The Lebron '20 Thread (Pt. 8)

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Re: The Lebron '20 Thread (Pt. 8) 

Post#1961 » by zimpy27 » Mon Oct 19, 2020 6:44 pm

Heej wrote:
zimpy27 wrote:This is close to ideal IMO

PG: Caruso | Rondo | Cook
SG: Oladipo | Bradley | THT
SF: LeBron | KCP | Jackson
PF: A Davis | Markieff | Dudley
C : Thompson | Cousins | McGee

Green, Kuzma, pick 28 for Oladipo
Sign Tristan Thompson and Josh Jackson

Why no Dwight brah?


Sure, Dwight could come back. I guess I'm operating under the assumption that he wants to get paid now that he resuscitated his career. If he wants money then I'd go for TT as he added a 3 shot, is younger, and works better with LeBron. I still don't trust an unmotivated Dwight.

However, if Dwight returns for cheap then it'd be great to keep him.
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Post#1962 » by Fadeaway_J » Mon Oct 19, 2020 6:49 pm

limbo wrote:Lol @ people negging about Paul's injury record while wanting to sign Oladipo... Paul has played 125% more games than Oladipo in the last two seasons...

Also Oladipo hasn't looked anything like All-NBA level in two years.
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Post#1963 » by Dupp » Mon Oct 19, 2020 7:06 pm

Dengs still on the books for two more years. What a disaster that contract is
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Re: The Lebron '20 Thread (Pt. 8) 

Post#1964 » by kayess » Mon Oct 19, 2020 7:17 pm

Why are people so keen to trade away Green and Kuzma lol. Even if we assume that Green regress to 90% of what he was this year, and Kuzma improves only slightly... Those are still solid rotation pieces that are extremely likely to be healthy and are playable against the Lakers' toughest competition.

Paul and Oladipo are just... not likely to be healthy, and availability's the best ability in this case.
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Re: The Lebron '20 Thread (Pt. 8) 

Post#1965 » by Pelly24 » Mon Oct 19, 2020 7:55 pm

zimpy27 wrote:
Heej wrote:
zimpy27 wrote:This is close to ideal IMO

PG: Caruso | Rondo | Cook
SG: Oladipo | Bradley | THT
SF: LeBron | KCP | Jackson
PF: A Davis | Markieff | Dudley
C : Thompson | Cousins | McGee

Green, Kuzma, pick 28 for Oladipo
Sign Tristan Thompson and Josh Jackson

Why no Dwight brah?


Sure, Dwight could come back. I guess I'm operating under the assumption that he wants to get paid now that he resuscitated his career. If he wants money then I'd go for TT as he added a 3 shot, is younger, and works better with LeBron. I still don't trust an unmotivated Dwight.

However, if Dwight returns for cheap then it'd be great to keep him.



TT is underrated. He was great on defense in 2015 and 2016 playoffs because he's fleet footed. He's a lob threat, can protect the rim and rebound the ball excellently. If he can hit 1.5 threes a game at 36% that's even better. I want to keep Dwight or get TT and get Gallo and/or a wing defender that is a solid shooter and I want to keep rondo.
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Re: The Lebron '20 Thread (Pt. 8) 

Post#1966 » by Pelly24 » Mon Oct 19, 2020 7:57 pm

Fadeaway_J wrote:
limbo wrote:Lol @ people negging about Paul's injury record while wanting to sign Oladipo... Paul has played 125% more games than Oladipo in the last two seasons...

Also Oladipo hasn't looked anything like All-NBA level in two years.


Yeah Dipo was like a top 15 player that one year but then after injuries he's just been a good starter, being kinda suspect for a lot of this year.
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Re: The Lebron '20 Thread (Pt. 8) 

Post#1967 » by Ainosterhaspie » Mon Oct 19, 2020 8:01 pm

TT seemed to really drop off after 2016. He makes me nervous. Maybe he's done enough losing now to have motivation back, but that's iffy. He won, got paid so why bother to put in the work anymore. He doesn't have raw tools to make up for lack of motivation.
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Re: The Lebron '20 Thread (Pt. 8) 

Post#1968 » by zimpy27 » Mon Oct 19, 2020 9:02 pm

Ainosterhaspie wrote:TT seemed to really drop off after 2016. He makes me nervous. Maybe he's done enough losing now to have motivation back, but that's iffy. He won, got paid so why bother to put in the work anymore. He doesn't have raw tools to make up for lack of motivation.


He was good in 16-17 but I recall off-court distractions were a big problem in 17-18.
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Re: The Lebron '20 Thread (Pt. 8) 

Post#1969 » by nzahir » Mon Oct 19, 2020 10:11 pm

TT is awful

Watched some clips of him on that Lebron 3 game stretch video made me forgot how he would just blow layups

Not super tall or athletic like McGee even where he can just dunk or finish lobs easier. Small, awful hands.
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Post#1970 » by Dupp » Mon Oct 19, 2020 10:31 pm

TT had an ok year but I’d rather not go for him.


Dipos gonna get a half decent offer. Lakers can’t afford him.
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Re: The Lebron '20 Thread (Pt. 8) 

Post#1971 » by limbo » Mon Oct 19, 2020 10:36 pm

What does TT bring to the table that Dwight doesn't already? If Dwight wasn't on the roster i could see an argument for TT because i think he's a more capable defender outside the paint than McGee, but i'm not sure he's better in that sense than Dwight... Also, my knowledge of Thompson's defense is based on like 2018... which is 3 years ago... He already looked noticeably worse in 2018 than he did in 2016 as a defender, so i dread to think how he looks now...

But since you can have Dwight, taking on Thompson makes 0% sense... Thompson is an all-around worse version of Dwight. Smaller, weaker, worse hands, worse finisher, worse passer, worse rim protector and worse all-around defender...

Also, Thompson has not added a shot.. Don't let his 3PT% deceive you. He only shot 23 times behind the line, and his mid-range percentage aren't good.

TT stinks.
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Post#1972 » by Greyhound » Mon Oct 19, 2020 11:05 pm

TT would be a great off the bench big option.

As a bench big playing 20 minutes a game he has value. He is not the interior defender or rim protector that Howard is, but he is a back breaking offensive rebounder who can defend pick and roll and cover the perimeter on switches.

He has a game that flourishes in the post season and I don’t see him being DNP-CD’d against any sort of opponent.

As a starting center I would not be interested, but as a bench big I see value. He can give you a dependable 20 minutes against any team.

With teams focused on LeBron and AD, Thompson would be a good switch of pace energy/ workhorse big. He can win you playoff games with his offensive rebounding alone.

Unlike any of the bigs currently on the Lakers, Thompson is a threat to grab 5-10 offensive rebounds in any given playoff game. He is so good at that aspect of the game that he has the ability to bust a teams head wide open with it.

Similar to Bradley’s supreme skill (on ball pressure defense), Thompson’s (offensive rebounding) is a good thing to have in a playoff series.

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In a perfect situation the Lakers would retain. Howard as their starting center and bring in Thompson to back him up. McGee can hit the bricks or be third string towel waver/ insurance.
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Re: The Lebron '20 Thread (Pt. 8) 

Post#1973 » by Lakers LeBron » Tue Oct 20, 2020 3:54 am

So I don't really care if athletes are on PEDs, but I've always been skeptical of the LeBron PED claims for a few reasons.

- LeBron has routinely passed Olympic and other international tests since 2004
- LeBron was one of the most athletic high schoolers ever and has taken meticulous care of his body ever since. Just based on that information it's not surprising that age 35 LeBron ended up as maybe the most athletic 35 year old ever
- Just looking at LeBron's body, even at his Miami weight peak, there's really no signs of steroid use. Just ideal genetics.
- LeBron is aware of the effect a positive test would have on his legacy

I don't think any of these alone are silver bullet arguments, but taken together you can see why it's reasonable for LeBron to be the athlete he is at his age without the help of banned substances and why he feels a positive test and this point would outweigh the benefits

But man, when I look into the details of LeBron's 1 month return from tearing his groin, it seems so much more insane than Ray Lewis coming back in 3 months from a torn triceps. Lewis was 37 at the time of the injury, but he was also a shell of himself when he returned and Lewis was proven to be using IGF-1 to aid his recovery

It really should have been a six month season ending injury for LeBron. And LeBron was actually good when he came back, he wasn't 100%, but the team was losing because of coaching, other injuries, and a general lack of talent.
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Re: The Lebron '20 Thread (Pt. 8) 

Post#1974 » by LeBird » Tue Oct 20, 2020 12:02 pm

Cavsfansince84 wrote:Something I've given a little more thought to as it relates to MJ/LeBron and LeBron's perceived coasting on defense from 2015-2019 is that no player since the Celtics's teams of the 60's played as many games in consecutive years as LeBron did from 2011-2018. Most people agree MJ coasted a bit in 93 and that was coming off of only 2 straight finals runs. LeBron by 2015 was coming off of 4 straight and then also had been playing a full nba schedule since he was 19. I think it's something that probably should be brought up a little more. MJ after 3 straight was ready to retire for a while. LeBron doing 8 straight while being a dpoy candidate for the first 4 is pretty damn amazing.


In general, people severely overrate Jordan on defense. He was a great wing defender but few in his era that were his positional opposite could give him fits like the wings do today. And what more, his wing defense was not transformational the way Pippen’s was. He was great 1v1 but he also gambled for steals.

What more, the primary scorers in his era were bigs, he rarely had to defend the opposition’s best player. He should never have won DPOY, he simply was never as valuable defensively as the best defending bigs of his era. Kobe similarly got a lot of accolades in defense long past he was truly transformational.

Never mind the exhaustion argument you bring which is also true. I’d take a locked in LeBron even in year 17 over Jordan’s peak years as a defender as LeBron is just that much more valuable, particularly in a positionless basketball era which requires big players to switch on smaller faster players more often.
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Post#1975 » by Freighttrain » Tue Oct 20, 2020 4:41 pm

I hope they can get this. It would give us another 5 million per year.
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Post#1976 » by MisterHibachi » Tue Oct 20, 2020 6:15 pm

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Post#1977 » by MisterHibachi » Tue Oct 20, 2020 6:25 pm

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Post#1978 » by limbo » Tue Oct 20, 2020 6:55 pm

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Eh.. What do you think of Gallo's defense? Personally, i'm not that big of a fan of it...

I'm kind of worried that Gallo becomes a glorified spot-up shooter if the Lakers get him, because i'm not a big fan of his game outside of that aspect.

Houston threw the smallball at him and he looked fairly pedestrian out there because he's slow and not a good passer. Though playing with Steven Adams and Dort will also do that for you... With AD and LeBron he has much more space to find his spots.

When you consider all of this you ask yourself why not just roll with Kuzma... Similar type of player, but probably better defensively already. You just gamble that he's able to make a step forward offensively as well.
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Post#1979 » by SideshowBob » Tue Oct 20, 2020 7:08 pm

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Post#1980 » by JulesWinnfield » Tue Oct 20, 2020 8:48 pm

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Eh.. What do you think of Gallo's defense? Personally, i'm not that big of a fan of it...

I'm kind of worried that Gallo becomes a glorified spot-up shooter if the Lakers get him, because i'm not a big fan of his game outside of that aspect.

Houston threw the smallball at him and he looked fairly pedestrian out there because he's slow and not a good passer. Though playing with Steven Adams and Dort will also do that for you... With AD and LeBron he has much more space to find his spots.

When you consider all of this you ask yourself why not just roll with Kuzma... Similar type of player, but probably better defensively already. You just gamble that he's able to make a step forward offensively as well.


I don’t see Kuzma as similar at all. There’s a massive gulf between them as pure shooters. Kuzma has never shot the 3 ball well at all at any level other than his rookie year, which now looks like an aberration given his college career and the last two seasons in the NBA. He’s also a below league average FT shooter (not that it matters much beyond just being indicative of his shooting touch). With Gallo you got a guy who’s gonna shoot 40+% from three and 90% at the line, he’s a legit marksman. Kuzma is not that, to put it lightly. He can score, but his path to doing that comes largely from just going 1 on 1 and hoping he’s hot on a given night

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