2020 Presidential Election Thread: The Homestretch

[HarthorneWingo]

YOU COMPLETELY IGNORE how NY State pays far more in taxes to the Federal government than it receives back in services and money - the exact opposite of all the red states.

And?
How would higher federal tax rates help NY residents?
You know what would help me? Lowering my NYC income tax rate instead of spending literally billions on failed public programs/ successful money washing schemes like thrivenyc.

Did you not understand what I wrote, or did you purposely misconstrue it?

Very clearly, were the Federal Government to return to NY money and services in the same population ratios that it is given to almost every red state, NYS could then maintain its higher level of programs with far lower state taxes. I didn't mention funding failed program,s nor did I say anything at all about higher Federal taxes. If you'd like to continue this discussion, I'd be happy to do so provided you respond to what I write and not create any straw men or false premise arguments.

BKlutch for Nassau County Executive.

[BKlutch]

Hey - Biden is actually makeing pretty good sense tonight. He wants to defund the oil industry, not ban fracking, but removing tax incentive they receive to produce oil. Pretty cool.

He was also very clear about removing Trump's tax breaks for the top 1%, or those with over $400,000 annual income. He would not increase taxes on those of us who earn less than that. Anybody here earn over $400K/year and think his tax breaks should be funded by the taxes on those who earn less?

[BKlutch]

And?
How would higher federal tax rates help NY residents?
You know what would help me? Lowering my NYC income tax rate instead of spending literally billions on failed public programs/ successful money washing schemes like thrivenyc.

Did you not understand what I wrote, or did you purposely misconstrue it?

Very clearly, were the Federal Government to return to NY money and services in the same population ratios that it is given to almost every red state, NYS could then maintain its higher level of programs with far lower state taxes. I didn't mention funding failed program,s nor did I say anything at all about higher Federal taxes. If you'd like to continue this discussion, I'd be happy to do so provided you respond to what I write and not create any straw men or false premise arguments.

BKlutch for Nassau County Executive.

Would I have to live there to run?

[HarthorneWingo]

Did you not understand what I wrote, or did you purposely misconstrue it?

Very clearly, were the Federal Government to return to NY money and services in the same population ratios that it is given to almost every red state, NYS could then maintain its higher level of programs with far lower state taxes. I didn't mention funding failed program,s nor did I say anything at all about higher Federal taxes. If you'd like to continue this discussion, I'd be happy to do so provided you respond to what I write and not create any straw men or false premise arguments.

BKlutch for Nassau County Executive.

Would I have to live there to run?

When you're finished taking your pee you'll need to move back home then. There's big work to be done here.

[frothbrain]

Did you not understand what I wrote, or did you purposely misconstrue it?

Very clearly, were the Federal Government to return to NY money and services in the same population ratios that it is given to almost every red state, NYS could then maintain its higher level of programs with far lower state taxes. I didn't mention funding failed program,s nor did I say anything at all about higher Federal taxes. If you'd like to continue this discussion, I'd be happy to do so provided you respond to what I write and not create any straw men or false premise arguments.

https://wallethub.com/edu/states-most-least-dependent-on-the-federal-government/2700

NYS govt is the 15th most dependent state on federal spending.
What are you even arguing?

Tax revenue is not the problem. Look at the relative tax revenue of other cities and what they are able to accomplish.

Free gibs mentality doesn't work without accountability.

[HarthorneWingo]

Did you not understand what I wrote, or did you purposely misconstrue it?

Very clearly, were the Federal Government to return to NY money and services in the same population ratios that it is given to almost every red state, NYS could then maintain its higher level of programs with far lower state taxes. I didn't mention funding failed program,s nor did I say anything at all about higher Federal taxes. If you'd like to continue this discussion, I'd be happy to do so provided you respond to what I write and not create any straw men or false premise arguments.

https://wallethub.com/edu/states-most-least-dependent-on-the-federal-government/2700

NYS govt is the 15th most dependent state on federal spending.
What are you even arguing?

Tax revenue is not the problem. Look at the relative tax revenue of other cities and what they are able to accomplish.

Free gibs mentality doesn't work without accountability.

How do you have me quoting something BKlutch wrote?

[BKlutch]

BKlutch for Nassau County Executive.

Would I have to live there to run?

When you're finished taking your pee you'll need to move back home then. There's big work to be done here.

Does the Nassau County Exective get to appoint an Attorney General? You'd be very qualified for that. Could you also prosecute people who troll on the Knicks board, or will you have to limit yourself to investigating Russian interference in the Nassau County elections?

[Pointgod]

I don't know why everyone is so mad about the town hall situation.

The more Trump goes on TV, the worse things get for him.

I’m watching the Biden town hall to boost his numbers and getting Covita’s idiotic highlights on twitter

Thank you for doing that.

The NY Times has a running commentary on both town halls.
It's going just as you'd expect.
I was very pleased with Biden's comments on court packing. Trump's inability to rise above his own character flaws continues unabated.

I’ve been tuning in to covidiot between commercial breaks and yeah went about as expected. Lies lies and more lies. He pivoted from a question about DACA to talking about the wall and how Mexico is infected. He also couldn’t differentiate between DACA and Dreamers.... he said they’re different.

[BKlutch]

Biden just said he really believes we have the best opportunity to move forward as a nation because people have really learned the lessons of the last four years and understand what's at stake. He said we have the best chance to "Own the 21st Century - and we can only do that if we're not divided."

In repsonse to a question for the audience, he said he believes Trump is incapable of learning and growing from experience.

He has been fluid, articulate, and making good points than not only inspire but also provide comfort after the horrors of the past administraiton.

[stuporman]

So it's ok that the most deluded, lying, cheating, fraudulent, corrupt, hateful, bigoted President that ever was in office continues to destroy the country because that'll teach what to who exactly? There's a phrase 'cutting off the nose to spite the face' but this is more like blowing off your head to spite your nose.

I've enjoyed reading many things you've written.

This post deserves to be nominated for the best one you've ever made.

Watch on YouTube

[BKlutch]

I missed most of the Trump performance. I read that he yelled at his questioners. Is this true?

I'd have no peronal knowledge of that, but would you have any reaon at all to doubt it's true?

[Pointgod]

For my Progressive friends

Read on Twitter

[frothbrain]

Hey - Biden is actually makeing pretty good sense tonight. He wants to defund the oil industry, not ban fracking, but removing tax incentive they receive to produce oil. Pretty cool.

He was also very clear about removing Trump's tax breaks for the top 1%, or those with over $400,000 annual income. He would not increase taxes on those of us who earn less than that. Anybody here earn over $400K/year and think his tax breaks should be funded by the taxes on those who earn less?

income tax brackets don't work that way. not arguing for lowering the top tax bracket but your argument is facetious.
and a 37% federal rate seems reasonable relative to other countries when you have to account for all other forms of taxes levied.

Why doesn't he address the specific real estate tax loopholes congress has written into the laws that allowed Trump to skirt the federal income tax? Couldn't be because he and his colleagues also make use of the same loopholes that they originally were responsible for passing?

Taxes for thee but not for me.

[Pointgod]

Biden just said he really believes we have the best opportunity to move forward as a nation because people have really learned the lessons of the last four years and understand what's at stake. He said we have the best chance to "Own the 21st Century - and we can only do that if we're not divided."

In repsonse to a question for the audience, he said he believes Trump is incapable of learning and growing from experience.

He has been fluid, articulate, and making good points than not only inspire but also provide comfort after the horrors of the past administraiton.

I’m convinced that people on the right and left that even question whether Biden is the better option have their opinions formed by Twitter, Facebook and YouTube pundits. I encourage people to actually watch any of Biden’s appearances from start to finish and they’ll see all of what you’ve pointed out. Trump’s support is simply a factor of the deranged social media ecosystem.

[BKlutch]

As reported in the NY Times today, Senator Ben Sasse had a Nebraska town hall and made the following incredible statement about Trump:

Senator Ben Sasse, Republican of Nebraska, castigated President Trump in a telephone town hall with constituents on Wednesday, accusing the president of bungling the response to the coronavirus pandemic, cozying up to dictators and white supremacists, and offending voters so broadly that he might cause a “Republican blood bath” in the Senate.

In a dire, nine-minute indictment of Mr. Trump’s foreign policy and what Mr. Sasse called his “deficient” values, the senator said the president had mistreated women and alienated important allies around the globe, been a profligate spender, ignored human rights and treated the pandemic like a “P.R. crisis.” He predicted that a loss by Mr. Trump on Election Day, less than three weeks away, “looks likely,” and said that Republicans would face steep repercussions for having backed him so staunchly over four tumultuous years.

So today, both Rupert Murdoch and Sen. Sasse predicted a Trum loss.

[Pointgod]

Hey - Biden is actually makeing pretty good sense tonight. He wants to defund the oil industry, not ban fracking, but removing tax incentive they receive to produce oil. Pretty cool.

He was also very clear about removing Trump's tax breaks for the top 1%, or those with over $400,000 annual income. He would not increase taxes on those of us who earn less than that. Anybody here earn over $400K/year and think his tax breaks should be funded by the taxes on those who earn less?

income tax brackets don't work that way. not arguing for lowering the top tax bracket but your argument is facetious.
and a 37% federal rate seems reasonable relative to other countries when you have to account for all other forms of taxes levied.

Why doesn't he address the specific real estate tax loopholes congress has written into the laws that allowed Trump to skirt the federal income tax? Couldn't be because he and his colleagues also make use of the same loopholes that they originally were responsible for passing?

Taxes for thee but not for me.

Probably because that’s for Congress to close as part of a potential Biden tax plan.

[Pointgod]

As reported in the NY Times today, Senator Ben Sasse had a Nebraska town hall and made the following incredible statement about Trump:

Senator Ben Sasse, Republican of Nebraska, castigated President Trump in a telephone town hall with constituents on Wednesday, accusing the president of bungling the response to the coronavirus pandemic, cozying up to dictators and white supremacists, and offending voters so broadly that he might cause a “Republican blood bath” in the Senate.

In a dire, nine-minute indictment of Mr. Trump’s foreign policy and what Mr. Sasse called his “deficient” values, the senator said the president had mistreated women and alienated important allies around the globe, been a profligate spender, ignored human rights and treated the pandemic like a “P.R. crisis.” He predicted that a loss by Mr. Trump on Election Day, less than three weeks away, “looks likely,” and said that Republicans would face steep repercussions for having backed him so staunchly over four tumultuous years.

Listen to the audio yourself. I see a future Lincoln Project ad here.

Read on Twitter

[HarthorneWingo]

Would I have to live there to run?

When you're finished taking your pee you'll need to move back home then. There's big work to be done here.

Does the Nassau County Exective get to appoint an Attorney General? You'd be very qualified for that. Could you also prosecute people who troll on the Knicks board, or will you have to limit yourself to investigating Russian interference in the Nassau County elections?

The CE can appoint a County Attorney. Nice job. AG is for when you become Governor BKlutch.

[BKlutch]

As reported in the NY Times today, Senator Ben Sasse had a Nebraska town hall and made the following incredible statement about Trump:

Senator Ben Sasse, Republican of Nebraska, castigated President Trump in a telephone town hall with constituents on Wednesday, accusing the president of bungling the response to the coronavirus pandemic, cozying up to dictators and white supremacists, and offending voters so broadly that he might cause a “Republican blood bath” in the Senate.

In a dire, nine-minute indictment of Mr. Trump’s foreign policy and what Mr. Sasse called his “deficient” values, the senator said the president had mistreated women and alienated important allies around the globe, been a profligate spender, ignored human rights and treated the pandemic like a “P.R. crisis.” He predicted that a loss by Mr. Trump on Election Day, less than three weeks away, “looks likely,” and said that Republicans would face steep repercussions for having backed him so staunchly over four tumultuous years.

Listen to the audio yourself. I see a future Lincoln Project ad here.

Read on Twitter

It's time for the rats to leave the sinking ship.

[Pointgod]

As reported in the NY Times today, Senator Ben Sasse had a Nebraska town hall and made the following incredible statement about Trump:

Listen to the audio yourself. I see a future Lincoln Project ad here.

Read on Twitter

It's time for the rats to leave the sinking ship.

I hope someone plays that recording on the floor of the Senate and then point out that Sasse chose to acquit Trump during impeachment and he’s voting to confirm his SC judge.