Trade Ideas Thread, 2020-21

[100proof]

Where did you see this?? I haven't seen any rumors like this anywhere.

He also didn't make it sound like Kemba was part of the deal, but anything is possible, I guess (though I'd still be extremely surprised if we moved Kemba).

Maybe I misused the word Rumor.

But there is ideas floating around the internet of Kemba to Spurs for Aldridge and Murray.

I would do that deal! Kemba healthy or not makes no difference. He will continue to be a liablity defensively, and teams will continue to target him especially in the playoffs.

Me too.

Aldridge still defends excellently, and now shoots three 3s a game at 39% average. Smart vet mentor as well.

Although if I could choose between Aldridge or Wiseman I pick Wiseman. But I think that GSW would really like having Aldridge in a flip for the #2.

[Triple7]

Maybe I misused the word Rumor.

But there is ideas floating around the internet of Kemba to Spurs for Aldridge and Murray.

I would do that deal! Kemba healthy or not makes no difference. He will continue to be a liablity defensively, and teams will continue to target him especially in the playoffs.

Me too.

Aldridge still defends excellently, and now shoots three 3s a game at 39% average. Smart vet mentor as well.

Although if I could choose between Aldridge or Wiseman I pick Wiseman. But I think that GSW would really like having Aldridge in a flip for the #2.

SAS gets: Kemba and Kevin Looney and protected first from Boston, Minny pick from GSW
GSW gets: Murray, Theis, #14
Boston gets: Aldridge and #2

Wiseman of course. We need an upgrade at the 5 asap. And we are not winning anything with Kemba as out point guard. Maybe we could trade Kemba and Hayward for a big and a point guard like Jrue holiday.

[GoCeltics123]

Ok, so since the Hawks guy just gave a Celtics update, I'll post it on here (like I've said before, be careful about putting his info about everything on this board):

Boston

They want to add another star but teams are highly reluctant to trade with them unless they can get Brown or Tatum which obviously is not happening. No one wants to do a deal with Boston where they can and will lose. Most teams see Boston as a contender that's one piece away from being favorites with their current core. They have been openly talking to teams to see about moving up for Wiseman with San Antonio. They have also reached out to Orlando about Bamba.

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[100proof]

I would do that deal! Kemba healthy or not makes no difference. He will continue to be a liablity defensively, and teams will continue to target him especially in the playoffs.

Me too.

Aldridge still defends excellently, and now shoots three 3s a game at 39% average. Smart vet mentor as well.

Although if I could choose between Aldridge or Wiseman I pick Wiseman. But I think that GSW would really like having Aldridge in a flip for the #2.

SAS gets: Kemba and Kevin Looney and protected first from Boston, Minny pick from GSW
GSW gets: Murray, Theis, #14
Boston gets: Aldridge and #2

Wiseman of course. We need an upgrade at the 5 asap. And we are not winning anything with Kemba as out point guard. Maybe we could trade Kemba and Hayward for a big and a point guard like Jrue holiday.

I am ok with Hayward starting still. He and Smart with Tatums improvement make for more than enough playmakers.

Kemba/picks/kanter all available to upgrade that starting center spot. Would love to get Wiseman and Aldridge so that James has a year to learn the game from Aldridge.

Not sure how that deal looks though.



Maybe?

Wiggins, Romeo, #26 to Cleveland
why? get alot younger, add scoring on the wings pick up basically a lotto pick and a late first.

Sexton
Garland
Wiggins
Toppin (#5)
Drummond

Love, Kemba and Poirier to Spurs
Why? Extend the window a bit further
Kemba
Walker
Johnson
Love
Poeltl

Derozan and Theis (tpe) to Warriors
Why? add demar as their slashing playmaker wing and add an ideal bigman in Theis
Curry
Klay
Demar
Green
Theis

Aldridge, Murray, #2 to Boston
Why? For Wiseman, Murray and Aldridge

Smart/Murray
Brown/Edwards
Hayward/
Tatum/GrantW
Aldridge/Wiseman/Timelord

Would have #14, #30 and #47 and vet mins to round out roster.
Could include the 14 somewhere I guess if it was needed, but I think all teams make out great here.

[leper-con]

Ok, so since the Hawks guy just gave a Celtics update, I'll post it on here (like I've said before, be careful about putting his info about everything on this board):

Where can i find the entire update?

Send me a Private message

there is interesting stuff on Indy as well.

[SmartWentCrazy]

Wiseman thing is interesting. Feels like the obvious answer is Smart, Theis and 14 for 2 if Ainge really loves him.

He scares me. I wouldnt do it. But Ainge isnt afraid to take a swing.

He said move up to SA's pick though, which is 11. It's true that there's been some real chatter that Wiseman is going to fall. Guess we'll see though.

Eh, Sam Vecenie just said he thinks Wiseman is unlikely to fall past 5 and there was another report that the Knicks love him and are praying he falls to 8. Guessing that may have been a mistype on his/her part.

[Parliament10]

But how sure are we that Tatum as #1 is the best path towards a championship? We still see some of that inconsistency, and he still lacks the ability to get to the line consistently (although he's been improving) which is probably what separates him from the true superstars in the league. Harden can go 6-18 and still give you 25 points just because he got to the line 15 times. Maybe Tatum will get there eventually, but for now, there's absolutely nothing wrong about Tatum playing 1B to Harden's 1A. And I believe Tatum would be perfectly fine with that.

Kyrie and Harden are sort of similar type players, only Harden is much better. Better passer, much better at getting to the line, and can score more easily with lesser effort.

How are we sure Harden is the best path towards a championship when he’s never actually gone further in the post season than Tatum has ?
I don’t know if you’ve realised but the reason we see inconsistency in Tatum’s game is because not only is he 22 but this was his first playoffs as our #1 option. He wasn’t great in crunch time in the playoffs because of inexperience but there were a lot of games in the regular season were he showed he can be clutch at the end of games.

He was the youngest ever player to average 25/10/5 in the playoffs .... that stat line should be enough to get us Celtic fans really excited about this kids future.

Alright, so Tatum's 22 and might not be ready yet to be the 1st option on a championship team. Maybe he'll be ready when he's 25, or maybe when he's 27. But you're banking on that possibility, even if there's an opportunity to improve your team and actually win now. The Lakers emptied the vault for Davis. The Raptors did the same for a year of Kawhi. If we win a championship, who cares if Tatum was the 2nd option or that he missed being an all-star. You don't pass up on opportunity to add a top 5 player and improve your chances to win NOW just because it might stunt your young, budding star's growth. Winning always takes precedence, especially for a team with title aspirations.

And if you want to bring up Harden's playoff history, then you might as well try to explain how Anthony Davis just won the title when he's been a "loser" all the previous years.

I believe that Danny Ainge is about setting up a team, that contends for multiple years.

[100proof]

Hardwood Houdini just posted a trade for the number 1 pick with Boston.

Hayward to Minny
James Johnson Layman #14 to the knicks
#1 to Boston.


lolol

Done no takebacks.

[themoneyteam2]

Wiseman thing is interesting. Feels like the obvious answer is Smart, Theis and 14 for 2 if Ainge really loves him.

He scares me. I wouldnt do it. But Ainge isnt afraid to take a swing.

He said move up to SA's pick though, which is 11. It's true that there's been some real chatter that Wiseman is going to fall. Guess we'll see though.

Eh, Sam Vecenie just said he thinks Wiseman is unlikely to fall past 5 and there was another report that the Knicks love him and are praying he falls to 8. Guessing that may have been a mistype on his/her part.

Yeah I read it as both Boston and San Antonio are interested in moving up for Wiseman.

"They have been openly talking to teams to see about moving up for Wiseman with San Antonio."

[100proof]

I dont think Wiseman falls past Charlotte. They have no bigmen on the roster right now

If Wiseman drops past Charlotte for whatever reason I can see him dropping to 7 with Detroit. Atlanta, Cleveland and Chicago have pretty loaded front court.

I could see Lamelo, Deni and Edwards all going in the first 3 picks.

4 - Haliburton (especially if they are thinking of moving Lavine. White/Haliburton backcourt is young and fits well together)
5 - Toppin
6 - Okoro

Leaves Wiseman at 7

But that would be pretty slim

[themoneyteam2]

I would LOVE Wiseman but that means you're 100% going to need to get into the top 5 and most likely ahead of Charlotte.

Not sure what a deal with GSW would look like but I'd imagine it'd be Smart, 14, 26, and probably Theis? Not sure GSW would even bite on that.

[100proof]

I would LOVE Wiseman but that means you're 100% going to need to get into the top 5 and most likely ahead of Charlotte.

Not sure what a deal with GSW would look like but I'd imagine it'd be Smart, 14, 26, and probably Theis? Not sure GSW would even bite on that.

Hayward and Theis for Wiggins and #2 gets it done imo.

Ride with Wiggins for a year and see if you raise his value, imo. Easiest Way to make it happen.

Or a three team deal involving Kemba.

Kemba to NYK
Ellington, Theis, #8, #26 to GSW
Portis, DSJ and #2 to Boston?

I think there are lots of options.

[CelticsPride18]

Lol this isn’t 2K. Most of this deals are unrealistic.

[BostonCouchGM]

I dont think Wiseman falls past Charlotte. They have no bigmen on the roster right now

If Wiseman drops past Charlotte for whatever reason I can see him dropping to 7 with Detroit. Atlanta, Cleveland and Chicago have pretty loaded front court.

I could see Lamelo, Deni and Edwards all going in the first 3 picks.

4 - Haliburton (especially if they are thinking of moving Lavine. White/Haliburton backcourt is young and fits well together)
5 - Toppin
6 - Okoro

Leaves Wiseman at 7

But that would be pretty slim

CHA doesn't have a good center but they are paying Cody Zeller $15 million lol. They also have talent 1-4 so Wiseman has to be #1 on their board no?

ATL doesn't have a C so he likely goes there at #6. In fact, I think MN and ATL make for great trading partners with MN moving back for #6 and Huerter who is superfluous after they drafted Hunter and Reddish

CLE might have Drummond but only for one more year which is great so they can trade him at the deadline for picks and have the most cap space of any team entering the great 2021 FA class sweepstakes. So Wiseman is absolutely an option for CLE.

CHI is the one team that is seemingly set in the front court but WCJ isn't on Wiseman's level so really, they are also in need of Wiseman.

There isn't another true C like Wiseman. He has Embiid upside. If there's one player teams will move up for it's Wiseman because so many of the teams picking in the high lottery need a C and MN already has one so they might be willing to move back a few spots if they're able to pick up a SG in the process i.e. Huerter from ATL or Kennard from DET while still being able to get Okongwu to be the interior defender and PnR partner that K.A.T. isn't.

[100proof]

Another kick at the can:

Kemba and Poirier to Philly
Richardson, Theis, #21 and #26 (or does it need to be #14) to GSW
Horford and #2 to Boston

Philly upgrades roster, adds shooting moves Al
Richardson adds a great do all wing player off the bench and Theis is a great Center for their system
We get Horford (overpaid) but he can teach Wiseman for the next couple of years. Also improve playmaking.

Smart
Brown/Romeo/Edwards
Hayward/
Tatum/GrantW
Horford/Wiseman/Timelord

[100proof]

I dont think Wiseman falls past Charlotte. They have no bigmen on the roster right now

If Wiseman drops past Charlotte for whatever reason I can see him dropping to 7 with Detroit. Atlanta, Cleveland and Chicago have pretty loaded front court.

I could see Lamelo, Deni and Edwards all going in the first 3 picks.

4 - Haliburton (especially if they are thinking of moving Lavine. White/Haliburton backcourt is young and fits well together)
5 - Toppin
6 - Okoro

Leaves Wiseman at 7

But that would be pretty slim

CHA doesn't have a good center but they are paying Cody Zeller $15 million lol. They also have talent 1-4 so Wiseman has to be #1 on their board no?

ATL doesn't have a C so he likely goes there at #6. In fact, I think MN and ATL make for great trading partners with MN moving back for #6 and Huerter who is superfluous after they drafted Hunter and Reddish

CLE might have Drummond but only for one more year which is great so they can trade him at the deadline for picks and have the most cap space of any team entering the great 2021 FA class sweepstakes. So Wiseman is absolutely an option for CLE.

CHI is the one team that is seemingly set in the front court but WCJ isn't on Wiseman's level so really, they are also in need of Wiseman.

There isn't another true C like Wiseman. He has Embiid upside. If there's one player teams will move up for it's Wiseman because so many of the teams picking in the high lottery need a C and MN already has one so they might be willing to move back a few spots if they're able to pick up a SG in the process i.e. Huerter from ATL or Kennard from DET while still being able to get Okongwu to be the interior defender and PnR partner that K.A.T. isn't.

I said it was very slim.

Only way Charlotte passes on him is if Edwards or maybe Ball are still on the board.
Toppin is a hometown kid for Ohio, so that is why I have them picking him there, also yeah, drummond is expiring, but love isnt. So love could easily be their center, and should be.
ATL has Demon and Capela.
Chicago really likes WCjr, but again I would pick wiseman. But proof is in the pudding so to speak, and WCJ has proven a capable nba player and Wiseman didnt really get a chance to prove he is a college player.

[VeryMuchWoke]

I dont want to offer this; its why I said the bolded.

I could see Ainge doing Smart, Brown, RWIII, Romeo, Semi, 14, two more FRP for Harden and Tucker. Then dumping Kanter, Poirier to end dropping 3-5M from our cap overall.

Feels like too much, but just what I could see him doing.

Any deal that involves Brown or tatum to Houston for Harden is too much. And honestly, if that's a non starter for Houston, I don't even care. I respect hardens star power even if I dont respect his game. But you want him to play alongside Brown and tatum, not alongside kemba

Houston isnt trading a guy who has finished top 3 in the MVP race 5 of the last 6 years and not receiving Brown. Its more than okay to balk at the price. But its beyond foolish to act like its possible to pair him with Brown and Tatum— might as well speculate on how we can add Giannis to that trio as well at that point.

You're probably right, but Fertitta's #1 concern is saving money. I think it may be possible without Brown if we save take on Westbrook.

Hayward, Kemba, Smart + firsts for Westbrook and Harden would work.

Another option if they like our young pieces:

Romeo, Williams*2, Hayward or Kemba, multiple firsts for Harden and Gordon.

I'm not sure if those are realistic or not. It's hard to gauge Hardens value after another spectacular flameout in the playoffs.

[themoneyteam2]

I would LOVE Wiseman but that means you're 100% going to need to get into the top 5 and most likely ahead of Charlotte.

Not sure what a deal with GSW would look like but I'd imagine it'd be Smart, 14, 26, and probably Theis? Not sure GSW would even bite on that.

Hayward and Theis for Wiggins and #2 gets it done imo.

Ride with Wiggins for a year and see if you raise his value, imo. Easiest Way to make it happen.

Or a three team deal involving Kemba.

Kemba to NYK
Ellington, Theis, #8, #26 to GSW
Portis, DSJ and #2 to Boston?

I think there are lots of options.

I'd actually really like that deal. Not sure a 3 team deal is feasible, especially with trading Kemba. It works in 2K though!

[100proof]

I would LOVE Wiseman but that means you're 100% going to need to get into the top 5 and most likely ahead of Charlotte.

Not sure what a deal with GSW would look like but I'd imagine it'd be Smart, 14, 26, and probably Theis? Not sure GSW would even bite on that.

Hayward and Theis for Wiggins and #2 gets it done imo.

Ride with Wiggins for a year and see if you raise his value, imo. Easiest Way to make it happen.

Or a three team deal involving Kemba.

Kemba to NYK
Ellington, Theis, #8, #26 to GSW
Portis, DSJ and #2 to Boston?

I think there are lots of options.

I'd actually really like that deal. Not sure a 3 team deal is feasible, especially with trading Kemba. It works in 2K though!

Not sure on the 3 team deal.

But I would make either one of them. I think Wiggins can be turned around under stevens.

Kemba/Smart
Brown/Romeo
Wiggins/14
Tatum/GrantW
Wiseman/Theis/Timelord

That is a ridiculously strong athletic lineup. Especially with a healthy Kemba. (I would still consider shopping him though. Spurs for Murray, Gay?) just for the cap savings and better fits.

[Darthlukey]

Any deal that involves Brown or tatum to Houston for Harden is too much. And honestly, if that's a non starter for Houston, I don't even care. I respect hardens star power even if I dont respect his game. But you want him to play alongside Brown and tatum, not alongside kemba

Houston isnt trading a guy who has finished top 3 in the MVP race 5 of the last 6 years and not receiving Brown. Its more than okay to balk at the price. But its beyond foolish to act like its possible to pair him with Brown and Tatum— might as well speculate on how we can add Giannis to that trio as well at that point.

100% big facts.....I mean on the surface trading brown for an mvp player is a major win on paper. That’s the type of upgrade u need to hit on.

You guys are totally right in what you are saying. Im just saying I'm not interested in paying that price (noting that I'm also not danny ainge lol). I just loathe the idea of giving up Brown and a stack more for Harden on the wrong side of 30, though his game will age relatively well I suspect