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Post#1661 » by Smash3 » Thu Oct 15, 2020 3:25 pm

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3toheadmelo wrote:Nothing wrong about extensions in this game. I actually think it was a great addition. Whoever proposed that rule deserves major props.


Nothing wrong with paying Doncic 10% of the cap for a whole decade huh?

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Nope. If you hit on a draft pick, you should be rewarded for it.


I agree, but the numbers are off, imagine telling KAT in real life his 5 year extension will be 5 million more each season instead of the $190mil deal he signed a season ago :lol:
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Post#1662 » by mpharris36 » Thu Oct 15, 2020 3:26 pm

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3toheadmelo wrote:Nothing wrong about extensions in this game. I actually think it was actually a great addition. Whoever proposed that rule deserves major props.


when you drafting a player even the best of the best you basically are saying you wont see production for at least year 3 because the SIM lags.

People get value out of vet contract later in there contract because the SIM lags. So older guys that have been injured or production seriously decreases they get at least a year or 2 more production then there talent warrants. I don't see the reason to get on a amendment that actually made draft picks worthwhile...otherwise there is no point to drafting a young player since half of there rookie contract is just throwing away that value.

I wish there was extensions for Bam and Tatum too cause they pretty much apply to this. But I’ll live and bring them back either way.


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Post#1663 » by MaseInYourFace » Thu Oct 15, 2020 3:27 pm

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swisscheeseD wrote:Yea, guys in here bitching about Hoffa’s antics...but it was that extension rule that will have much more of a crippling effect on the game.


I was the only one who opposed it vocally though :nonono:


I’ll be honest...I wasn’t paying much attention to it because it didn’t pertain to me, or so I thought, because I still have yet to make a single draft selection...

But seeing these contracts for Luka/Ja and many others...it’s scary to think what this game is going to be like in a few years. It’s almost not even worth the time...


I’m curious cuz I don’t know the full history but how did some of these relatively young guys also end up with such atrocious contracts? I’m talking about the DSJ and Josh Jackson’s of this world.
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Post#1664 » by NewEra » Thu Oct 15, 2020 3:27 pm

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Post#1665 » by mpharris36 » Thu Oct 15, 2020 3:28 pm

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I was the only one who opposed it vocally though :nonono:


I’ll be honest...I wasn’t paying much attention to it because it didn’t pertain to me, or so I thought, because I still have yet to make a single draft selection...

But seeing these contracts for Luka/Ja and many others...it’s scary to think what this game is going to be like in a few years. It’s almost not even worth the time...


I’m curious cuz I don’t know the full history but how did some of these relatively young guys also end up with such atrocious contracts? I’m talking about the DSJ and Josh Jackson’s of this world.


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Post#1666 » by Smash3 » Thu Oct 15, 2020 3:28 pm

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3toheadmelo wrote:Nothing wrong about extensions in this game. I actually think it was a great addition. Whoever proposed that rule deserves major props.


Nothing wrong with paying Doncic 10% of the cap for a whole decade huh?

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Post#1667 » by 3toheadmelo » Thu Oct 15, 2020 3:29 pm

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Nothing wrong with paying Doncic 10% of the cap for a whole decade huh?

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Nope. If you hit on a draft pick, you should be rewarded for it.


I agree, but the numbers are off, imagine telling KAT in real life his 5 year extension will be 5 million more each season instead of the $190mil deal he signed a season ago :lol:

It’s off for sure but it’s a nice reward if you hit on a draft pick. So I can’t complain lol
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Post#1668 » by Manhattan Project » Thu Oct 15, 2020 3:30 pm

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Post#1669 » by NewEra » Thu Oct 15, 2020 3:30 pm

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Nothing wrong with paying Doncic 10% of the cap for a whole decade huh?

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Post#1670 » by mpharris36 » Thu Oct 15, 2020 3:30 pm

we are also talking about the 1% of generational prospects.

Imagine having a normal prospect with a normal development curve. They play ok there rookie year, they start to get better by year 2. And maybe by year 3 they start to emerge as a really good prospect. That means in sim year 4 they will finally be really good value.

Also if you pick a bad player that guy instantly becomes a bad contract. There is plenty of risk to the draft. We seem to be only referencing like 1 or 2 players because they are generationally good.
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Post#1671 » by MaseInYourFace » Thu Oct 15, 2020 3:31 pm

mpharris36 wrote:
MaseInYourFace wrote:
swisscheeseD wrote:
I’ll be honest...I wasn’t paying much attention to it because it didn’t pertain to me, or so I thought, because I still have yet to make a single draft selection...

But seeing these contracts for Luka/Ja and many others...it’s scary to think what this game is going to be like in a few years. It’s almost not even worth the time...


I’m curious cuz I don’t know the full history but how did some of these relatively young guys also end up with such atrocious contracts? I’m talking about the DSJ and Josh Jackson’s of this world.


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Post#1672 » by mpharris36 » Thu Oct 15, 2020 3:32 pm

MaseInYourFace wrote:
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MaseInYourFace wrote:
I’m curious cuz I don’t know the full history but how did some of these relatively young guys also end up with such atrocious contracts? I’m talking about the DSJ and Josh Jackson’s of this world.


Hi Melo!


Frank at 170/2 stands out too...


:o

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Post#1673 » by Manhattan Project » Thu Oct 15, 2020 3:33 pm

mpharris36 wrote:we are also talking about the 1% of generational prospects.

Imagine having a normal prospect with a normal development curve. They play ok there rookie year, they start to get better by year 2. And maybe by year 3 they start to emerge as a really good prospect. That means in sim year 4 they will finally be really good value.

Also if you pick a bad player that guy instantly becomes a bad contract. There is plenty of risk to the draft. We seem to be only referencing like 1 or 2 players because they are generationally good.


Or you could have a Robinson/Herro situation and even if they're just role players, they're on fantastic contracts regardless. Though I heard a rumor that Mitch is just a rim runner, so Context might've overpaid on that one.
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Post#1674 » by MaseInYourFace » Thu Oct 15, 2020 3:35 pm

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Hi Melo!


Frank at 170/2 stands out too...


:o

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Could y'all explain in as a concise way as possible how that happened? Because there is clearly a big scale difference between the rookie classes.
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Post#1675 » by Manhattan Project » Thu Oct 15, 2020 3:36 pm

MaseInYourFace wrote:
mpharris36 wrote:
MaseInYourFace wrote:
Frank at 170/2 stands out too...


:o

good thing I didn't give him that contract...I took it on to get assets!


Could y'all explain in as a concise way as possible how that happened? Because there is clearly a big scale difference between the rookie classes.


The 2017 NBA draft was included in the league wide auction where we all bid on all the players in the NBA. That's why those rookies have some crazy contracts.
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Post#1676 » by 3toheadmelo » Thu Oct 15, 2020 3:37 pm

MaseInYourFace wrote:
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I was the only one who opposed it vocally though :nonono:


I’ll be honest...I wasn’t paying much attention to it because it didn’t pertain to me, or so I thought, because I still have yet to make a single draft selection...

But seeing these contracts for Luka/Ja and many others...it’s scary to think what this game is going to be like in a few years. It’s almost not even worth the time...


I’m curious cuz I don’t know the full history but how did some of these relatively young guys also end up with such atrocious contracts? I’m talking about the DSJ and Josh Jackson’s of this world.

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When we first started BAF, all of the players was available auction style. We didn’t have a draft for rookies. Nobody knew what they was doing cause this was new to us so.. a lot of overpays happened lol. I was supposed to land Josh Jackson for much cheaper than what his current contract is right now, but a literal last minute bid happened and then the price just kept going higher and higher. So I got Josh Jackson for a terrible price. My plan was to form a super team of DSJ, Josh Jackson, Tatum, Bam and aim for Ayton in next year’s draft. I was pretty much the only team with all rookies. Didn’t hit on all of them but I stayed patient and trusted the process...
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Post#1678 » by mpharris36 » Thu Oct 15, 2020 3:38 pm

Manhattan Project wrote:
mpharris36 wrote:we are also talking about the 1% of generational prospects.

Imagine having a normal prospect with a normal development curve. They play ok there rookie year, they start to get better by year 2. And maybe by year 3 they start to emerge as a really good prospect. That means in sim year 4 they will finally be really good value.

Also if you pick a bad player that guy instantly becomes a bad contract. There is plenty of risk to the draft. We seem to be only referencing like 1 or 2 players because they are generationally good.


Or you could have a Robinson/Herro situation and even if they're just role players, they're on fantastic contracts regardless. Though I heard a rumor that Mitch is just a rim runner, so Context might've overpaid on that one.


absolutely. But look at the other picks around them. Those instantly get perceived as bad value contracts...because there are even vets that are underpaid.

We had Slicin paying Spencer Dinwiddie $1 for 3 years. If you get great value you did your homework and probably also got a bit lucky.
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Post#1679 » by MaseInYourFace » Thu Oct 15, 2020 3:39 pm

Manhattan Project wrote:
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:o

good thing I didn't give him that contract...I took it on to get assets!


Could y'all explain in as a concise way as possible how that happened? Because there is clearly a big scale difference between the rookie classes.


The 2017 NBA draft was included in the league wide auction where we all bid on all the players in the NBA. That's why those rookies have some crazy contracts.


Oh damn. I guess it was "fair" since those were the rules of the game and the consensus was with it. But I would think a one time scaling back on an agreed upon proportion would help. Crazy, lol.
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Post#1680 » by mpharris36 » Thu Oct 15, 2020 3:41 pm

MaseInYourFace wrote:
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Frank at 170/2 stands out too...


:o

good thing I didn't give him that contract...I took it on to get assets!


Could y'all explain in as a concise way as possible how that happened? Because there is clearly a big scale difference between the rookie classes.


when we started the first year every eligible player in the NBA was put into an auction style draft with no cap for a specific player. You just couldn't exceed $1000 team salary.

I think you saw major overpays on young players because no one knew how the sim would react to young players...and it wasn't nice :lol:
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