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Nets moves. 

Post#1 » by Lockdown504090 » Sat Oct 17, 2020 2:30 pm

As on now, I think the nets have a few weaknesses.
Wing defense
Inside defense( i believe deandre jordan has good IQ, but too slow, too lazy and lost too much athleticism. Jarett allen IQ too low rn)
complimentary playmakers/ scorers ( guys who make the right play)
Hustle

As of now, They can improve their team through MLE, or by trade. They have the 19th pick in the 2020 draft.
The free agents who are around this salary range and can fill some of those needs are the following.
Dario Saric,
Tristan Thompson
Rondo
Derrick Jones Jr.
Torrey Craig
Wes matthews
Mo harkless

As for tradeable guys I see the following as options
Dinwiddie 11.4 m
DJ 10.3m
Taurean Prince 14m
LaVert 16.5m
Jarett Allen 3.9M

Who do should they sign and who should they trade/trade for? Especially

between Spencer dinwiddie and laVert, who fits better with KD and Irving? both on court and personality wise, since i guess thats going to matter because they are both "different"
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Post#2 » by drchaos » Sat Oct 17, 2020 2:35 pm

They have Philly's pick in 2020.
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Post#3 » by Lockdown504090 » Sat Oct 17, 2020 2:53 pm

drchaos wrote:They have Philly's pick in 2020.

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Post#4 » by Scalabrine » Sat Oct 17, 2020 3:08 pm

Alot of their moves depend on how willing they are to go into the luxury tax and where the tax apron comes in at.

They are really backed up against a wall here. According to the Capulator, if they sign their first round pick, they will be in the luxury tax. That leaves them with the tax payers MLE (6ish million to the player, which would count for roughly 30 million dollars after tax payments). They also have to re-sign Joe Harris, which is gonna be another huge tax hit. Going by the Capulator, if the tax line is 142 million (it will almost definitely be lower than that), and the Nets are able to get Joe Harris on a deal starting at 15 million, the additional luxury tax payment would be 28.7 million dollars ON TOP of the salary he is already making.

Are the Nets willing to spend 60 million in luxury tax payments (on top of the salary they owe to the players) to sign the 19th pick, Joe Harris, and someone like Dario Saric? Again, that number is considering that the luxury tax apron is at 142 million, if it goes down, then that payment gets that much higher.

I personally think that they are gonna lose Joe Harris. I think a team like my Knicks will offer him a big 1 year deal with a team option for year 2 and it will put the Nets in a really tough position where they either have to match it (he's unrestricted, so they may not get that opportunity) or see him walk.
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Post#5 » by Lockdown504090 » Sat Oct 17, 2020 6:17 pm

Scalabrine wrote:Alot of their moves depend on how willing they are to go into the luxury tax and where the tax apron comes in at.

They are really backed up against a wall here. According to the Capulator, if they sign their first round pick, they will be in the luxury tax. That leaves them with the tax payers MLE (6ish million to the player, which would count for roughly 30 million dollars after tax payments). They also have to re-sign Joe Harris, which is gonna be another huge tax hit. Going by the Capulator, if the tax line is 142 million (it will almost definitely be lower than that), and the Nets are able to get Joe Harris on a deal starting at 15 million, the additional luxury tax payment would be 28.7 million dollars ON TOP of the salary he is already making.

Are the Nets willing to spend 60 million in luxury tax payments (on top of the salary they owe to the players) to sign the 19th pick, Joe Harris, and someone like Dario Saric? Again, that number is considering that the luxury tax apron is at 142 million, if it goes down, then that payment gets that much higher.

I personally think that they are gonna lose Joe Harris. I think a team like my Knicks will offer him a big 1 year deal with a team option for year 2 and it will put the Nets in a really tough position where they either have to match it (he's unrestricted, so they may not get that opportunity) or see him walk.

if joe harris is gone, this is going to get really hard for them in the playoffs when you need a guy who can just space the floor and hit everything. This nets team is going to take some really carefull planning and some spending from an owner who we dont the spending habits of.
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Post#6 » by NyKnicks1714 » Sat Oct 17, 2020 6:20 pm

Tryin to make some front page drive-in news
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Post#7 » by oldncreaky » Sat Oct 17, 2020 8:01 pm

Lockdown504090 wrote:
Scalabrine wrote:Alot of their moves depend on how willing they are to go into the luxury tax and where the tax apron comes in at.

They are really backed up against a wall here. According to the Capulator, if they sign their first round pick, they will be in the luxury tax. That leaves them with the tax payers MLE (6ish million to the player, which would count for roughly 30 million dollars after tax payments). They also have to re-sign Joe Harris, which is gonna be another huge tax hit. Going by the Capulator, if the tax line is 142 million (it will almost definitely be lower than that), and the Nets are able to get Joe Harris on a deal starting at 15 million, the additional luxury tax payment would be 28.7 million dollars ON TOP of the salary he is already making.

Are the Nets willing to spend 60 million in luxury tax payments (on top of the salary they owe to the players) to sign the 19th pick, Joe Harris, and someone like Dario Saric? Again, that number is considering that the luxury tax apron is at 142 million, if it goes down, then that payment gets that much higher.

I personally think that they are gonna lose Joe Harris. I think a team like my Knicks will offer him a big 1 year deal with a team option for year 2 and it will put the Nets in a really tough position where they either have to match it (he's unrestricted, so they may not get that opportunity) or see him walk.

if joe harris is gone, this is going to get really hard for them in the playoffs when you need a guy who can just space the floor and hit everything. This nets team is going to take some really carefull planning and some spending from an owner who we dont the spending habits of.


So in addition to the OP's weaknesses:
- interior defence
- wing defence
- hustle and complimentary players
they will have a shortage of shooting?

I also think that people expecting a 32 year old KD, coming off an Achilles injury and a 18-24 month layoff will play at the level of 2018 KD are ... a wee bit optimistic.

I won't be surprised if the Nets get off to a slow start, maybe .500 after the first 30 games, and even if the play great later in the season, will fall short of winning 50 games
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Post#8 » by BK_2020 » Sat Oct 17, 2020 8:30 pm

Lockdown504090 wrote:As on now, I think the nets have a few weaknesses.
Wing defense
Inside defense( i believe deandre jordan has good IQ, but too slow, too lazy and lost too much athleticism. Jarett allen IQ too low rn)
complimentary playmakers/ scorers ( guys who make the right play)
Hustle

Ant"

So what you are saying is the Nets are strong in guard defense with Kyrie and Joe Harris?
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Post#9 » by Pelly24 » Sat Oct 17, 2020 8:59 pm

oldncreaky wrote:
Lockdown504090 wrote:
Scalabrine wrote:Alot of their moves depend on how willing they are to go into the luxury tax and where the tax apron comes in at.

They are really backed up against a wall here. According to the Capulator, if they sign their first round pick, they will be in the luxury tax. That leaves them with the tax payers MLE (6ish million to the player, which would count for roughly 30 million dollars after tax payments). They also have to re-sign Joe Harris, which is gonna be another huge tax hit. Going by the Capulator, if the tax line is 142 million (it will almost definitely be lower than that), and the Nets are able to get Joe Harris on a deal starting at 15 million, the additional luxury tax payment would be 28.7 million dollars ON TOP of the salary he is already making.

Are the Nets willing to spend 60 million in luxury tax payments (on top of the salary they owe to the players) to sign the 19th pick, Joe Harris, and someone like Dario Saric? Again, that number is considering that the luxury tax apron is at 142 million, if it goes down, then that payment gets that much higher.

I personally think that they are gonna lose Joe Harris. I think a team like my Knicks will offer him a big 1 year deal with a team option for year 2 and it will put the Nets in a really tough position where they either have to match it (he's unrestricted, so they may not get that opportunity) or see him walk.

if joe harris is gone, this is going to get really hard for them in the playoffs when you need a guy who can just space the floor and hit everything. This nets team is going to take some really carefull planning and some spending from an owner who we dont the spending habits of.


So in addition to the OP's weaknesses:
- interior defence
- wing defence
- hustle and complimentary players
they will have a shortage of shooting?

I also think that people expecting a 32 year old KD, coming off an Achilles injury and a 18-24 month layoff will play at the level of 2018 KD are ... a wee bit optimistic.

I won't be surprised if the Nets get off to a slow start, maybe .500 after the first 30 games, and even if the play great later in the season, will fall short of winning 50 games



Lol that would be such a disappointment. They better win 52+ games or all of this was for not and they might as well have kept their culture
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Post#10 » by Hello Brooklyn » Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:06 pm

Scalabrine wrote:Alot of their moves depend on how willing they are to go into the luxury tax and where the tax apron comes in at.

They are really backed up against a wall here. According to the Capulator, if they sign their first round pick, they will be in the luxury tax. That leaves them with the tax payers MLE (6ish million to the player, which would count for roughly 30 million dollars after tax payments). They also have to re-sign Joe Harris, which is gonna be another huge tax hit. Going by the Capulator, if the tax line is 142 million (it will almost definitely be lower than that), and the Nets are able to get Joe Harris on a deal starting at 15 million, the additional luxury tax payment would be 28.7 million dollars ON TOP of the salary he is already making.

Are the Nets willing to spend 60 million in luxury tax payments (on top of the salary they owe to the players) to sign the 19th pick, Joe Harris, and someone like Dario Saric? Again, that number is considering that the luxury tax apron is at 142 million, if it goes down, then that payment gets that much higher.

I personally think that they are gonna lose Joe Harris. I think a team like my Knicks will offer him a big 1 year deal with a team option for year 2 and it will put the Nets in a really tough position where they either have to match it (he's unrestricted, so they may not get that opportunity) or see him walk.


The Nets are not losing Joe Harris. Sean Marks has said his #1 priority going into this off season is keeping Harris.

I don't think he is going to cost 15 million a year either. Unlikely he gets that much anywhere else.

Nets will likely go into the luxury tax but they knew that going in. Joe Tsai has said multiple times he is willing to go into the luxury tax so idk why you're making a big deal about it.
https://netswire.usatoday.com/2020/01/14/joe-tsai-absolutely-prepared-for-nets-to-pay-luxury-tax/

Its more likely that we lose Dinwiddie next off season.
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Post#11 » by Hello Brooklyn » Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:08 pm

I don't think we need to make any major moves.

Nets could probably add some defensive wings through the MLE and our Draft pick this year.

I still think Prince, Levert, Dinwiddie can be good defenders in the right system and with much less of an offensive load.

I think Jordan is good enough to be a good post defender so I disagree with your assessment there. He was good last year.
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Post#12 » by Warriorfan » Sun Oct 18, 2020 12:18 am

BKN has to see how it all comes together. If it doesnt they have great tools to improve. Only 1 team is adding a KD.
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Post#13 » by Tor_Raps » Sun Oct 18, 2020 1:45 am

I think all they're missing is a 3&D SG and ensuring Harris comes back. They should trade one of Spencer/Levert and make the other guy their key 6th man.

Kyrie
3&D SG
Harris
Durant
Jordan

Personally like Allen's fit better with this team but Deandres relationship with KD and Kyrie will give him the nod.
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Post#14 » by DarkXaero » Sun Oct 18, 2020 9:30 pm

Wing defense is definitely a weakness for Nets, and probably the biggest one, but I don't think interior defense is. Allen is a plus on that end, and he gets better each season. I don't know where you're getting that his IQ is low. Complementary playmakers/scorers are one of the Nets' main strengths, no idea how you're listing that as a weakness. If anything, they have too much of that.

Nets are in a unique position as a contender to make quite a few trades, and I expect them to pursue those options. They have good tradeable assets, and their picks going forward. One of Dinwiddie/Levert can go, and guys like Prince, Temple can be salary fillers to get something back.
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Post#15 » by DarkXaero » Sun Oct 18, 2020 9:32 pm

Tor_Raps wrote:I think all they're missing is a 3&D SG and ensuring Harris comes back. They should trade one of Spencer/Levert and make the other guy their key 6th man.

Kyrie
3&D SG
Harris
Durant
Jordan

Personally like Allen's fit better with this team but Deandres relationship with KD and Kyrie will give him the nod.
This is likely the most simple, best route of improving the Nets. I would go a step further though, and look for a defensive PF option as well, rather than playing KD full-time there.
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Post#16 » by mademan » Sun Oct 18, 2020 9:47 pm

Joe Harris is gonna be interesting. Nets are already at 140 mill without re-signing anybody and Joe will cost around 12-15 mill. Plus another 1.5 mill for the draft pick (unless they sell it), and they got Temple on a team option at 5 mill (which is a discount, normally, but the with tax is expensive).

They also have some very real defensive needs on the perimeter. Owner might be willing to pay tax, but how much tax? If they re-sign Harris, theyre gonna have the most expensive roster in the NBA.
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Post#17 » by DarkXaero » Sun Oct 18, 2020 9:57 pm

mademan wrote:Joe Harris is gonna be interesting. Nets are already at 140 mill without re-signing anybody and Joe will cost around 12-15 mill. Plus another 1.5 mill for the draft pick (unless they sell it), and they got Temple on a team option at 5 mill (which is a discount, normally, but the with tax is expensive).

They also have some very real defensive needs on the perimeter. Owner might be willing to pay tax, but how much tax? If they re-sign Harris, theyre gonna have the most expensive roster in the NBA.
I don't think there's anything interesting at all. Nets are going to re-sign him, Joe has publicly stated numerous times that he wants to stay here, and Marks has said that he'll prioritize him. Joe Tsai is the third richest owner in the league, and has publicly committed to paying lux tax for this team. Tsai is one of the very few NBA owners in the league whose net worth has actually gone up during the pandemic. I'll be extremely shocked if Nets don't retain Joe Harirs and/or make cost cutting moves. As it stands, I fully expect them to retain Joe.
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Post#18 » by mademan » Sun Oct 18, 2020 10:03 pm

DarkXaero wrote:
mademan wrote:Joe Harris is gonna be interesting. Nets are already at 140 mill without re-signing anybody and Joe will cost around 12-15 mill. Plus another 1.5 mill for the draft pick (unless they sell it), and they got Temple on a team option at 5 mill (which is a discount, normally, but the with tax is expensive).

They also have some very real defensive needs on the perimeter. Owner might be willing to pay tax, but how much tax? If they re-sign Harris, theyre gonna have the most expensive roster in the NBA.
I don't think there's anything interesting at all. Nets are going to re-sign him, Joe has publicly stated numerous times that he wants to stay here, and Marks has said that he'll prioritize him. Joe Tsai is the third richest owner in the league, and has publicly committed to paying lux tax for this team. Tsai is one of the very few NBA owners in the league whose net worth has actually gone up during the pandemic. I'll be extremely shocked if Nets don't retain Joe Harirs and/or make cost cutting moves. As it stands, I fully expect them to retain Joe.


Maybe they keep Harris, i cant see them not making cost cutting moves. The cap might still go down and theyre gonna be deep in the tax with a team thats not head and shoulders above their competition in the East. Joe Harris, a draft pick and using any exception whatsoever, that would put them at 160 mill in salary. Kudos to your owner if he's willing to swallow that, i just have to see it to believe it.
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Post#19 » by Marcus_Shart » Sun Oct 18, 2020 11:11 pm

NyKnicks1714 wrote:Tryin to make some front page drive-in news


I can see Kyrie having an existential crisis because he all of a sudden "feels like a number." :wink:
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Post#20 » by lonzo_pelota » Sun Oct 18, 2020 11:57 pm

no matter the nets moves when they play vs boston its gonna be must see tv next season

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