Miami Heat Speculation Thread - 2020 and beyond...

[RonaldSeikaly]

Not able to read Sham's actual article on The Atlantic due to their pay wall, so it would be great if someone with a subscription can post if there is anything specific he's referring to or just plain speculation.

Edit: Oops, meant to say The Athletic! - https://theathletic.com/2140002/2020/10/15/nba-free-agency-news-and-rumors-anthony-davis-and-lakers-decisions-heat-contracts-and-more-goran-dragic-news/

Nothing particularly interesting. We want to resign Goran. Somebody is going to pay DJJ. And rival teams are watching to see if how we handle the Bam extension blows up in our face.


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Thank you! So nothing on Giannis/Heat? Wonder what that Bleacher report tweet was about then

It did say that the reason we would like not to extend Bam this year is because we want to go all in on Giannis.


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[carnageta]

Cousins for the MLE? Guy can’t even stay on the court and he’s one of the worse defenders when healthy(which is almost never). The Warriors had the same idea; give Cousins time to heal during the season and play him during the playoffs. He was able to play in the finals but he did suffer an injury that kept him out for the majority of the playoffs.

Exactly, and what did the Warriors lose? Nothing at all. It was a low risk/high reward situation.

If we miss out on some of the other big named dudes (i.e. Ibaka/Gallo), then by all means Cousins for the MLE makes sense, imo.

Not saying he'll be the 'piece' that gets us back to the finals, but he can certainly be a contributor (i.e. Kelly Olynyk role).


Offering him multiple years wouldn't make sense. Offering him a significant portion of your cap space would not make sense. But the mere MLE, for a young guy who put up 16 and 7 while hobbled, seems like a risk worth considering..

Why would we waste our $9 MLE on Cousins when he only got $5.3M from the Warriors two years ago and only $3.5M from the Lakers last year. Pat Riley would have to lose his mind if he were to give him more than he made the last two years combine. I would take a chance on him for the veteran minimum but we need a solid rotational player for the MLE.

The Warriors had KD, Thompson, Curry, Green and were coming off a championship that year so they were able to take a chance on him. Unlike the Warriors we don’t have four all stars so we need so someone who’s dependable and who we can count on to play most of the regular season and the playoffs.

I never said we have to offer him the MLE. I said the MLE would be the highest I would consider Cousins at.

Getting him for 5m and under is certainly possible. Tell me, who would you rather have than Cousins for 5m? Because all of the other guys who are available and dependable and who can actually be real difference makers, are all going to go for much more.

No reason we can’t Ibaka for 1 year along with Cousins after trading for Olapido.

[Miami590]

Exactly, and what did the Warriors lose? Nothing at all. It was a low risk/high reward situation.

If we miss out on some of the other big named dudes (i.e. Ibaka/Gallo), then by all means Cousins for the MLE makes sense, imo.

Not saying he'll be the 'piece' that gets us back to the finals, but he can certainly be a contributor (i.e. Kelly Olynyk role).


Offering him multiple years wouldn't make sense. Offering him a significant portion of your cap space would not make sense. But the mere MLE, for a young guy who put up 16 and 7 while hobbled, seems like a risk worth considering..

Why would we waste our $9 MLE on Cousins when he only got $5.3M from the Warriors two years ago and only $3.5M from the Lakers last year. Pat Riley would have to lose his mind if he were to give him more than he made the last two years combine. I would take a chance on him for the veteran minimum but we need a solid rotational player for the MLE.

The Warriors had KD, Thompson, Curry, Green and were coming off a championship that year so they were able to take a chance on him. Unlike the Warriors we don’t have four all stars so we need so someone who’s dependable and who we can count on to play most of the regular season and the playoffs.

I never said we have to offer him the MLE. I said the MLE would be the highest I would consider Cousins at.

Getting him for 5m and under is certainly possible. Tell me, who would you rather have than Cousins for 5m? Because all of the other guys who are available and dependable and who can actually be real difference makers, are all going to go for much more.

No reason we can’t Ibaka for 1 year along with Cousins after trading for Olapido.

$5 Million is still too much. Not even the Lakers gave him that last year so what has he done in a year to deserve a pay raise. To be perfectly honest with you, I would rather have Baynes or re-sign Leonard for that $5M instead. At least they’ll be able to play more than half the games next year.

[insfo]

Nerlens Noel is a UFA. That's someone I'd love to see us roll the dice on and hope he picks up DJJ's regular season minutes.

[Wiltside]

I'd be fine with Noel too, although the spacing issues would still be there. Realistically, he'd only be able to expect around 15 mins a night here given Bam is going to play a lot of minutes and you can't really play them both together. He can probably get greater opportunity elsewhere.

[HeatIn5]

Ohh I do like Noel in those backup minutes. Bam around 32-35 throughout reg season, noel gets 13-16 a night rim running. Definitely a nice Ibaka consolation prize, imagine him on the min though

Dipo/Dragon
Dunc/BBGoat
Yimms/Kezie
Crowder/Ibaka
Bam/Noel


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[DayofMourning]

So fantasy, but adding Ibaka AND Noel would make me happy.

[3ballbomber]

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[twix2500]

PG: Oladipo - Dragic
SG: Butler - Herro
SF: Robinson - Iguodala
PF: Adebayo - Okpala
Ce: Ibaka - Saric

I'm game

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[DayofMourning]

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The whole bench thing bewilders me. If you're playing 30 minutes a game, why does it matter?

[3ballbomber]

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The whole bench thing bewilders me. If you're playing 30 minutes a game, why does it matter?

Moral of the story, rather than be upset & let it affect him negatively, he accepted it & found a way to motivate himself by aiming for 6th man of the yr. As a result, instead of letting it defeat him, he grew from the experience. In the end he was met w/ good Karma & found his way back to the starting role, where he reveled in the opportunity & helped his team reach the NBA finals.

[RexBoyWonder]

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IF we can make sure he's not a Hassan type headcase,

And IF we can make sure it won't jeopardize our max cap spot for 2021-2022...

Got to admit he looks good. But a lot of IF's.

[HeatingUp3]

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IF we can make sure he's not a Hassan type headcase,

And IF we can make sure it won't jeopardize our max cap spot for 2021-2022...

Got to admit he looks good. But a lot of IF's.

He went crazy after the Drummond trade. Could be a steal for cheap. Ill take the chance. He can space the court as well.

[HeatingUp3]

Why is everyone so sure Indiana will trade us Oladipo?

[twix2500]

Why is everyone so sure Indiana will trade us Oladipo?

No one is sure. It will be a tough negotiation, the key is if Oladipo does what Dragic and Butler did and request a trade to the Heat prior to the start of the season hopefully before the draft.

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[twix2500]

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IF we can make sure he's not a Hassan type headcase,

And IF we can make sure it won't jeopardize our max cap spot for 2021-2022...

Got to admit he looks good. But a lot of IF's.

The reason I'm not interested in Woods is because I'm more interested in KZ who would play the same role.

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[greg4012]

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IF we can make sure he's not a Hassan type headcase,

And IF we can make sure it won't jeopardize our max cap spot for 2021-2022...

Got to admit he looks good. But a lot of IF's.

What I like best is that all indications is his game will fit. It will be complementary of our system and of Bam.

He can space the floor (need assurance the 3 ball wasn't a fluke). He's a strong pick and roll finisher. He can be tasked with more of a rim protection role. He can survive switching on the perimeter. Plus, he's young with upside.

No one has ever believed in him or developed him yet. Detroit was the first period of sustained development for him. THat does beg the question--why?

[greg4012]

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IF we can make sure he's not a Hassan type headcase,

And IF we can make sure it won't jeopardize our max cap spot for 2021-2022...

Got to admit he looks good. But a lot of IF's.

The reason I'm not interested in Woods is because I'm more interested in KZ who would play the same role.

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KZ isn't a center tho. Woods is a modern flex big (PF/C). KZ is a modern flex forward (SF/PF). We can use them both IMO.

There's no track record of KZ as a rim runner or PnR roll-man. There's no track record of KZ as a rim protector or defender of big men.

For me, KZ's projected role is what DJJ was filling, but with more upside

[RexBoyWonder]

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IF we can make sure he's not a Hassan type headcase,

And IF we can make sure it won't jeopardize our max cap spot for 2021-2022...

Got to admit he looks good. But a lot of IF's.

The reason I'm not interested in Woods is because I'm more interested in KZ who would play the same role.

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KZ isn't a center tho. Woods is a modern flex big (PF/C). KZ is a modern flex forward (SF/PF). We can use them both IMO.

There's no track record of KZ as a rim runner or PnR roll-man. There's no track record of KZ as a rim protector or defender of big men.

For me, KZ's projected role is what DJJ was filling, but with more upside

Im very Iffy about Wood, but I agree him and KZ are different types.

KZ to me is potentially, If everything goes great and we get lucky - a Brandon Ingram type guy. Super long wing that can play the 4. KZ probably is more of a defensive guy then Ingram, with less scoring talent but hopefully tougher stronger more versatile.

Wood looks more like Skinny C, He's bigger, more basic with his moves, but more physically imposing. If his 3 point shot is real, he's going to score a lot of point going forward.

Given his path, I highly suspect he has serious character issues, because the talent is there and no team wanted to keep him.

[greg4012]

The reason I'm not interested in Woods is because I'm more interested in KZ who would play the same role.

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KZ isn't a center tho. Woods is a modern flex big (PF/C). KZ is a modern flex forward (SF/PF). We can use them both IMO.

There's no track record of KZ as a rim runner or PnR roll-man. There's no track record of KZ as a rim protector or defender of big men.

For me, KZ's projected role is what DJJ was filling, but with more upside

Im very Iffy about Wood, but I agree him and KZ are different types.

KZ to me is potentially, If everything goes great and we get lucky - a Brandon Ingram type guy. Super long wing that can play the 4. KZ probably is more of a defensive guy then Ingram, with less scoring talent but hopefully tougher stronger more versatile.

Wood looks more like Skinny C, He's bigger, more basic with his moves, but more physically imposing. If his 3 point shot is real, he's going to score a lot of point going forward.

Given his path, I highly suspect he has serious character issues, because the talent is there and no team wanted to keep him.

I'm posting a bit about Wood because he is intriguing as hell, while also being a unique circumstance that promising young talent on an upward trajectory is an UFA. That's not common.

But, don't get me wrong. I'm still iffy on him. A lot of uncertainty and it can easily become cost prohibitive. He's just one of the more intriguing options and if he's legit it's a damn good fit.