OT: Kristaps Porzingis -- lateral meniscus tear of his right knee

[Fat Kat]

[SelbyCobra]

"HOPE CRUTCH"

How beautiful. That perfectly sums up the Porzingis experience so far.

[robillionaire]

where'd all that muscle go lmao

[K_ick_God]

"HOPE CRUTCH"

How beautiful. That perfectly sums up the Porzingis experience so far.

Don't worry he's about to put on 15 pounds of muscle.

[3toheadmelo]

KPs career may very well be derailed by injuries, but to deny his talent at this point is laughable. What he was doing a month before the lockdown and during the bubble was elite on both sides of the floor. A lot of you sound like broken hearted school girls at this point. Let it go.

What good is talent if your career is derailed by injuries, and should we max out such a player? We’ve been taunted relentlessly for this move. No we will not let it go

Don’t forget he tried to run away to Spain if we didn’t trade him. Cause he thinks he’s a superstar in the league

I’m still waiting for the “truth” to come out also.

**** KP. He’s a lil bitch.

[BKlutch]

KPs career may very well be derailed by injuries, but to deny his talent at this point is laughable. What he was doing a month before the lockdown and during the bubble was elite on both sides of the floor. A lot of you sound like broken hearted school girls at this point. Let it go.

What good is talent if your career is derailed by injuries, and should we max out such a player? We’ve been taunted relentlessly for this move. No we will not let it go

Don’t forget he tried to run away to Spain if we didn’t trade him. Cause he thinks he’s a superstar in the league

I’m still waiting for the “truth” to come out also.

**** KP. He’s a lil bitch.

This is all part of why, no matter how good a shooter he becomes, that he isn't worth a max salary. Especially not to the Knicks, who have so many needs.

When Phil hinted at trading him, I have to say I was really dismayed. Now, I believe he understood that KP was not what we needed, and he realized that before the rest of us. Not saying Phil was great, but he was right on this.

[Oscirus]

What good is talent if your career is derailed by injuries, and should we max out such a player? We’ve been taunted relentlessly for this move. No we will not let it go

Don’t forget he tried to run away to Spain if we didn’t trade him. Cause he thinks he’s a superstar in the league

I’m still waiting for the “truth” to come out also.

**** KP. He’s a lil bitch.

This is all part of why, no matter how good a shooter he becomes, that he isn't worth a max salary. Especially not to the Knicks, who have so many needs.

When Phil hinted at trading him, I have to say I was really dismayed. Now, I believe he understood that KP was not what we needed, and he realized that before the rest of us. Not saying Phil was great, but he was right on this.

Phil was trying to play mind games and it backfired on him cuz at that point KP already had a swelled head.
That being said, it wouldve helped to knicks to get tatum and another first instead of what they did get.

[FutureKnicksGM]

Don’t forget he tried to run away to Spain if we didn’t trade him. Cause he thinks he’s a superstar in the league

I’m still waiting for the “truth” to come out also.

**** KP. He’s a lil bitch.

This is all part of why, no matter how good a shooter he becomes, that he isn't worth a max salary. Especially not to the Knicks, who have so many needs.

When Phil hinted at trading him, I have to say I was really dismayed. Now, I believe he understood that KP was not what we needed, and he realized that before the rest of us. Not saying Phil was great, but he was right on this.

Phil was trying to play mind games and it backfired on him cuz at that point KP already had a swelled head.
That being said, it wouldve helped to knicks to get tatum and another first instead of what they did get.

But PHX weren’t throwing in another pick and Phil would have drafted Jackson to be the next Scottie in his beloved triangle.

[Oscirus]

This is all part of why, no matter how good a shooter he becomes, that he isn't worth a max salary. Especially not to the Knicks, who have so many needs.

When Phil hinted at trading him, I have to say I was really dismayed. Now, I believe he understood that KP was not what we needed, and he realized that before the rest of us. Not saying Phil was great, but he was right on this.

Phil was trying to play mind games and it backfired on him cuz at that point KP already had a swelled head.
That being said, it wouldve helped to knicks to get tatum and another first instead of what they did get.

But PHX weren’t throwing in another pick and Phil would have drafted Jackson to be the next Scottie in his beloved triangle.

Wasnt a phx offer, that was a boston offer, two picks bostons pick and another top ten pick that boston couldve gotten apparently. And we have no idea what he wouldve taken. Just speculation.

[NYKAL]

The Bridges KP Mitch front court would have been so much fun to watch grow together. Welp

Disagree about the Mitch-KP pairing.

What makes KP special is that you can play 5-out with him. That's what sets him apart.

Pair him with Mitch and you're adding a non-shooter to the frontcourt and KP just becomes another floor spacing 4.

I don't see anything enticing about that, not to mention one of two would have to defend on the perimeter 24/7.

Mikal would've been nice though.

Damn, its to the point where all 5 need to shoot 3s. TF am I watching anymore? I thought you were gonna complain that our backcourt can't shoot, never expected our 5 to need a 3 or bust. Have Much play the 4 on defense and 5 on offense solves the other problem. He can guard 4s better of the 2. And most teams need penetration to initiate the 3. This lineup, you ain't penetrating nothing. What's crazy is I just now almost forgot about Bridges. Between he and Frank and you're smothered, only to be met at the rim. I actually think it covers ground just fine.

Remember, Enes couldn't cover the paint so KP often was meeting penetration at the rim and then losing his own man in the perimeter. Technically that's bad defense and low iq so that's on KP. But there were just so many outside factors, one problem beggeting another problem. I can see the problem with my fantasy lineup but its not defense or offense from the way you saw it. It's our perimeter.

I like stretch Power Forwards but, I don't really want my center chucking 3's. Rather him play down low like a big. Run the floor, fill the lanes, contest shots, defend the paint and score. If he can pass well out of the post then even better.

[NoStatsGuy]

KPs career may very well be derailed by injuries, but to deny his talent at this point is laughable. What he was doing a month before the lockdown and during the bubble was elite on both sides of the floor. A lot of you sound like broken hearted school girls at this point. Let it go.

What good is talent if your career is derailed by injuries, and should we max out such a player? We’ve been taunted relentlessly for this move. No we will not let it go

Don’t forget he tried to run away to Spain if we didn’t trade him. Cause he thinks he’s a superstar in the league

I’m still waiting for the “truth” to come out also.

**** KP. He’s a lil bitch.

pretty much this.

talented af.. but people act like he didnt force his way out. Janis his genius brother/agent, forced us to trade him or lose out in FA with KP not even playing for us the last year.

cant lie i wish this story turned out differently. hes probably the most promising player we drafted since ewing. But as much talent as he has, his joints wont hold up for long successful career, im pretty sure about that.

we got a good amount of draftpicks and space, took a chance on DSJ and think we did okay in a trade we absoloutley had to make.

bashing the front office for that is kinda ridiculous, its one of the better trades our old FO made

[leolozon]

It's weird that people can't differentiate a good/bad trade from a good/bad signing.

If you get a guy worth about 10m for something worth about 5m, but then decide to sign the guy for 20m, the trade doesn't suddenly become bad. For the Mavs, this is a good trade, they gave up close to nothing to get a high upside guy when healthy. But yes, KP wasn't worth the max because of the risk of injuries. He's still a better player when he's on the floor than anything the Knicks will probably get from that trade.

In terms of winning games, the Mavs are still way ahead, as KP helped them make the playoffs. How many wins can we expect the average 20th pick to add?

[knicks94]

KP has always been a slightly more talented version of Shawn Bradley.

[omerome]

It's weird that people can't differentiate a good/bad trade from a good/bad signing.

If you get a guy worth about 10m for something worth about 5m, but then decide to sign the guy for 20m, the trade doesn't suddenly become bad. For the Mavs, this is a good trade, they gave up close to nothing to get a high upside guy when healthy. But yes, KP wasn't worth the max because of the risk of injuries. He's still a better player when he's on the floor than anything the Knicks will probably get from that trade.

In terms of winning games, the Mavs are still way ahead, as KP helped them make the playoffs. How many wins can we expect the average 20th pick to add?

The Mavs are way ahead because of a 21-year-old by the name of Luka Doncic. KP was not leading that team to wins.

[leolozon]

It's weird that people can't differentiate a good/bad trade from a good/bad signing.

If you get a guy worth about 10m for something worth about 5m, but then decide to sign the guy for 20m, the trade doesn't suddenly become bad. For the Mavs, this is a good trade, they gave up close to nothing to get a high upside guy when healthy. But yes, KP wasn't worth the max because of the risk of injuries. He's still a better player when he's on the floor than anything the Knicks will probably get from that trade.

In terms of winning games, the Mavs are still way ahead, as KP helped them make the playoffs. How many wins can we expect the average 20th pick to add?

The Mavs are way ahead because of a 21-year-old by the name of Luka Doncic. KP was not leading that team to wins.

Did I say "lead them"? I said "helped". KP and THJ being on the team certainly helped their playoffs push and added wins. How many wins did DSJ add so far?

The Knicks got 3 things in that trade, so far 2 of them have been busts (cap space and DSJ), and two "average" 20th picks don't add as much value as KP and THJ just added to the Mavs, and potentially can still add in the next 4 years.

Once again, I think that giving the max to KP was bad, even before the Mavs decided to give him that contract, but it doesn't mean the trade itself is good or bad.

[omerome]

It's weird that people can't differentiate a good/bad trade from a good/bad signing.

If you get a guy worth about 10m for something worth about 5m, but then decide to sign the guy for 20m, the trade doesn't suddenly become bad. For the Mavs, this is a good trade, they gave up close to nothing to get a high upside guy when healthy. But yes, KP wasn't worth the max because of the risk of injuries. He's still a better player when he's on the floor than anything the Knicks will probably get from that trade.

In terms of winning games, the Mavs are still way ahead, as KP helped them make the playoffs. How many wins can we expect the average 20th pick to add?

The Mavs are way ahead because of a 21-year-old by the name of Luka Doncic. KP was not leading that team to wins.

Did I say "lead them"? I said "helped". KP and THJ being on the team certainly helped their playoffs push and added wins. How many wins did DSJ add so far?

The Knicks got 3 things in that trade, so far 2 of them have been busts (cap space and DSJ), and two "average" 20th picks don't add as much value as KP and THJ just added to the Mavs, and potentially can still add in the next 4 years.

Once again, I think that giving the max to KP was bad, even before the Mavs decided to give him that contract, but it doesn't mean the trade itself is good or bad.

I said "lead them" because with his contract, he should not be a secondary type player on that team and he is. A max contract comes with max responsibility.

Dallas is extremely fortunate that Luka is that good because things would be looking very different if he wasn't. This is not to say that KP is a scrub, but I would be pissed off if we didn't pull the trigger and he was still here. It would be another situation where we paid top dollar for an injury-prone, yet talented player while still having that crappy THJr contract.

[Fat]

Why does his head look so small

[BugginOut]

The Mavs are way ahead because of a 21-year-old by the name of Luka Doncic. KP was not leading that team to wins.

Did I say "lead them"? I said "helped". KP and THJ being on the team certainly helped their playoffs push and added wins. How many wins did DSJ add so far?

The Knicks got 3 things in that trade, so far 2 of them have been busts (cap space and DSJ), and two "average" 20th picks don't add as much value as KP and THJ just added to the Mavs, and potentially can still add in the next 4 years.

Once again, I think that giving the max to KP was bad, even before the Mavs decided to give him that contract, but it doesn't mean the trade itself is good or bad.

I said "lead them" because with his contract, he should not be a secondary type player on that team and he is. A max contract comes with max responsibility.

Dallas is extremely fortunate that Luka is that good because things would be looking very different if he wasn't. This is not to say that KP is a scrub, but I would be pissed off if we didn't pull the trigger and he was still here. It would be another situation where we paid top dollar for an injury-prone, yet talented player while still having that crappy THJr contract.

Exactly! I don’t know if people are taking crazy pills, but trading Porzingis was the smartest move we could have made. Winning in today’s league requires getting the most value with your cap space. Having a dead weight max contract on your books GUARANTEES you will never win a chip.

It’s like people are forgetting what happened with STAT. If we don’t sign STAT to that max contract we most likely have a chip cause we could of signed a max player like CP3 to go with Melo.

The Mavs had a chance to build a great team around Luka while Luka is still on a rookie deal and they floundered that chance with that KP deal. Even if they gave up nothing in the deal, the Mavs now have one of the worst contracts in the league, AND the don’t even have the picks to get rid of him. Unless KP comes back and plays in some meaningful games (I.e. playoffs) the Mavs definitely lost that trade.

[Paija]

Guys, I understand it is off-season, but it is 15 pages already. Let it go!

[Fat Kat]

Guys, I understand it is off-season, but it is 15 pages already. Let it go!

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