NBA Trade Thread #2

[MrSparkle]

If ranking positional needs, am I off in saying its
3 1 4 2 5 ?

For the Bulls, I'd actually say 34521. Besides needing a deeper wing rotation in general, I think our front court sucks.

Lauri sucks (sorry but that's the cold truth)- he's probably the worst starting PF in the league. His PER was 37th amongst PFs - I know a lot of factors made that digit lower than it should be, but still, I'm fairly certain we can all list atleast 25 PFs we'd rather have (contracts/age aside). Lots of people keep saying PF is a "dead" position, but every good team in the league has good options at PF. They just need to be quick, physical and skilled. Lauri checks one of those boxes; kinda. His 3P shooting has been mediocre, and his post-up skills are appalling.

Wendell might be good eventually, but he's injury prone and very raw on offense. Gafford is very athletic and potentially excellent energy man, but totally raw and potentially fighting for a place in the league if he doesn't figure out how to play system defense. Felicio is an embarrassment at $8m who should be cut. Kornet should grow a mustache and join the deep bench of the 1995 Vancouver Grizzlies.

I actually think if we had an above-the-rim pair at the 4-5 (with a healthy Otto at 3), that could defend, control the glass and protect the rim, the second opportunities that Coby and Zach get, we'd probably be winning at a +500 clip.

This seems removed from the reality of what made us a bad team last year. Specifically, our horrendous offense. Our defense was actually .500 ball quality.

Are above the rim-finishers who control the glass and protect the rim going to fix our terrible offense? I'm thinking not.

Well, I was amongst the half that thought Boylen's defensive metrics were misleading- the overall bad performance tells more. Any thought to our (open) shooting being particularly terrible due to most the player's energies being spent on aggressive defense? They led the league in steals, but were 26th in blocks and 29th in rebounding. Dead last in defensive rebounding. 24th in fouls committed.

Those are all alarming stats for a 'solid' defensive team. I'd say having a bunch of quick feet (3 small guards) helped get that steal rate up and made the blitzes a little more effective (until the 2nd half when teams figured it out), but obviously the Bulls were punished on the glass or in the paint by having those un-athletic bigs pulled out. And the results weren't good considering the coach demanded maximum effort on an aggressive defensive scheme.

Giving up second chances to teams, it doesn't show up in FG% or other defensive metrics, but it is demoralizing for a team's energy and effort. And not having a shot blocker inside, it's also demoralizing when teams start getting to the paint and perimeter guys can't slow their match-ups. "Demoralized" sums up my feeling on the 19-20 Boylen Bulls.

Sounds old school, but it really isn't considering every playoff team except the Celtics and Rockets had big and/or athletic rebounders and defenders at PF/C. Frankly both underachieved considering their quality of perimeter talent. Blazers would've had no chance without the mediocre Nurkic/Whiteside rotation. Coby/Zach would benefit from big athletic defenders.

[ZOMG]

For the Bulls, I'd actually say 34521. Besides needing a deeper wing rotation in general, I think our front court sucks.

Lauri sucks (sorry but that's the cold truth)- he's probably the worst starting PF in the league. His PER was 37th amongst PFs - I know a lot of factors made that digit lower than it should be, but still, I'm fairly certain we can all list atleast 25 PFs we'd rather have (contracts/age aside). Lots of people keep saying PF is a "dead" position, but every good team in the league has good options at PF. They just need to be quick, physical and skilled. Lauri checks one of those boxes; kinda. His 3P shooting has been mediocre, and his post-up skills are appalling.

Wendell might be good eventually, but he's injury prone and very raw on offense. Gafford is very athletic and potentially excellent energy man, but totally raw and potentially fighting for a place in the league if he doesn't figure out how to play system defense. Felicio is an embarrassment at $8m who should be cut. Kornet should grow a mustache and join the deep bench of the 1995 Vancouver Grizzlies.

I actually think if we had an above-the-rim pair at the 4-5 (with a healthy Otto at 3), that could defend, control the glass and protect the rim, the second opportunities that Coby and Zach get, we'd probably be winning at a +500 clip.

This seems removed from the reality of what made us a bad team last year. Specifically, our horrendous offense. Our defense was actually .500 ball quality.

Are above the rim-finishers who control the glass and protect the rim going to fix our terrible offense? I'm thinking not.

Well, I was amongst the half that thought Boylen's defensive metrics were misleading- the overall bad performance tells more. Any thought to our (open) shooting being particularly terrible due to most the player's energies being spent on aggressive defense? They led the league in steals, but were 26th in blocks and 29th in rebounding. Dead last in defensive rebounding. 24th in fouls committed.

Those are all alarming stats for a 'solid' defensive team. I'd say having a bunch of quick feet (3 small guards) helped get that steal rate up and made the blitzes a little more effective (until the 2nd half when teams figured it out), but obviously the Bulls were punished on the glass or in the paint by having those un-athletic bigs pulled out. And the results weren't good considering the coach demanded maximum effort on an aggressive defensive scheme.

Giving up second chances to teams, it doesn't show up in FG% or other defensive metrics, but it is demoralizing for a team's energy and effort. And not having a shot blocker inside, it's also demoralizing when teams start getting to the paint and perimeter guys can't slow their match-ups. "Demoralized" sums up my feeling on the 19-20 Boylen Bulls.

Sounds old school, but it really isn't considering every playoff team except the Celtics and Rockets had big and/or athletic rebounders and defenders at PF/C. Frankly both underachieved considering their quality of perimeter talent. Blazers would've had no chance without the mediocre Nurkic/Whiteside rotation. Coby/Zach would benefit from big athletic defenders.

You could just as well say that the Bulls bigs would benefit from perimeter defenders who don't have alligator arms or suffer from chronic mental lapses. (I'm supposing here that the Bulls abandon Boylen's crazy blitzing schemes next season, placing the bigs nearer the basket).

Anyway, keeping all this in mind, I wonder why some are so enamored with Obi Toppin. By all accounts he's an absolutely horrible half court defender despite having the physical profile of a rim protector.

[TheSuzerain]

For the Bulls, I'd actually say 34521. Besides needing a deeper wing rotation in general, I think our front court sucks.

Lauri sucks (sorry but that's the cold truth)- he's probably the worst starting PF in the league. His PER was 37th amongst PFs - I know a lot of factors made that digit lower than it should be, but still, I'm fairly certain we can all list atleast 25 PFs we'd rather have (contracts/age aside). Lots of people keep saying PF is a "dead" position, but every good team in the league has good options at PF. They just need to be quick, physical and skilled. Lauri checks one of those boxes; kinda. His 3P shooting has been mediocre, and his post-up skills are appalling.

Wendell might be good eventually, but he's injury prone and very raw on offense. Gafford is very athletic and potentially excellent energy man, but totally raw and potentially fighting for a place in the league if he doesn't figure out how to play system defense. Felicio is an embarrassment at $8m who should be cut. Kornet should grow a mustache and join the deep bench of the 1995 Vancouver Grizzlies.

I actually think if we had an above-the-rim pair at the 4-5 (with a healthy Otto at 3), that could defend, control the glass and protect the rim, the second opportunities that Coby and Zach get, we'd probably be winning at a +500 clip.

This seems removed from the reality of what made us a bad team last year. Specifically, our horrendous offense. Our defense was actually .500 ball quality.

Are above the rim-finishers who control the glass and protect the rim going to fix our terrible offense? I'm thinking not.

Well, I was amongst the half that thought Boylen's defensive metrics were misleading- the overall bad performance tells more. Any thought to our (open) shooting being particularly terrible due to most the player's energies being spent on aggressive defense? They led the league in steals, but were 26th in blocks and 29th in rebounding. Dead last in defensive rebounding. 24th in fouls committed.

Those are all alarming stats for a 'solid' defensive team. I'd say having a bunch of quick feet (3 small guards) helped get that steal rate up and made the blitzes a little more effective (until the 2nd half when teams figured it out), but obviously the Bulls were punished on the glass or in the paint by having those un-athletic bigs pulled out. And the results weren't good considering the coach demanded maximum effort on an aggressive defensive scheme.

Giving up second chances to teams, it doesn't show up in FG% or other defensive metrics, but it is demoralizing for a team's energy and effort. And not having a shot blocker inside, it's also demoralizing when teams start getting to the paint and perimeter guys can't slow their match-ups. "Demoralized" sums up my feeling on the 19-20 Boylen Bulls.

Sounds old school, but it really isn't considering every playoff team except the Celtics and Rockets had big and/or athletic rebounders and defenders at PF/C. Frankly both underachieved considering their quality of perimeter talent. Blazers would've had no chance without the mediocre Nurkic/Whiteside rotation. Coby/Zach would benefit from big athletic defenders.

This seems like a major spin job to avoid criticizing our guards for how bad our offense was.

The very apparent issue with the offense is we have no playmaker who can make things easier on others. Sato is the best passer on the team, but he's obviously not dynamic enough to do it as a lead guy. Lavine is dynamic enough but has very little talent as a passer/playmaker for others.

The other very obvious issue is that we let the guy with the worst scoring efficiency on the team (yes, worse than Dunn) finish 2nd on the team in shot attempts. That's obviously not a good way to set up your offense.

Don't let the comparatively minor issues (the bigs) distract from the crux of the issue offensively. Which is that the guys who did most of the ball-handling were among the worst in the league at their job.

[sco]

I'm still ten toes on AK trading up for Wiseman. I would be happy sending the Warriors Carter and 4 for Wiseman. Carter's body was worrisome in the bubble minicamp. It looks like he's still going about 270lbs, and that's the Carter Jr. I'd gladly ship out of Chicago.

What Carter is nowhere close to 270 pounds. He looked about 250. He was moving very well, and looked mobile.i do want Wiseman though but that’s to replace Lauri.

250? That's not what my eyes saw. Carter looked pretty hefty. At this point, I'm cool with trading Markkanen or Carter. It was pretty disturbing to watch Lauri's post up attempt against Lavine. Whoever the Warriors want the most they can surely have.

Yeah, I thought he looked to be in much better shape that the past season. He definitely looked chunky last season, and I didn't see much, if any of that in the minicamp pics I saw. To be fair, most of those pics have guys with sleeves, so it's harder to see definition. I agree that Carter, like Lauri, got bad advice to bulk up. Both guys' games were more predicated on their footspeed, not strength. Carter, IMO, got heavier too, due to less cardio due to injury.

[sco]

This seems removed from the reality of what made us a bad team last year. Specifically, our horrendous offense. Our defense was actually .500 ball quality.

Are above the rim-finishers who control the glass and protect the rim going to fix our terrible offense? I'm thinking not.

Well, I was amongst the half that thought Boylen's defensive metrics were misleading- the overall bad performance tells more. Any thought to our (open) shooting being particularly terrible due to most the player's energies being spent on aggressive defense? They led the league in steals, but were 26th in blocks and 29th in rebounding. Dead last in defensive rebounding. 24th in fouls committed.

Those are all alarming stats for a 'solid' defensive team. I'd say having a bunch of quick feet (3 small guards) helped get that steal rate up and made the blitzes a little more effective (until the 2nd half when teams figured it out), but obviously the Bulls were punished on the glass or in the paint by having those un-athletic bigs pulled out. And the results weren't good considering the coach demanded maximum effort on an aggressive defensive scheme.

Giving up second chances to teams, it doesn't show up in FG% or other defensive metrics, but it is demoralizing for a team's energy and effort. And not having a shot blocker inside, it's also demoralizing when teams start getting to the paint and perimeter guys can't slow their match-ups. "Demoralized" sums up my feeling on the 19-20 Boylen Bulls.

Sounds old school, but it really isn't considering every playoff team except the Celtics and Rockets had big and/or athletic rebounders and defenders at PF/C. Frankly both underachieved considering their quality of perimeter talent. Blazers would've had no chance without the mediocre Nurkic/Whiteside rotation. Coby/Zach would benefit from big athletic defenders.

This seems like a major spin job to avoid criticizing our guards for how bad our offense was.

The very apparent issue with the offense is we have no playmaker who can make things easier on others. Sato is the best passer on the team, but he's obviously not dynamic enough to do it as a lead guy. Lavine is dynamic enough but has very little talent as a passer/playmaker for others.

The other very obvious issue is that we let the guy with the worst scoring efficiency on the team (yes, worse than Dunn) finish 2nd on the team in shot attempts. That's obviously not a good way to set up your offense.

Don't let the comparatively minor issues (the bigs) distract from the crux of the issue offensively. Which is that the guys who did most of the ball-handling were among the worst in the league at their job.

Our offense sucked because:
1-10) Porter played 14 games, Carter played 43, and the line-up of Sato, Lavine, Porter, Markkanen, Carter played a whopping 119 minutes together all season. We had to lead the league in scrub minutes played.
11) Boylen wasn't a good offensive coach, but part of that is that he had to hide so many bad players.

[MrSparkle]

This seems removed from the reality of what made us a bad team last year. Specifically, our horrendous offense. Our defense was actually .500 ball quality.

Are above the rim-finishers who control the glass and protect the rim going to fix our terrible offense? I'm thinking not.

Well, I was amongst the half that thought Boylen's defensive metrics were misleading- the overall bad performance tells more. Any thought to our (open) shooting being particularly terrible due to most the player's energies being spent on aggressive defense? They led the league in steals, but were 26th in blocks and 29th in rebounding. Dead last in defensive rebounding. 24th in fouls committed.

Those are all alarming stats for a 'solid' defensive team. I'd say having a bunch of quick feet (3 small guards) helped get that steal rate up and made the blitzes a little more effective (until the 2nd half when teams figured it out), but obviously the Bulls were punished on the glass or in the paint by having those un-athletic bigs pulled out. And the results weren't good considering the coach demanded maximum effort on an aggressive defensive scheme.

Giving up second chances to teams, it doesn't show up in FG% or other defensive metrics, but it is demoralizing for a team's energy and effort. And not having a shot blocker inside, it's also demoralizing when teams start getting to the paint and perimeter guys can't slow their match-ups. "Demoralized" sums up my feeling on the 19-20 Boylen Bulls.

Sounds old school, but it really isn't considering every playoff team except the Celtics and Rockets had big and/or athletic rebounders and defenders at PF/C. Frankly both underachieved considering their quality of perimeter talent. Blazers would've had no chance without the mediocre Nurkic/Whiteside rotation. Coby/Zach would benefit from big athletic defenders.

This seems like a major spin job to avoid criticizing our guards for how bad our offense was.

The very apparent issue with the offense is we have no playmaker who can make things easier on others. Sato is the best passer on the team, but he's obviously not dynamic enough to do it as a lead guy. Lavine is dynamic enough but has very little talent as a passer/playmaker for others.

The other very obvious issue is that we let the guy with the worst scoring efficiency on the team (yes, worse than Dunn) finish 2nd on the team in shot attempts. That's obviously not a good way to set up your offense.

Don't let the comparatively minor issues (the bigs) distract from the crux of the issue offensively. Which is that the guys who did most of the ball-handling were among the worst in the league at their job.

I think a lot of teams would've made better use out of Coby, Zach, Arci, Sato, Lauri, Valentine... but that's just me, I guess? For the record, I'm not comparing expectations to a contender with Luka, Harden, Lebron, Kawhi. I 100% believe Donovan will get a way better offense out of whoever is left after the off-season.

I agree that a Rubio, Rondo could've helped a bit and of course a star-talent like Morant/Fox would've gotten things moving, but I honestly believe a quality PF & C (veterans) would've put this team up an extra 10 wins more that Rubio/Rondo type.

I was happy to see him go, but fact is RoLo and Niko helped the Bulls win games (that they should've lost and tanked), even with Dunn and Justin Holiday leading possessions.

[gardenofsound]

Who says no to either of these deals?
DEAL 1:

CHI-->PHX: Lauri Markkanen and Tomas Satoransky
PHX-->CHI: #10, Kelly Oubre Jr.

Why for Charlotte?
1. In LaVine, the Hornets get as good of a player as they could hope to get in FA. This is a similar rationale to Chicago's reasoning in the OPJ for Portis/Parker trade.
2. Young arguably comes in and slots in as Charlotte's starting PF.
3. Rozier/LaVine/Bridges/Young/Zeller. That team could poke into the playoffs. Batum has been pretty bad for the past 3 seasons and is just being thrown in to match salaries as an expiring.

DEAL 2:

CHI-->CHA: Zach LaVine and Thad Young
CHA-->CHI: #3, Nicolas Batum

Why for Phoenix?
1. Lauri Markkanen is a better player and prospect than any PF in this draft except for (maybe) Obi Toppin or Okungwu, both of whom project to be gone by 10.
2. No one who projects to be available at 10 would otherwise break into Phoenix's starting lineup, and they're looking to turn the corner and start making the playoffs more regularly. Rubio/Booker/Bridges/Markkanen/Ayton is a playoff starting lineup next season, with potential to develop into a contender if the young guys reach their peak.
3. Kelly Oubre is unlikely to end up back in Phoenix given that he'll be looking for starter money but will be behind Mikal Bridges on the depth chart.
4. Satoransky offers depth that Phoenix currently lacks at the 1 and 2 positions.


OVERALL play for Chicago here:

1. Commit to a one year tank for 2020-2021 and get another high-lotto pick for the 2021 draft, which projects to be much stronger.
2. Clear cap space for the 2021 offseason, to the point of having enough cap space to sign up to 3 max FA's, or two max plus other key role players.
3. Remake the roster in AK/ME/BD's vision, using the draft and next year's free agency.
4. Stockpile assets that can be used in future trades (similar to what LAL was able to do that led to the Anthony Davis trade).
5. Open the expected logjam at PG/SG with a potential Ball or Hayes pick coupled with the incumbent LaVine and White.
6. To sum it all up, the Bulls would go into next offseason with the following assets, either guaranteed or with team options: Coby White, Wendell Carter Jr., and Daniel Gafford (all on rookie contracts), along with 2020 #3, #4, #10, #44 and 2021 high lotto + high SRP.

[sco]

Who says no to either of these deals?
DEAL 1:

CHI-->PHX: Lauri Markkanen and Tomas Satoransky
PHX-->CHI: #10, Kelly Oubre Jr.

Why for Charlotte?
1. In LaVine, the Hornets get as good of a player as they could hope to get in FA. This is a similar rationale to Chicago's reasoning in the OPJ for Portis/Parker trade.
2. Young arguably comes in and slots in as Charlotte's starting PF.
3. Rozier/LaVine/Bridges/Young/Zeller. That team could poke into the playoffs. Batum has been pretty bad for the past 3 seasons and is just being thrown in to match salaries as an expiring.

DEAL 2:

CHI-->CHA: Zach LaVine and Thad Young
CHA-->CHI: #3, Nicolas Batum

Why for Phoenix?
1. Lauri Markkanen is a better player and prospect than any PF in this draft except for (maybe) Obi Toppin or Okungwu, both of whom project to be gone by 10.
2. No one who projects to be available at 10 would otherwise break into Phoenix's starting lineup, and they're looking to turn the corner and start making the playoffs more regularly. Rubio/Booker/Bridges/Markkanen/Ayton is a playoff starting lineup next season, with potential to develop into a contender if the young guys reach their peak.
3. Kelly Oubre is unlikely to end up back in Phoenix given that he'll be looking for starter money but will be behind Mikal Bridges on the depth chart.
4. Satoransky offers depth that Phoenix currently lacks at the 1 and 2 positions.


OVERALL play for Chicago here:

1. Commit to a one year tank for 2020-2021 and get another high-lotto pick for the 2021 draft, which projects to be much stronger.
2. Clear cap space for the 2021 offseason, to the point of having enough cap space to sign up to 3 max FA's, or two max plus other key role players.
3. Remake the roster in AK/ME/BD's vision, using the draft and next year's free agency.
4. Stockpile assets that can be used in future trades (similar to what LAL was able to do that led to the Anthony Davis trade).
5. Open the expected logjam at PG/SG with a potential Ball or Hayes pick coupled with the incumbent LaVine and White.
6. To sum it all up, the Bulls would go into next offseason with the following assets, either guaranteed or with team options: Coby White, Wendell Carter Jr., and Daniel Gafford (all on rookie contracts), along with 2020 #3, #4, #10, #44 and 2021 high lotto + high SRP.

I wouldn't mind #1. I think we could shift Otto to the PF position and start Oubre at SF and not lose any ground with Lauri leaving - plus we pick up #10. Sato is replaceable by a vet min guy.

I'm not dumping Zach. If we have 5 max spots open, I'm not convinced we nab any top 10 NBA players in their prime, so I'm keeping Zach. Also, having a bunch of picks this draft isn't all that great.

[gardenofsound]

I wouldn't mind #1. I think we could shift Otto to the PF position and start Oubre at SF and not lose any ground with Lauri leaving - plus we pick up #10. Sato is replaceable by a vet min guy.

I'm not dumping Zach. If we have 5 max spots open, I'm not convinced we nab any top 10 NBA players in their prime, so I'm keeping Zach. Also, having a bunch of picks this draft isn't all that great.

Would Phoenix say no to #1 though? That's where I wasn't really sure if Sato is the dealbreaker. I think he has utility in Phoenix but I'm not sure to what extent (and they could easily sign a player or players to shore up the bench instead of trading for one).

I don't feel like #2 is a Zach dump. If anything, it's a Thad Young dump to make up for the value disparity between #3 and LaVine (I think LaVine, straight up, is more valuable than #3 in this draft). Batum's value is just as a big expiring contract. His NBA career seems to be effectively done.

The value for the Bulls is getting #3 and clearing about $25mm in 2021-22 salary.

[sco]

I wouldn't mind #1. I think we could shift Otto to the PF position and start Oubre at SF and not lose any ground with Lauri leaving - plus we pick up #10. Sato is replaceable by a vet min guy.

I'm not dumping Zach. If we have 5 max spots open, I'm not convinced we nab any top 10 NBA players in their prime, so I'm keeping Zach. Also, having a bunch of picks this draft isn't all that great.

Would Phoenix say no to #1 though? That's where I wasn't really sure if Sato is the dealbreaker. I think he has utility in Phoenix but I'm not sure to what extent (and they could easily sign a player or players to shore up the bench instead of trading for one).

I don't feel like #2 is a Zach dump. If anything, it's a Thad Young dump to make up for the value disparity between #3 and LaVine (I think LaVine, straight up, is more valuable than #3 in this draft). Batum's value is just as a big expiring contract. His NBA career seems to be effectively done.

The value for the Bulls is getting #3 and clearing about $25mm in 2021-22 salary.

#3, IMO, will be a lesser player than Lavine and $25mm in cap space is of limited value to the Bulls, who should have enough already to land 2 max players, but I'm doubting that they can attract any top 10 talent in their prime anyway. My point is that proven talent has more value than potential and $ for next offseason.

[dpucane]

FWIW on his latest pod Zach Lowe said he's heard rumors of Zach to Denver for a bit.

Not sure what that would look like.

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[gobullschi]

Was going back and forth on the Charlotte board about this deal.

Chicago Receives:
Miles Bridges & #3 (LaMelo Ball or James Wiseman)

Charlotte Receives:
Wendell Carter Jr. & #4

I’ve always been a big fan of Miles Bridges, but curious what some other opinions are on this deal. Sign Nerlens Noel (who played with Billy Donovan).


LaMelo Ball / Coby White
Zach LaVine / Tomas Satoransky
Otto Porter Jr. / Miles Bridges / Chandler Hutchison
Lauri Markkanen / Thaddeus Young
Nerlens Noel / Daniel Gafford

[Rose2Boozer]

Was going back and forth on the Charlotte board about this deal.

Chicago Receives:
Miles Bridges & #3 (LaMelo Ball or James Wiseman)

Charlotte Receives:
Wendell Carter Jr. & #4

I’ve always been a big fan of Miles Bridges, but curious what some other opinions are on this deal.

If the Bulls are offering Carter Jr. and #4, the Wolves should try to grab that deal with both hands. Since their trading away the first pick, they should try to add Hutchinson, and send the Bulls Culver and Layman. The Wolves would still own the first pick from the Nets. Haliburton would be a safe pick, but I'd probably draft Toppin and hope Lewis Jr. is still there at #17.

Bulls: Wiseman, Culver, and Layman
Wolves: Carter Jr., Haliburton, and Hutchinson

[gobullschi]

Was going back and forth on the Charlotte board about this deal.

Chicago Receives:
Miles Bridges & #3 (LaMelo Ball or James Wiseman)

Charlotte Receives:
Wendell Carter Jr. & #4

I’ve always been a big fan of Miles Bridges, but curious what some other opinions are on this deal.

If the Bulls are offering Carter Jr. and #4, the Wolves should try to grab that deal with both hands. Since their trading away the first pick, they should try to add Hutchinson, and send the Bulls Culver and Layman. The Wolves would still own the first pick from the Nets. Haliburton would be a safe pick, but I'd probably draft Toppin and hope Lewis Jr. is still there at #17.

Bulls: Wiseman, Culver, and Layman
Wolves: Carter Jr., Haliburton, and Hutchinson

Jarret Culver is a good buy low target.

[sco]

https://sports.yahoo.com/nba-rumors-agents-see-sixers-152758522.html

I'm not buyin this, but for fun, is there any deal that Philly would consider that didn't include Zach? I imagine working Horford's contract into deal is a must to garner interest.

[gobullschi]

Chicago Receives:
Myles Turner
Miles Bridges
LaMelo Ball (#3)
Doug McDermott

Charlotte Receives:
Wendell Carter Jr.
(#4)
(#44)

Indiana Receives:
Otto Porter Jr.
Daniel Gafford
2021 1st Round Pick (Top 4 protected)
Rights to swap 1st Round Picks in 2022

LaMelo Ball / Coby White
Zach LaVine / Tomas Satoransky
Miles Bridges / Doug McDermott / Chandler Hutchison
Lauri Markkanen / Thaddeus Young
Myles Turner / Luke Kornet

[sco]

Chicago Receives:
Myles Turner
Miles Bridges
LaMelo Ball (#3)
Doug McDermott

Charlotte Receives:
Wendell Carter Jr.
(#4)
(#44)

Indiana Receives:
Otto Porter Jr.
Daniel Gafford
2021 1st Round Pick (Top 4 protected)
Rights to swap 1st Round Picks in 2022

LaMelo Ball / Coby White
Zach LaVine / Tomas Satoransky
Miles Bridges / Doug McDermott / Chandler Hutchison
Lauri Markkanen / Thaddeus Young
Myles Turner / Luke Kornet

Would prefer a deal that doesn't have us moving up for Ball.

[Butler4thewin]

when is giannis a free agent ?

[sco]

WT has 10 teams asking about Jrue Holiday. First, I'm skeptical that NO would have any interest in trading him as he is a vet leader for a young team. I thought there was some noise about a fit for Lauri - wonder if Lauri/Porter for Holiday/Melli would resonate?

[TheSuzerain]

Clippers making major roster changes?

Maybe we can snag Shamet.