2020 NBA Draft Thread, Part 2 -- (8PM, Wed, Nov. 18, ESPN)

100proof · Post #601 » by **100proof** » Sat Oct 17, 2020 12:20 am

CeltsfanSinceBirth wrote:Please tell me we aren't using Smart as trade bait to move up.

Kemba and picks is option 1
Hayward and picks is option 2.

I would be perfectly content with hayward and theis for wiggins and wiseman. Honestly.

Kemba
Brown
Wiggins
Tatum
Wiseman

Thats potentially very very dangerous team.

Homerclease · Post #602 » by **Homerclease** » Sat Oct 17, 2020 12:25 am

CeltsfanSinceBirth wrote:Please tell me we aren't using Smart as trade bait to move up.

I’d drive him to the airport for a crack at Wiseman

Captain_Caveman · Post #603 » by **Captain_Caveman** » Sat Oct 17, 2020 12:27 am

100proof wrote:
CeltsfanSinceBirth wrote:Please tell me we aren't using Smart as trade bait to move up.

Kemba and picks is option 1
Hayward and picks is option 2.

I would be perfectly content with hayward and theis for wiggins and wiseman. Honestly.

Kemba
Brown
Wiggins
Tatum
Wiseman

Thats potentially very very dangerous team.

Warriors trading the #2 just to do a cap dump during a championship window?

Homerclease · Post #604 » by **Homerclease** » Sat Oct 17, 2020 1:20 am

Captain_Caveman wrote:
100proof wrote:
CeltsfanSinceBirth wrote:Please tell me we aren't using Smart as trade bait to move up.

Kemba and picks is option 1
Hayward and picks is option 2.

I would be perfectly content with hayward and theis for wiggins and wiseman. Honestly.

Kemba
Brown
Wiggins
Tatum
Wiseman

Thats potentially very very dangerous team.

Warriors trading the #2 just to do a cap dump during a championship window?

If they think they have a legit shot at Giannis then I can see it. Probably the only way though

Patsfan1081 · Post #605 » by **Patsfan1081** » Sat Oct 17, 2020 1:22 am

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Who would you rather have Wisemann or Mobley?

I could see Ainge falling in love with Wisemann before the draft. His range and passing for a big man are intriguing and seem to fit Stevens play style. A skinnier Mobley though had no trouble in the paint vs him and projects as a the better defender. Prob be easier to get a top three pick in this draft vs a top ten in the next though...

Captain_Caveman · Post #606 » by **Captain_Caveman** » Sat Oct 17, 2020 1:22 am

Homerclease wrote:
Captain_Caveman wrote:
100proof wrote:

Kemba and picks is option 1
Hayward and picks is option 2.

I would be perfectly content with hayward and theis for wiggins and wiseman. Honestly.

Kemba
Brown
Wiggins
Tatum
Wiseman

Thats potentially very very dangerous team.

Warriors trading the #2 just to do a cap dump during a championship window?

If they think they have a legit shot at Giannis then I can see it. Probably the only way though

They'd still have to dump Dray after that. Just Curry and Klay alone would have their lowest possible cap number at around $90m next offseason.

Celts17Pride · Post #607 » by **Celts17Pride** » Sat Oct 17, 2020 1:40 am

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ConstableGeneva · Post #608 » by **ConstableGeneva** » Sat Oct 17, 2020 1:47 am

Daniel Ainge retains Daniel Theis. Daniel Ainge drafts Daniel Oturu. And Daniel Ainge will trade for Danilo Gallinari. We're going for the Daniel Trifecta. If we can sign Troy Daniels...

Spoiler:

reload141 · Post #609 » by **reload141** » Sat Oct 17, 2020 2:56 am

Captain_Caveman wrote:
JHTruth wrote:
100proof wrote:

I would assume that if Danny is looking to trade up to get him, there will be a firm understanding with Brad that Wiseman plays through some of those gaffs. Just like smart always has with those ill advised 3pointers.

I haven't heard a single person connect Wiseman to the Celtics. Or Okongwu for that matter. Celtics aren't looking for bigs in the first round it seems anyway

Wiseman is one of the players Boston is interested in moving up for. They have talked to the Warriors and other teams. Given that it won't be Tatum or Jaylen going out, pretty unlikely that we get him. Spurs also in on him.

We also apparently have interest in Okongwu, Okoro, Vassell and Jalen Smith.

Detroit makes the most sense to move up as they are devoid of talent and probably would make sense having multiple picks in the 1st round... but probably not high enough for Wiseman

100proof · Post #610 » by **100proof** » Sat Oct 17, 2020 3:53 am

Captain_Caveman wrote:
100proof wrote:
CeltsfanSinceBirth wrote:Please tell me we aren't using Smart as trade bait to move up.

Kemba and picks is option 1
Hayward and picks is option 2.

I would be perfectly content with hayward and theis for wiggins and wiseman. Honestly.

Kemba
Brown
Wiggins
Tatum
Wiseman

Thats potentially very very dangerous team.

Warriors trading the #2 just to do a cap dump during a championship window?

Hayward and Theis is not a cap dump.

They are excellent players that will make their team better.

Curry
Klay
Hayward
Green
Theis

Captain_Caveman · Post #611 » by **Captain_Caveman** » Sat Oct 17, 2020 5:08 am

100proof wrote:
Captain_Caveman wrote:
100proof wrote:

Kemba and picks is option 1
Hayward and picks is option 2.

I would be perfectly content with hayward and theis for wiggins and wiseman. Honestly.

Kemba
Brown
Wiggins
Tatum
Wiseman

Thats potentially very very dangerous team.

Warriors trading the #2 just to do a cap dump during a championship window?

Hayward and Theis is not a cap dump.

They are excellent players that will make their team better.

Curry
Klay
Hayward
Green
Theis

Theis is far from excellent, and Hayward gone in a year.

Great, they get out of two years of Wiggins, but I don't think that they do that during a window of contention. They are looking to trade down and reload.

BostonCouchGM · Post #612 » by **BostonCouchGM** » Sat Oct 17, 2020 5:25 am

reload141 wrote:
Captain_Caveman wrote:
JHTruth wrote:
I haven't heard a single person connect Wiseman to the Celtics. Or Okongwu for that matter. Celtics aren't looking for bigs in the first round it seems anyway

Wiseman is one of the players Boston is interested in moving up for. They have talked to the Warriors and other teams. Given that it won't be Tatum or Jaylen going out, pretty unlikely that we get him. Spurs also in on him.

We also apparently have interest in Okongwu, Okoro, Vassell and Jalen Smith.

Detroit makes the most sense to move up as they are devoid of talent and probably would make sense having multiple picks in the 1st round... but probably not high enough for Wiseman

DET has talent. Blake Griffin, when healthy, is one of the best PF in the game. Kennard put up 16-4-4 with 40% from three. Rose has proven he's one of the better 6th man in the league. Sekou Doumbouya is a foundational piece.

I wonder the Timberwolves would move the #1 for DET #7 and Kennard. Or would they take Wiseman and only do the trade provided Okongwu fell to #7. Or is this how the Warriors get out from under Wiggins contract? Take Kennard and #7 for #2 and Wiggins? Do you see anyone offering something better for Wiggins? In fact, would DET even have to include Kennard? It seems like the possibility for lots of trades exist due to how many last seasons of bad contracts will be opted in by the players:

Mike Conley
Gordon Hayward
Otto Porter, Jr.
Tim Hardaway Jr.
Evan Fournier
DeMar DeRozan
Andre Drummond
Nicolas Batum

and how many bad longer term contracts teams want to get out of:

John Wall
Tobias Harris
Al Horford
Kemba Walker
Chris Paul
Andrew Wiggins
Kevin Love
Draymond Green
Blake Griffin
Russell Westbrook

thing is, DET, having the most cap space in the league, is in the driver's seat. They can get an all-star level player(s) and draft picks just because they can absorb contracts.

threrf23 · Post #613 » by **threrf23** » Sat Oct 17, 2020 5:36 am

BostonCouchGM wrote:
DET has talent. Blake Griffin, when healthy, is one of the best PF in the game. Kennard put up 16-4-4 with 40% from three. Rose has proven he's one of the better 6th man in the league. Sekou Doumbouya is a foundational piece.

Thanks for the laugh

Post #614 » by **Spin Move** » Sat Oct 17, 2020 5:52 am

Patsfan1081 wrote:

Watch on YouTube

Who would you rather have Wisemann or Mobley?

I could see Ainge falling in love with Wisemann before the draft. His range and passing for a big man are intriguing and seem to fit Stevens play style. A skinnier Mobley though had no trouble in the paint vs him and projects as a the better defender. Prob be easier to get a top three pick in this draft vs a top ten in the next though...

Mobley will have to gain alot of wieght to not get thrown around by NBA Bigs, for next season Wiseman, for the future who knows. Mobley is 6'11 195 lbs

Post #615 » by **Darthlukey** » Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:12 am

threrf23 wrote:
BostonCouchGM wrote:
DET has talent. Blake Griffin, when healthy, is one of the best PF in the game. Kennard put up 16-4-4 with 40% from three. Rose has proven he's one of the better 6th man in the league. Sekou Doumbouya is a foundational piece.

Thanks for the laugh

I won't laugh, but Blake's days as a dominant player are well and truly past him. And if he can't play in 75% of his games, his days as a serviceable player are gone too

ConstableGeneva · Post #616 » by **ConstableGeneva** » Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:22 am

Will you guys be disappointed if we take Vernon Carey, Jr. at #30? Forget who else is on the board.

Floody100 · Post #617 » by **Floody100** » Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:58 am

ConstableGeneva wrote:Will you guys be disappointed if we take Vernon Carey, Jr. at #30? Forget who else is on the board.

I’d be disappointed if we took him at 47.

100proof · Post #618 » by **100proof** » Sat Oct 17, 2020 12:32 pm

Captain_Caveman wrote:
100proof wrote:
Captain_Caveman wrote:
Warriors trading the #2 just to do a cap dump during a championship window?

Hayward and Theis is not a cap dump.

They are excellent players that will make their team better.

Curry
Klay
Hayward
Green
Theis

Theis is far from excellent, and Hayward gone in a year.

Great, they get out of two years of Wiggins, but I don't think that they do that during a window of contention. They are looking to trade down and reload.

I dont see any reason why Gordon or thies wpuld leave in a year. They would be on, most likely, the best team in the league.

That makes no sense.

Also, theis was one of the top centers last season statistically, and GSW love small ball with green at the 5

ConstableGeneva · Post #619 » by **ConstableGeneva** » Sat Oct 17, 2020 12:48 pm

Floody100 wrote:
ConstableGeneva wrote:Will you guys be disappointed if we take Vernon Carey, Jr. at #30? Forget who else is on the board.

I’d be disappointed if we took him at 47.

Noted. I will tell Danny right away.

Post #620 » by **SmartWentCrazy** » Sat Oct 17, 2020 2:19 pm

Guessing Wiseman would have to be two prong: get a pick in the 8-11 range and flip it with Smart for 2. GS adds Smart and another young wing.