Why does no one talk about the other trade the Clippers made?

[docholliday99]

I just have to say, I think most here would make that trade for their team if there was the hint of adding a top 3 player and being a contender on the line.

[Liam_Gallagher]

To make matters worse, the Lakers got the more unselfish twin for free.

[PaKwAn]

I get that it's en vogue to make fun of the Clippers, but the Paul George trade is not even close to being one of the worst trades in NBA history.

When you start of a post like that, you risk losing readers at the first sentence.

OP is analyzing their situation going forward, he is not making fun of the organization. Their future is bleak if they don't win a championship and add some legitimacy to the franchise, because not only will nobody of significance want to sign there, they also won't have players to draft in what are going to be some very big drafts.

Then how'd they sign Kawhi?

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By doing one of the worst trades in NBA history...

[Lunartic]

Some of this criticism is warranted- some of it makes zero sense.

As far as Paul George, he was considered a top-10/15 player by most on this board (with a few notable exceptions claiming he was always overrated and a choker.) As well as by most major NBA publications. He was top-5 in MVP voting recently. Don't make me post quotes of the users in this thread saying he's top-10 or that they wish their team traded for him.

Marcus Morris was actually decent in the playoffs this year giving them 12/5/2 1 stl on .680 TS - without his scoring the Clippers possibly lose to the Mavs.

If the purpose is to win a title in the present, then massing assets (young players, picks) only makes sense for two purposes. One is internal long term growth of assets. That is not a priority when you have a 30yr old superstar with a chronic knee injury.

The other purpose is to trade them for a consolidation of talent.

Trading away Gallo and SGA in retrospect was a bad move, however, it's not unheard of that a young talented player and an old injury prone vet would be traded for a younger, better than both- star. That's how consolidation trades work. Similar to the Melo to NY trade.

Too many posters have this Danny Ainge "hoard all the picks" mentality. Having 4 1st round picks and never actually cashing them in for a star severely dampens their usefulness. The vast majority of players drafted are busts. The majority of trades for star players are successful.

And to be clear- if there is a possibility of your team mortgaging their immediate future for a top-3 player in Kawhi and a top-20 in PG, your team will do it and not think twice. The only way to win a title in today's NBA is with a top-5 player and very good #2 man. Sometimes the only way to escape mediocrity is to take a risk.

[LakersSoul]

Some of this criticism is warranted- some of it makes zero sense.

As far as Paul George, he was considered a top-10/15 player by most on this board (with a few notable exceptions claiming he was always overrated and a choker.) As well as by most major NBA publications. He was top-5 in MVP voting recently. Don't make me post quotes of the users in this thread saying he's top-10 or that they wish their team traded for him.

Marcus Morris was actually decent in the playoffs this year giving them 12/5/2 1 stl on .680 TS - without his scoring the Clippers possibly lose to the Mavs.

If the purpose is to win a title in the present, then massing assets (young players, picks) only makes sense for two purposes. One is internal long term growth of assets. That is not a priority when you have a 30yr old superstar with a chronic knee injury.

The other purpose is to trade them for a consolidation of talent.

Trading away Gallo and SGA in retrospect was a bad move, however, it's not unheard of that a young talented player and an old injury prone vet would be traded for a younger, better than both- star. That's how consolidation trades work. Similar to the Melo to NY trade.

Too many posters have this Danny Ainge "hoard all the picks" mentality. Having 4 1st round picks and never actually cashing them in for a star severely dampens their usefulness. The vast majority of players drafted are busts. The majority of trades for star players are successful.

And to be clear- if there is a possibility of your team mortgaging their immediate future for a top-3 player in Kawhi and a top-20 in PG, your team will do it and not think twice. The only way to win a title in today's NBA is with a top-5 player and very good #2 man. Sometimes the only way to escape mediocrity is to take a risk.

Well said Lunartic!!

Clippers surely overpaid and will regret letting SGA go but that was the price to quickly jump 2 levels. If that was PG alone, it would have been grossly overpaid but we know it included Kawhi and kept Kawhi from going to the Lakers. Lakers forced Clippers to mortgage their future. They had to make this move or be irrelevant in LA for the next decade.

Lakers also forced the Clippers to overpay for the worse brother. Harkless is a solid player and adding a FRP, SRP and a swap on top was irresponsible.

I don’t understand how he got the EOY award. That’s just foul. Voters should be ashamed of themselves. In the end, Lakers winning the ring made the PG trade, the Morris trade and voting Clippers EOY just look so biased and laughable.

NBA should look into changing the voting system.

[Texas Chuck]

Puddles attempting to spit facts on a board that could care less hurts my soul a little bit.

[Pointgod]

Yes that Morris trade was horrible my God what were the Clippers thinking? I remember the chatter was around Morris for a second or at most 2 seconds. The Clippers **** the bed with that trade. I never understood why contending teams don’t over emphasize on having young guys on rookie contracts. You can have them develop in the d-league if you don’t want to take up a roster spot. Even late picks could turn into a rotation player. Just imagine how different things would have turned out for Toronto if they had traded away late picks like Siakim and OG.

[OrangeBlueSkies]

NOBODY TALKS ABOUT THIS BECAUSE THE KNICKS ACTUALLY DID SOMETHING RIGHT FOR ONCE. AND 1 IF YOU AGREE.

[Duffman100]

I thought they trade was a too clever for half. But I also really don't like the Morris brothers.

Harkless is a solid role player and defender who knew his place on the pecking order.

[wade44]

Morris was not only a poor fit but also hurt the team chemistry in not aligning with guys like Kawhi and PG. Simply an awful deal

[Kingdibs19]

Markieff > Marcus

[TheNewEra]

OP is analyzing their situation going forward, he is not making fun of the organization. Their future is bleak if they don't win a championship and add some legitimacy to the franchise, because not only will nobody of significance want to sign there, they also won't have players to draft in what are going to be some very big drafts.

Then how'd they sign Kawhi?

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They got lucky that he was obsessed with playing in his hometown and that LeBron was already with the Lakers.

Stuff like this clearly makes you a troll

[TheNewEra]

I thought they trade was a too clever for half. But I also really don't like the Morris brothers.

Harkless is a solid role player and defender who knew his place on the pecking order.

Harkless couldn’t score with a damn and his defense was starting to get his minutes reduced even before the trade. It could of been the trade rumors or lack on confidence but people are nuts if they don’t think Marcus helped get us passed that Dallas series

[TheNewEra]

The Paul George trade was arguably one of the worst trades in NBA history.

I get that it's en vogue to make fun of the Clippers, but the Paul George trade is not even close to being one of the worst trades in NBA history.

When you start of a post like that, you risk losing readers at the first sentence.

Like a Raptors and lakers circle jerk when only one team won the title lol. Both need to move on it’s desperate reaching by now.

The clippers gave up 3 first rounders for PG and Kawhi if your franchise won’t make that move your nuts.

2 picks belong to Miami and if OKC somehow becomes better than the clippers with a likely rebuild this offseason then tough luck

[spikeslovechild]

The Paul George trade was arguably one of the worst trades in NBA history.

I get that it's en vogue to make fun of the Clippers, but the Paul George trade is not even close to being one of the worst trades in NBA history.

When you start of a post like that, you risk losing readers at the first sentence.

I mean it may the book it still not written. The picks have yet to be selected. In some ways OKC being so good saved them because Gallo could have been moved for multiple first rounders.

He may still be moved as a result of the trade. Give this one some time. See who Presti selects.

[Duffman100]

I thought they trade was a too clever for half. But I also really don't like the Morris brothers.

Harkless is a solid role player and defender who knew his place on the pecking order.

Harkless couldn’t score with a damn and his defense was starting to get his minutes reduced even before the trade. It could of been the trade rumors or lack on confidence but people are nuts if they don’t think Marcus helped get us passed that Dallas series

I'm just not Morris brothers fan. From all of their history, I have a hard time believing they do anything positive in the locker room.

Adding a knucklehead, mercurial personality, late in the season just isn't a recipe for success unless you have the leadership for him to fall into line. Definitely wasn't worth the assets they included.

[Raps in 4]

Lawrence Frank somehow won EOTY this year lmao.

[ATRAIN53]

I think it's because it was pretty well known they went ALL IN when they realized they had Kawhi and PG for only 2 years guaranteed.

They had to get WIN NOW guys and didn't really care how much of the future they mortgaged.
Jerome Robinson or the 2021 pick wasn't helping them win it with those 2 guys.

We'll be talking about them plenty because I don't see how they topple the Lakers.
They can't guard AD for 7 games.

Even if they don't win, I'm gonna say it's still a win for Ballmer.
People actually care and talk about the Clippers - that's actually a win for that franchise.

[LakersSoul]

I thought they trade was a too clever for half. But I also really don't like the Morris brothers.

Harkless is a solid role player and defender who knew his place on the pecking order.

Harkless couldn’t score with a damn and his defense was starting to get his minutes reduced even before the trade. It could of been the trade rumors or lack on confidence but people are nuts if they don’t think Marcus helped get us passed that Dallas series

I hope the Lakers pick up Harkless as our wing defender.

[TheNewEra]

Lawrence Frank somehow won EOTY this year lmao.

-Flipped a second year prospect and soon to be expiring for a reigning finals mvp and a player that finished top 3 in MVP voting

-Had a roster finish second in the west with one star load managing a chronic leg injury and the other double shoulder surgery

-collected assets in the Jimmy Butler trade to secure Kawhi and PG13

-used assets to obtain the most valued names during the trade deadline and buyout market

It’s not all that surprising if looking at it as a regular season award