shangrila wrote:Neeva wrote:I aee Vessell falling hard now, but i dont even know if I take him at 17...
Seriously? I'd take him and run at 17. You can't teach his defensive instincts.
His shooting form is awful
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shangrila wrote:Neeva wrote:I aee Vessell falling hard now, but i dont even know if I take him at 17...
Seriously? I'd take him and run at 17. You can't teach his defensive instincts.
minimus wrote:shangrila wrote:Neeva wrote:I aee Vessell falling hard now, but i dont even know if I take him at 17...
Seriously? I'd take him and run at 17. You can't teach his defensive instincts.
His shooting form is awful
shangrila wrote:minimus wrote:shangrila wrote:Seriously? I'd take him and run at 17. You can't teach his defensive instincts.
His shooting form is awful
And that's fixable.
Jedzz wrote:\Neeva wrote:I aee Vessell falling hard now, but i dont even know if I take him at 17...
to the undrafted bin!
Domejandro wrote:As somebody who has actually watched tape on LaMelo Ball, the repeatedly lame talking points surrounding his potential are killing me. I have explained it multiple times, but the dude objectively has an incredibly intriguing skillset, as a player. Dude is a passing phenom, creative finisher, has a pretty floater, and isn't the guaranteed defensive atrocity that people keep lazily assuming (he is bad because of technique, but has had flashes).
What is particularly intriguing is that, until his time in Australia, he had never received any real basketball training (dude didn't even perform a three-man weave, up until that point). His form is an atrocity, but it is encouraging that he is willing to shoot the ball; even becoming a mediocre shooter would immediately propel him to being a solid player.
There is certainly bust potential, but there is a reason why teams are interested in him. LaMelo Ball has MASSIVE flaws, but if there was not the background noise of his father existing, basketball fans would be far less ridiculous with their takes on him.
shangrila wrote:Neeva wrote:I aee Vessell falling hard now, but i dont even know if I take him at 17...
Seriously? I'd take him and run at 17. You can't teach his defensive instincts.
Klomp wrote:Jedzz wrote:Domejandro wrote: LaMelo Ball has MASSIVE flaws, but if there was not the background noise of his father existing, basketball fans would be far less ridiculous with their takes on him.
Because he would be an undrafted project and people wouldn't have to describe how sickoning it is to risk a #1 overall on such a project?
This is exactly the type of talk Domejandro is talking about. Zero chance LaMelo would go undrafted.
Neeva wrote:shangrila wrote:Neeva wrote:I aee Vessell falling hard now, but i dont even know if I take him at 17...
Seriously? I'd take him and run at 17. You can't teach his defensive instincts.
But Okogie and Culver have the same strengths ? It really depends on who is left at 17 .
I expect at least 3 players of the group of Vessell, Terry, Maxey, Saddiq Bey, Pokusevski and Anthony to be on board at 17, it will be a tough decision for Rosas.
shangrila wrote:Domejandro wrote:As somebody who has actually watched tape on LaMelo Ball, the repeatedly lame talking points surrounding his potential are killing me. I have explained it multiple times, but the dude objectively has an incredibly intriguing skillset, as a player. Dude is a passing phenom, creative finisher, has a pretty floater, and isn't the guaranteed defensive atrocity that people keep lazily assuming (he is bad because of technique, but has had flashes).
What is particularly intriguing is that, until his time in Australia, he had never received any real basketball training (dude didn't even perform a three-man weave, up until that point). His form is an atrocity, but it is encouraging that he is willing to shoot the ball; even becoming a mediocre shooter would immediately propel him to being a solid player.
There is certainly bust potential, but there is a reason why teams are interested in him. LaMelo Ball has MASSIVE flaws, but if there was not the background noise of his father existing, basketball fans would be far less ridiculous with their takes on him.
See, I don't buy the hype about his finishing.
I saw a handful of his games and he never struck me as a good finisher or even someone with great touch. He constantly whiffed on layups, mainly because he had to double pump, change hands, behind the back every single one of them, but even on basic ones he would just...fail. It's been the most disconcerting part of him as a prospect to me and something that makes me feel crazy because it seems I'm the only one who notices it.
I mean, defence I agree isn't as bad as people have made out, the shooting could get to average, forcing passes and poor decision making should refine with time. But the touch around the rim? That'll be harder. You'll have to break him out of the mindset he developed for years about making it look as pretty as possible for the 'gram instead of ensuring it actually goes in.
Domejandro wrote:As somebody who has actually watched tape on LaMelo Ball, the repeatedly lame talking points surrounding his potential are killing me. I have explained it multiple times, but the dude objectively has an incredibly intriguing skillset, as a player. Dude is a passing phenom, creative finisher, has a pretty floater, and isn't the guaranteed defensive atrocity that people keep lazily assuming (he is bad because of technique, but has had flashes).
What is particularly intriguing is that, until his time in Australia, he had never received any real basketball training (dude didn't even perform a three-man weave, up until that point). His form is an atrocity, but it is encouraging that he is willing to shoot the ball; even becoming a mediocre shooter would immediately propel him to being a solid player.
There is certainly bust potential, but there is a reason why teams are interested in him. LaMelo Ball has MASSIVE flaws, but if there was not the background noise of his father existing, basketball fans would be far less ridiculous with their takes on him.
jpatrick wrote:Just saw the Vassell video. He always had an unorthodox form, which made me question if it would translate to NBA distance, defender length, and shooting off movement, but it looks even worse now. If that was his response to generate more power to make the NBA 3, it’s not going to work.
Neeva wrote:Jedzz wrote:\Neeva wrote:I aee Vessell falling hard now, but i dont even know if I take him at 17...
to the undrafted bin!
Someone will take a chance on him in the first I am sure but did you even look at that workout clip? His form
And shot looked scarily Fultz-like and he is not good ballhandler or offense creator plus he looks weak.
Neeva wrote: Gotta look past the boxscores on this one.
jpatrick wrote:Just saw the Vassell video. He always had an unorthodox form, which made me question if it would translate to NBA distance, defender length, and shooting off movement, but it looks even worse now. If that was his response to generate more power to make the NBA 3, it’s not going to work.
jpatrick wrote:
Go watch his games, not the stats. They are on online in their entirety. He had massive holes but he also had by far the greatest star potential to me.
Jedzz wrote:jpatrick wrote:
Go watch his games, not the stats. They are on online in their entirety. He had massive holes but he also had by far the greatest star potential to me.
Was he cleaning his shoes and showing off in Australia league? I hope he makes it and does well. If not, harlem globetrotters would be fun too.
minimus wrote:Ty Terry and Vassell are two perfect examples of how one video of pre-draft workouts can affect your draft stock. For MIN, I don't think that we should consider Vassell if we trade down. I think we can get the same defense impact from Culver/Okogie duo, and his broken 3pt shot does not seem to be an NBA ready skill.
jpatrick wrote:Jedzz wrote:jpatrick wrote:
Go watch his games, not the stats. They are on online in their entirety. He had massive holes but he also had by far the greatest star potential to me.
Was he cleaning his shoes and showing off in Australia league? I hope he makes it and does well. If not, harlem globetrotters would be fun too.
You never did anything stupid when you were 14? Add in the idiocy his dad preaches, I’m surprised he and his brothers appear to now have their heads on as straight as they do.
Jedzz wrote:jpatrick wrote:Jedzz wrote:
Was he cleaning his shoes and showing off in Australia league? I hope he makes it and does well. If not, harlem globetrotters would be fun too.
You never did anything stupid when you were 14? Add in the idiocy his dad preaches, I’m surprised he and his brothers appear to now have their heads on as straight as they do.
Who's talking about 14. I asked if he's still doing things like that now.
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