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2020 NBA Draft Thread: Bulls pick 4th: PT 2

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Who do you want?

Ball
27
16%
Wiseman
29
18%
Deni
41
25%
Hayes
31
19%
Obi
4
2%
Vassell
14
9%
Okoro
4
2%
Haliburton
7
4%
Onyeka
3
2%
Other
4
2%
 
Total votes: 164

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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Thread: Bulls pick 4th: PT 2 

Post#1721 » by PhilLeotardo » Mon Oct 19, 2020 3:55 am

PlayerUp wrote:
PhilLeotardo wrote:That isn’t the case for 2020. This is just an outright really weak draft, and we’ve known how weak it was going to be since late 2018. There’s a reason no one is talking about it & people are already laser-focused on ‘21. Outside of Wiseman, we’ve seen most of these guys play, and it isn’t pretty. It doesn’t really come close to approaching the depth of ‘19. I’d wager Gafford would probably go #16-20 in this year’s draft. Possibly earlier


You're entitled to your opinion but your opinions aren't facts. Reality is nobody knows and you're only making assumptions. Nobody knows how this draft will turn out in the end. There is talent in this draft but no doubt Zion/Morant/RJ coming out of college look like far superior prospects than Edwards/Ball/Wiseman.

Picks 4-60 in this 2020 draft may actually turn out to be better than picks 4-60 in the 2019 draft.


Except I don’t see anyone I like better than Coby White in this draft. Perhaps not even Duke WCJ. WCJ would be going top 3 were he coming out in this class, White probably would be too. 2019 looked better just about everywhere, even early on

Killian flipping Hayes, Deni Avdija, and a 22 year old PF, who seems physically unable to defend, are being considered as lottery picks this year

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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Thread: Bulls pick 4th: PT 2 

Post#1722 » by cjbulls » Mon Oct 19, 2020 3:55 am

kodo wrote:Haberstroh thinks AK will move up.
https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/bulls/nba-draft-2020-haberstroh-expects-bulls-pursue-trading-no-1-or-2
“I think [Karnišovas] might move up, because I think No. 1 with Minnesota and No. 2 (with Golden State) is going to be readily available,” Haberstroh said. “I would be surprised if you didn’t see Charlotte (at No. 3) or Chicago move up in the draft.”

A move up would be a risk, but if made by Karnišovas, you can bet it’ll be a calculated one. It could just be a matter of the price — and if there’s a prospect near the top that catches his eye.

“What is Chicago willing to give up to move up in the draft? If they have a guy that they really want and they don’t want to risk losing that player at No. 4? I don’t know what they’re willing to give up,” Haberstroh said. “But I do think that it wouldn’t be out of the realm, I wouldn’t be surprised if Artūras made a big splash on draft night and got a player that he really, really covets and values.

Even if Karnišovas stays put, his track record from his days in the Denver Nuggets’ front office gives reason to believe he can find the right player for the Bulls.

“[Karnišovas] is also a guy who came from a Denver organization that found gems later in the draft. So maybe he’s not as dead set on moving up in the draft, you almost think maybe he realizes I could get a lot of talent by sitting back,” Haberstroh added. “But I do think there’s gonna be a lot of trades on draft night. People are gonna be itchy to make deals after being silent for so long.

“I don’t know who the right fit is at No. 4 (for the Bulls), but I do think you need some defensive-minded guys for Billy Donovan. And whether that’s you get that in free agency or you get that in trades, I’m not sure, but I do think they need a defensive-minded guy to complement Coby White. If he is truly the franchise going forward, I do think you need a more defensive focus guy.”


I don't know where Haberstroh got the idea this franchise is building around White...my goals for him are to be an NBA starter level guy, not a franchise player.


His wording is clever, and Haberstroh isn't known for his sources. My guess is he's just thinking about the league and throwing random opinions out rather than citing actual inside intel. That includes the Coby stuff, although I wouldn't be surprised if Coby ends up as the best player on the roster. Him and Zach seem like their two best prospects at this point.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Thread: Bulls pick 4th: PT 2 

Post#1723 » by PlayerUp » Mon Oct 19, 2020 4:07 am

PhilLeotardo wrote:2020 is extremely weak.

There is still some value to be found, and I’m sure AKEVS will milk it for all it’s worth, but this draft just sucks:

it lacks athletes


It does lack athletes no doubt about it

PhilLeotardo wrote:it lacks shooters


Shooting can improve at the NBA level so a draft lacking shooters isn't a big deal. As long as the player has a quality form he should have shooting upside in the NBA.

PhilLeotardo wrote:it lacks wings


Yes it does in the lottery.

PhilLeotardo wrote:it lacks depth


In the early lottery yes but outside plenty of talent.

PhilLeotardo wrote:it lacks pretty much everything


This is a point guard draft. It's absolutely loaded with point guards which is why we should probably be looking at a point guard this draft.

- LaMelo Ball
- Killian Hayes
- Tyrese Haliburton
- Kira Lewis
- Cole Anthony
- RJ Hampton
- Tyrell Terry
- Theo Maledon

It's loaded with playmakers and has defensive bigman. It's deep with potential gems later in the draft. It also has potential 3-D Wings.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Thread: Bulls pick 4th: PT 2 

Post#1724 » by PhilLeotardo » Mon Oct 19, 2020 4:10 am

kodo wrote:Haberstroh thinks AK will move up.
https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/bulls/nba-draft-2020-haberstroh-expects-bulls-pursue-trading-no-1-or-2
“I think [Karnišovas] might move up, because I think No. 1 with Minnesota and No. 2 (with Golden State) is going to be readily available,” Haberstroh said. “I would be surprised if you didn’t see Charlotte (at No. 3) or Chicago move up in the draft.”

A move up would be a risk, but if made by Karnišovas, you can bet it’ll be a calculated one. It could just be a matter of the price — and if there’s a prospect near the top that catches his eye.

“What is Chicago willing to give up to move up in the draft? If they have a guy that they really want and they don’t want to risk losing that player at No. 4? I don’t know what they’re willing to give up,” Haberstroh said. “But I do think that it wouldn’t be out of the realm, I wouldn’t be surprised if Artūras made a big splash on draft night and got a player that he really, really covets and values.

Even if Karnišovas stays put, his track record from his days in the Denver Nuggets’ front office gives reason to believe he can find the right player for the Bulls.

“[Karnišovas] is also a guy who came from a Denver organization that found gems later in the draft. So maybe he’s not as dead set on moving up in the draft, you almost think maybe he realizes I could get a lot of talent by sitting back,” Haberstroh added. “But I do think there’s gonna be a lot of trades on draft night. People are gonna be itchy to make deals after being silent for so long.

“I don’t know who the right fit is at No. 4 (for the Bulls), but I do think you need some defensive-minded guys for Billy Donovan. And whether that’s you get that in free agency or you get that in trades, I’m not sure, but I do think they need a defensive-minded guy to complement Coby White. If he is truly the franchise going forward, I do think you need a more defensive focus guy.”


I don't know where Haberstroh got the idea this franchise is building around White...my goals for him are to be an NBA starter level guy, not a franchise player.


1.) what a nonsensical, bogus article. “I predict AK will move up, and I base that opinion on absolutely nothing whatsoever, fiddlesticks”. What a load, Nothing AK has done in the past would indicate that, nothing he’s said would indicate that, nothing the Bulls have done recently would indicate that, etc etc etc. Total gibberish. And if AK tried to move up in this draft, I for one would lose all faith in the man. But he (hopefully) won’t, I can’t see why he would. Now, trying to nab more 1st rounders in the 2021 draft, that I could see him doing

2.) Coby White projects to be one of the best scoring guards in the league eventually. Every team in the league wishes they had Coby White as a building block. The Bulls are absolutely building around him. They completely lucked out by drafting him at 7, and no one would be surprised to see him become the third best player from the 2019 draft (or 2nd, heaven forbid Williamson fails to stay healthy, which is a very real risk). Everyone in the league basically assumes Chicago is building around him

Actually, drafting Coby was the only good thing PaxGar did over the past decade. They very well could have d*cked up that pick
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Thread: Bulls pick 4th: PT 2 

Post#1725 » by PhilLeotardo » Mon Oct 19, 2020 4:27 am

PlayerUp wrote:
PhilLeotardo wrote:2020 is extremely weak.

There is still some value to be found, and I’m sure AKEVS will milk it for all it’s worth, but this draft just sucks:

it lacks athletes


It does lack athletes no doubt about it

PhilLeotardo wrote:it lacks shooters


Shooting can improve at the NBA level so a draft lacking shooters isn't a big deal. As long as the player has a quality form he should have shooting upside in the NBA.

PhilLeotardo wrote:it lacks wings


Yes it does in the lottery.

PhilLeotardo wrote:it lacks depth


In the early lottery yes but outside plenty of talent.

PhilLeotardo wrote:it lacks pretty much everything


This is a point guard draft. It's absolutely loaded with point guards which is why we should probably be looking at a point guard this draft.

- LaMelo Ball
- Killian Hayes
- Tyrese Haliburton
- Kira Lewis
- Cole Anthony
- RJ Hampton
- Tyrell Terry
- Theo Maledon

It's loaded with playmakers and has defensive bigman. It's deep with potential gems later in the draft. It also has potential 3-D Wings.


I recognize it’s strength, I mentioned that it’s notable for having a good PG crop. However, none of those guys really stand out to me as anything more than bench players in the League, save for Halliburton, *maybe* Lewis.

I wouldn’t want any of those guys taking time away from Coby. He’s going to be better than all of them imo. If I had to take one, I’d go Haliburton, as I think he’s the 2nd safest pick to become a great player behind Vassell, but even then I don’t see him being better than Coby in the long run
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Thread: Bulls pick 4th: PT 2 

Post#1726 » by PlayerUp » Mon Oct 19, 2020 4:32 am

Everything about Tyrese Haliburton for the most part was pretty solid:

15.2 PPG
50.4% FG
41.9% 3PT
5.9 RPG
6.5 APG
2.5 SPG
63.5% TS
26 PER
121.2 Offensive Rating
97.4 Defensive Rating

If he was 19, he'd be our clear pick at #4.

The 19 year olds/freshman in this draft underwhelmed and their draft stock is too high and the sophomores draft stock is too low. Specifically Kira Lewis, Devin Vassell, Kira Lewis, Aaron Nesmith.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Thread: Bulls pick 4th: PT 2 

Post#1727 » by PlayerUp » Mon Oct 19, 2020 4:48 am

PhilLeotardo wrote:IIf I had to take one, I’d go Haliburton, as I think he’s the 2nd safest pick to become a great player behind Vassell, but even then I don’t see him being better than Coby in the long run


Who is the safest?

I'm in agreement with you and I'm leaning going after one of these sophomores or get another bigman in Wiseman/Okongwu.

The #1 issue with this draft is really the freshman. They all for the most part underwelmed much like Cam Reddish did last season. The sophomores are fine.

Here is NBADraft mock draft from 1 year ago. 9 of the 14 slipped

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Post#1728 » by gobullschi » Mon Oct 19, 2020 4:49 am

kodo wrote:Haberstroh thinks AK will move up.
https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/bulls/nba-draft-2020-haberstroh-expects-bulls-pursue-trading-no-1-or-2
“I think [Karnišovas] might move up, because I think No. 1 with Minnesota and No. 2 (with Golden State) is going to be readily available,” Haberstroh said. “I would be surprised if you didn’t see Charlotte (at No. 3) or Chicago move up in the draft.”

A move up would be a risk, but if made by Karnišovas, you can bet it’ll be a calculated one. It could just be a matter of the price — and if there’s a prospect near the top that catches his eye.

“What is Chicago willing to give up to move up in the draft? If they have a guy that they really want and they don’t want to risk losing that player at No. 4? I don’t know what they’re willing to give up,” Haberstroh said. “But I do think that it wouldn’t be out of the realm, I wouldn’t be surprised if Artūras made a big splash on draft night and got a player that he really, really covets and values.

Even if Karnišovas stays put, his track record from his days in the Denver Nuggets’ front office gives reason to believe he can find the right player for the Bulls.

“[Karnišovas] is also a guy who came from a Denver organization that found gems later in the draft. So maybe he’s not as dead set on moving up in the draft, you almost think maybe he realizes I could get a lot of talent by sitting back,” Haberstroh added. “But I do think there’s gonna be a lot of trades on draft night. People are gonna be itchy to make deals after being silent for so long.

“I don’t know who the right fit is at No. 4 (for the Bulls), but I do think you need some defensive-minded guys for Billy Donovan. And whether that’s you get that in free agency or you get that in trades, I’m not sure, but I do think they need a defensive-minded guy to complement Coby White. If he is truly the franchise going forward, I do think you need a more defensive focus guy.”


I don't know where Haberstroh got the idea this franchise is building around White...my goals for him are to be an NBA starter level guy, not a franchise player.


The Bulls were 11 wins short of making the playoffs in ’19-’20. Multiple rotational players missed extensive time; Otto Porter Jr. missed 51 games, Wendell Carter Jr. missed 22 games, Lauri Markkanen missed 15 games (& had his first child), and Kris Dunn missed 14 games. The second half of the season’s schedule was supposed to be easy too. The Bulls are not as bad of a team as their record indicates. The Bulls were actually fortunate to have the season cut short because it improved their projected draft selection, which lead to them winning the lottery to move up to the 4th pick.

In a typical year, this would be the ideal situation for the Bulls to make a trade to move up in the draft or trade for an All-Star, but I do not know if there are any prospects worth moving up for.
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Post#1729 » by ZOMG » Mon Oct 19, 2020 5:19 am

kodo wrote:Haberstroh thinks AK will move up.
https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/bulls/nba-draft-2020-haberstroh-expects-bulls-pursue-trading-no-1-or-2
“I think [Karnišovas] might move up, because I think No. 1 with Minnesota and No. 2 (with Golden State) is going to be readily available,” Haberstroh said. “I would be surprised if you didn’t see Charlotte (at No. 3) or Chicago move up in the draft.”

A move up would be a risk, but if made by Karnišovas, you can bet it’ll be a calculated one. It could just be a matter of the price — and if there’s a prospect near the top that catches his eye.

“What is Chicago willing to give up to move up in the draft? If they have a guy that they really want and they don’t want to risk losing that player at No. 4? I don’t know what they’re willing to give up,” Haberstroh said. “But I do think that it wouldn’t be out of the realm, I wouldn’t be surprised if Artūras made a big splash on draft night and got a player that he really, really covets and values.

Even if Karnišovas stays put, his track record from his days in the Denver Nuggets’ front office gives reason to believe he can find the right player for the Bulls.

“[Karnišovas] is also a guy who came from a Denver organization that found gems later in the draft. So maybe he’s not as dead set on moving up in the draft, you almost think maybe he realizes I could get a lot of talent by sitting back,” Haberstroh added. “But I do think there’s gonna be a lot of trades on draft night. People are gonna be itchy to make deals after being silent for so long.

“I don’t know who the right fit is at No. 4 (for the Bulls), but I do think you need some defensive-minded guys for Billy Donovan. And whether that’s you get that in free agency or you get that in trades, I’m not sure, but I do think they need a defensive-minded guy to complement Coby White. If he is truly the franchise going forward, I do think you need a more defensive focus guy.”


I don't know where Haberstroh got the idea this franchise is building around White...my goals for him are to be an NBA starter level guy, not a franchise player.


It's weird, isn't it? At this point, I think most of these guys didn't really even watch Bulls basketball last season. They checked White's torrid late season stats and decided that he obviously looks like a franchise building block. :lol:

Never mind that he's an athletically challenged bomber with no conscience or playmaking ability whatsoever. In another team, Coby wold've been the 3rd guy off the bench.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Thread: Bulls pick 4th: PT 2 

Post#1730 » by MrFortune3 » Mon Oct 19, 2020 6:08 am

PhilLeotardo wrote:
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PhilLeotardo wrote:
We will never see another draft as weak as 2000. There are simply too many prospects around the world & too many people who know how to play the game right at an extremely early age now via YouTube ie: being able to watch film wherever whenever

However, 2020 is definitely very weak. Shockingly not *that* far off from 2000. It’s definitely more 2000 than 2019, if that makes any sense


2020 isn't weak, there are just question marks on who will be the top talent. 2000 was legit weak a ****. Like it was terrible from a prospect perspective. Chris Mihm was a top prospect...


2020 is extremely weak. I get that fans of teams with top 5 picks are trying to hype themselves up as much as possible, but this draft is very unimpressive, especially considering that ‘21 is only a year away, and several teams (The Bulls included) picking top 10 this year probably won’t be in play to pick top 10 next year, which really stings

There is still some value to be found, and I’m sure AKEVS will milk it for all it’s worth, but this draft just sucks: it lacks athletes, it lacks shooters, it lacks good sized distributors, it lacks wings, it lacks depth, it lacks pretty much everything, and one of the top 5 picks hasn’t even played basketball & is a complete question mark. It’s notable for having a decent crop of PG talent, but outside of that, it doesn’t have much going for it. And once you get past the top 20, it starts to get particularly grim


Literally, every time people say that, 3+ franchise players and multiple solid or better players come out of the draft. Same as most years.
This is not a weak draft, fans just want ready made franchise player with years of hype and no work having to be put in.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Thread: Bulls pick 4th: PT 2 

Post#1731 » by HomoSapien » Mon Oct 19, 2020 8:24 am

MrFortune3 wrote:
PhilLeotardo wrote:
MrFortune3 wrote:
2020 isn't weak, there are just question marks on who will be the top talent. 2000 was legit weak a ****. Like it was terrible from a prospect perspective. Chris Mihm was a top prospect...


2020 is extremely weak. I get that fans of teams with top 5 picks are trying to hype themselves up as much as possible, but this draft is very unimpressive, especially considering that ‘21 is only a year away, and several teams (The Bulls included) picking top 10 this year probably won’t be in play to pick top 10 next year, which really stings

There is still some value to be found, and I’m sure AKEVS will milk it for all it’s worth, but this draft just sucks: it lacks athletes, it lacks shooters, it lacks good sized distributors, it lacks wings, it lacks depth, it lacks pretty much everything, and one of the top 5 picks hasn’t even played basketball & is a complete question mark. It’s notable for having a decent crop of PG talent, but outside of that, it doesn’t have much going for it. And once you get past the top 20, it starts to get particularly grim


Literally, every time people say that, 3+ franchise players and multiple solid or better players come out of the draft. Same as most years.
This is not a weak draft, fans just want ready made franchise player with years of hype and no work having to be put in.


This really is the most unpredictable draft we've ever had. Guys who typically would have seen their draft stock shoot up after a strong tournament showing, never got that chance. I personally felt like this draft was weak before the pandemic hit, but now I'm even more worried about these guys' development considering a ton of them probably haven't gotten the training, attention, and experience they would have in a normal year. If anything, this is probably the draft to have mid to late first-round picks, as you're more likely to pick up someone who just didn't have a chance to get their stock going (Cole Anthony and Nico Manion come to mind).
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Post#1732 » by The Chosen one » Mon Oct 19, 2020 9:53 am

Really hope the bulls are able to draft Wiseman, Edwards, Toppin. Those should be the targets. Wouldn’t mind Ball either. Deni/Okorro/Haliburton to a lesser extent would be ok.
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Post#1733 » by The Chosen one » Mon Oct 19, 2020 9:55 am

I really like Markannan and want him to have a bounce back year. But I think if the bulls were to draft either Wiseman or Toppin it’s a decent chance they would bust his ass in training camp.
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Post#1734 » by ZOMG » Mon Oct 19, 2020 10:03 am

The Chosen one wrote:I really like Markannan and want him to have a bounce back year. But I think if the bulls were to draft either Wiseman or Toppin it’s a decent chance they would bust his ass in training camp.


It doesn't matter what happens in training camp. You prove your worth in actual NBA games.

That said, Lauris offense is far too valuable anyway for him to lose any PT to a rookie, of all people. It's much more likely that Toppin (supposing he can actually hack it in the NBA, which is not a given) would eventually surpass Wendell in the rotation. You see... Obi can actually shoot.
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Post#1735 » by The Chosen one » Mon Oct 19, 2020 10:10 am

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The Chosen one wrote:I really like Markannan and want him to have a bounce back year. But I think if the bulls were to draft either Wiseman or Toppin it’s a decent chance they would bust his ass in training camp.


It doesn't matter what happens in training camp. You prove your worth in actual NBA games.

That said, Lauris offense is far too valuable anyway for him to lose any PT to a rookie, of all people. It's much more likely that Toppin (supposing he can actually hack it in the NBA, which is not a given) would eventually surpass Wendell in the rotation. You see... Obi can actually shoot.

No it’s not. Lauri was barely missed last year when he didn’t play. Give me Carter any day. A guy that grabs tough boards, high defensive IQ and rim protector. Carter has a nice stroke from midrange but didn’t get a chance to shoot it much. If bulls draft Toppin and he outperforms Lauri in camp, it means that he most likely is ready to play right away in the league. I do hope Lauri make a comeback because I always been a fan of him even when he played at Arizona. But his mentality is what holds him back. Toppin can do everything offensively.
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Post#1736 » by Andi Obst » Mon Oct 19, 2020 10:38 am

Less than a month until we can stop discussing this terrible class. Really can't wait for the draft to finally happen.
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Post#1737 » by PlayerUp » Mon Oct 19, 2020 11:05 am

Some Trade Scenarios Previously Discussed On RealGM Trades Page Proposed By Other Teams

#4 for #8 + #27 + Mavs Heavily Protected 2023 1st Rd Pick
Otto Porter for #18 + #31 + Hardaway + Wright
Sato for #21 + Scott + Zhaire - viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2008479

Bulls can probably position themselves here if done right to nab 2 picks at #4 to #27 if they make some creative moves.
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Post#1738 » by PlayerUp » Mon Oct 19, 2020 11:10 am

HomoSapien wrote:This really is the most unpredictable draft we've ever had. Guys who typically would have seen their draft stock shoot up after a strong tournament showing, never got that chance. I personally felt like this draft was weak before the pandemic hit, but now I'm even more worried about these guys' development considering a ton of them probably haven't gotten the training, attention, and experience they would have in a normal year. If anything, this is probably the draft to have mid to late first-round picks, as you're more likely to pick up someone who just didn't have a chance to get their stock going (Cole Anthony and Nico Manion come to mind).


Which is why it maybe wiser to go the safer route and go with prospects who played well during the NCAA season.

Tyrese Haliburton
Onyeka Okongwu
Devin Vassell
James Wiseman (if he drops)

We'll see if anything changes during predraft workouts.
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Post#1739 » by Andi Obst » Mon Oct 19, 2020 11:15 am

PlayerUp wrote:Some Trade Scenarios Previously Discussed On RealGM Trades Page Proposed By Other Teams

#4 for #8 + #27 + Mavs Heavily Protected 2023 1st Rd Pick
Otto Porter for #18 + #31 + Hardaway + Wright
Sato for #21 + Scott + Zhaire - viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2008479

Bulls can probably position themselves here if done right to nab 2 picks at #4 to #27 if they make some creative moves.


Why would the Mavs give up that much for OPJ? But yes please, let them do it. I would also definitely do the Sixers deal but don't see why they would.

The first Mavs deal is tough. Some of my favorite prospects (Hayes, Vassell, Kong for example) could still be there at 8, but it's hard to do that deal without knowing how the draft will go. Just too much uncertainty for me.
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Post#1740 » by Andi Obst » Mon Oct 19, 2020 11:19 am

PlayerUp wrote:Which is why it maybe wiser to go the safer route and go with prospects who played well during the NCAA season.

Tyrese Haliburton
Onyeka Okongwu
Devin Vassell
James Wiseman (if he drops)


Wiseman played one relevant college game. Putting him on this list feels terribly wrong.

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