G3-G5: 34.7 ppg, 9.3 rpg, 9.3 apg, 1.0 spg, 0.7 bpg, 84.2% TS, 5.0 tov

[SideshowBob]

This is not a good method but just for fun, here are LeBron's highest 3 game playoffs rolling averages by Game Score:
2010 Bulls G2-G4: 38.7 ppg, 10.0 rpg, 9.0 apg, 1.7 spg, 2.0 bpg, 73.6% TS, 3.0 tov
2009 Hawks G3-G4, Magic G1: 41.0 ppg, 8.7 rpg, 8.0 apg, 1.3 spg, 1.3 bpg, 66.6% TS, 2.0 tov
2016 Warriors G5-G7: 36.3 ppg, 11.7 rpg, 9.7 apg, 3.0 spg, 3.0 bpg, 59.0% TS, 2.7 tov
2018 Celtics G6-G7, Warriors G1: 44.0 ppg, 11.3 rpg, 8.7 apg, 1.3 spg, 1.3 bpg, 63.8% TS, 5.3 tov
2018 Raptors G2-G4: 36.7 ppg, 7.3 rpg, 10.7 apg, 2.0 spg, 0.7 bpg, 64.8% TS, 2.3 tov
2020 Blazers G3-G5: 34.7 ppg, 9.3 rpg, 9.3 apg, 1.0 spg, 0.7 bpg, 84.2% TS, 5.0 tov

G3 2010 vs Chicago and G1 2018 vs GS are the only 2 losses in here.

[MisterHibachi]

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[TheGOATRises007]

How much is elgee's pateron monthly?

[thebigbird]

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I have to give Rondo his props for showing up in the postseason, but if I don't have to go through another regular season of him nuking the second unit I won't be upset.

[Baski]

I remember watching this live. This is the lead-in ESPN had to the broadcast of Lebrons first televised high school game. Talk about setting expectations lol

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Wtf Kobe was already a legend in 2002?

[nzahir]

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I have to give Rondo his props for showing up in the postseason, but if I don't have to go through another regular season of him nuking the second unit I won't be upset.

I wonder if we got lucky with his play or if playoff Rondo is real

It seemed like he was giving a lot more effort on both ends and was playing much faster on average

This backcourt is pretty crowded:

Avery (likely opts in), KCP (opts in or comes back for another year I assume until we pay him, but who knows), DG, Caruso

We didn't even add another shooter or a scoring spark plug like we probably should

[Larry David]

still hilarious there were people who thought Heat had the personnel to slow down LeBron lol

crowder and iggy are classic Bron Jobbers

LMFAO whoever coined the phrase 'Lebron Jobber' in this thread legitimately changed my life. Was it you bandit? That s*** cracks me up every single time.

lol yup, for more than half a decade now, I put guys like Milsap, Crowder, Iggy, and Morris in the Bron Jobbers section

PJ Tucker deserves a spot on this list

[Heej]

LMFAO whoever coined the phrase 'Lebron Jobber' in this thread legitimately changed my life. Was it you bandit? That s*** cracks me up every single time.

lol yup, for more than half a decade now, I put guys like Milsap, Crowder, Iggy, and Morris in the Bron Jobbers section

PJ Tucker deserves a spot on this list

[homecourtloss]

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I have to give Rondo his props for showing up in the postseason, but if I don't have to go through another regular season of him nuking the second unit I won't be upset.

I wonder if we got lucky with his play or if playoff Rondo is real

It seemed like he was giving a lot more effort on both ends and was playing much faster on average

This backcourt is pretty crowded:

Avery (likely opts in), KCP (opts in or comes back for another year I assume until we pay him, but who knows), DG, Caruso

We didn't even add another shooter or a scoring spark plug like we probably should

Hard to say.

—His defense was still bad but better than in the regular season.

—He had one of his hottest shooting stretches in his career but he’s seemed to found a sweet spot on that open three, 2 feet behind the line that nobody guards.

—His playmaking paired with AD was really, really good and made up for bad defense. This play making with AD was several tiers above what it was in the regular season.

—His drives to the basket were really good and he seemed quicker than he has been in years which seemd strange.

[homecourtloss]

lol yup, for more than half a decade now, I put guys like Milsap, Crowder, Iggy, and Morris in the Bron Jobbers section

PJ Tucker deserves a spot on this list

That LeBron arm tattoo