2020 Presidential Election Thread: The Homestretch

[Clyde_Style]

Oh joy. It looks like Trump is so desperate he is now groveling to get another debate with Biden. Once was enough TBH

[Pointgod]

Can you quote the instances of someone saying this because I haven't seen anyone say that. Otherwise it's you saying it and I agree with you, it's dumb and it should be dropped.

I think we’d all like to believe - or even know - that Biden will do what needs to be done for American workers and middle class families and if Republicans want to join the us, then welcome. If not, then GTFO of the way or get bulldozed. But Joe won’t come even close to saying what Sheldon Whitehouse said. In fact, his message has been consistently in the other direction thus inviting this type of criticism.

At the end of the day, I expect that Joe will listen to the American people and respond boldly to the conditions on the ground while negotiating from strength.

Unfortunately I don't know that and though I'd like to believe it I have very little faith in that based on everything I have seen from establishment centrist dems. I do take note of the things in his campaign policy statements and will be watching closely to see if he tries to get them done.

If he does get elected along with the senate also flipping he better learn from history and do something about it in the first two years or the backlash can be quick. With the current events and the likelihood that the effects of the pandemic may stretch into 2021-22 there won't be much forgiveness for a lethargic administration/congress.

Get the stimulus to the people and the states not just corporations and the wealthy. Get a public option in the ACA with safeguards against InsCo shedding of sick clients onto the public option they don't want to pay for anymore after collecting premiums for years. Get the education bill through, get the minimum wage increase through.

If they have both houses then there is no reason those bills should not wind up on his desk to sign with favorable terms and little to no rider bloat. Don't expect any help from the Reps at all, they will do everything on their power to stop anything the Dems will try to do.

I can understand if Biden makes friendly noises about bipartisan cooperation before the election because he is courting on the fence independents and disgruntled republicans. Although, if he really believes the Reps will do anything but obstruct like they always do then he is deluding himself. This isn't 20 years ago when he was negotiating bills they wanted anyway.

Dems need to negotiate hard and call out Reps in public loudly claiming they are obstructing the people's will through the mandate of the election. Make them look bad so 2022 becomes a referendum on the Reps failure of their constituents not a Dems failure like it was in 2010. Otherwise they lose the congress again and get completely blocked again until 2024.

The Dems have to become killers....civil killers, polite compared to the incivility that will undoubtedly be the tone coming from every part of the Republican party but they cannot allow themselves to be bullied on the floors of congress or in the White House.... like last time! They often are too quick to capitulate instead of fight.

The good thing is that all that you’ve mentioned is either in Biden’s plan or has already passed through the House. The Senate and Mitch McConnell will and has always been the problem.

[BKlutch]

before the OP actually posted did you check the account? It looks suspiciously like a fake account joining last month. having family in PPR I called the picture of traffic just that a picture for trump. That was not Miami either that was San Juan.
In Miami he has the cuban vote because they hate the dems. A vast Majority of PRs are dems. And the PRs in Puerto Rico cant vote so there is that too. I call this BS. Everyone down there heard him and saw his actions afte teh storm.

Want to know why Florida is voting blue look no further then the PRs that were uprooted and moved to Florida, to escape the mess
the bot checkers call it 75% chance of it fake so it has been reported.
Also the lady speaking was a republican senator from the Island and lives there....So how exactly is she going to cast a vote for trump? To me she is the classic PR republican ok with being a second class citizen and serving and dying for this country but they can't cast a vote

I agree the new accout with almost no followers seems like fake. And the woman is not a voter in this election.

Could you tell me what are the bot checkers that told you it is likely fake? I would love to check other posts I come across... I'm so tired of seeing fake stuff that if some claim seems extraordinary, I just don't even begin to believe it without a ton of proof.

there is a new one google pulled up it seems pretty good so far
https://botsentinel.com/
also
https://botometer.osome.iu.edu/

Thanks!

[Pointgod]

In less than a week the whole NY Post story has lost credibility and the Post truly looking like an illegitimate rag and mouth piece for Murdoch.

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And Im just randomly throwing this in for kicks. Love a good Fox News roasting.

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[BallSacBounce]

Senator Tom Cotton on Big Tech Censorship: “Winter is Coming”…

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2020/10/15/senator-tom-cotton-on-big-tech-censorship-winter-is-coming/#more-201792

As we shared yesterday, the examples of Google, Facebook, Twitter and YouTube blocking factual information about Joe Biden’s corrupt financial engagements with foreign entities is an “all-in” election interference effort. In many ways this is an extinction level event for their business model if Joe Biden does not win the election.

These tech and social media companies are worth hundreds of billions and their future financial viability is now directly connected to the 2020 election. Shareholders and stakeholders will begin filing lawsuits as soon as the hammer of FCC, DOJ or legislative regulation drops to break up their previously permitted monopolies.

A Trump victory will destroy these entities; and the likelihood of a Trump victory increases in direct proportion to their efforts to advance censorship…. it is a very unique situation.

It’s important to remember… there is a pre-existing DOJ antitrust lawsuit looming that underpins the current position of “Big Tech”; and factually in June of this year we previously shared: “As soon as the DOJ takes action Silicon Valley will hold an even larger self-interest in the 2020 election outcome; and they will respond accordingly.”

FCC Commissioner Ajit Pai Releases a Statement Following Facebook and Twitter Censorship…


https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2020/10/15/fcc-commissioner-ajit-pai-releases-a-statement-following-facebook-and-twitter-censorship/#comments

Following tremendous backlash against Facebook and Twitter for blatant election interference, FCC Commissioner Ajit Pai releases the following statement:

Several U.S. Senators have requested that Facebook and Twitter executives appear for emergency hearings to discuss their recent decisions to block information adverse to candidate Joe Biden. Big Tech is “all-in” to interfere in the 2020 election.

The Rubicon has been crossed, where this ends is not quite known.

Meanwhile...ironically enough at a free speech rally, you'll see why in a second...

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Which resulted in Phillip the young man who was sucker punched from behind by Antifa and then punched again resulting in his two front teeth getting knocked out.

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Excuse me but WTF is going on in this country and how the **** are we becoming Nazi Germany/Communist Russia with all the **** censorship, street violence and State Media?

Exit Question: Are you sure on the left you're not the bad guys? Because it is sure looking bad.

[BKlutch]

Sometimes people put in so much effort trolling that it's not even worth acknowledging or putting in the time to show how many ways the material has been debunked. I think that I'll get much more out of this site if I don't waste my time on them; in addition, I don't believe I'll engage with them over the Knicks, either, now that I know about what they are like.

[robillionaire]

Sometimes people put in so much effort trolling that it's not even worth acknowledging or putting in the time to show how many ways the material has been debunked. I think that I'll get much more out of this site if I don't waste my time on them; in addition, I don't believe I'll engage with them over the Knicks, either, now that I know about what they are like.

Indeed

[Clyde_Style]

Sometimes people put in so much effort trolling that it's not even worth acknowledging or putting in the time to show how many ways the material has been debunked. I think that I'll get much more out of this site if I don't waste my time on them; in addition, I don't believe I'll engage with them over the Knicks, either, now that I know about what they are like.

It also feels like one gets dumber when you engage with them.

I'm going to focus on my margarita ingredient supply chain logistics in advance of election night instead

[Clyde_Style]

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He might as well yell "Imprison Me!"

[Clyde_Style]

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DoJ handed down fresh indictments TODAY

Russia is actively engaged in hacking our democracy and there are people in the DoJ who are proceeding without Trump's blessing.

Make no mistake about it, these actions by the DoJ are the groundwork for future prosecutions of American collaborators. They won't be able to directly prosecute the hackers, but they are definitely establishing the legal context for additional indictments that lie ahead.

Suck It Trolls

from WaPo:

The United States on Monday unsealed criminal charges against six Russian government hackers in connection with some of the world’s most damaging cyber attacks, including disruption of Ukraine’s power grid and releasing a mock ransomware virus — NotPetya — that infected computers globally causing billions of dollars in damage.

The hackers are all members of the same military intelligence agency — the GRU — which was involved in efforts to interfere in the 2016 presidential campaign. But the indictment does not charge these members with interference in any U.S. election.

Rather, they stand accused of what Justice Department officials say is the single most disruptive and destructive series of cyber attacks ever attributed to one group.

“No country has weaponized its cyber capabilities as maliciously and irresponsibly as Russia, wantonly causing unprecedented collateral damage to pursue small tactical advantages and to satisfy fits of spite,” Assistant Attorney General John Demers said in announcing the indictment.

This is a developing story and will be updated.

[Phish Tank]

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DoJ handed down fresh indictments TODAY

Russia is actively engaged in hacking our democracy and there are people in the DoJ who are proceeding without Trump's blessing.

Make no mistake about it, these actions by the DoJ are the groundwork for future prosecutions of American collaborators. They won't be able to directly prosecute the hackers, but they are establishing legal context.

Suck It Trolls

from WaPo:

The United States on Monday unsealed criminal charges against six Russian government hackers in connection with some of the world’s most damaging cyber attacks, including disruption of Ukraine’s power grid and releasing a mock ransomware virus — NotPetya — that infected computers globally causing billions of dollars in damage.

The hackers are all members of the same military intelligence agency — the GRU — which was involved in efforts to interfere in the 2016 presidential campaign. But the indictment does not charge these members with interference in any U.S. election.

Rather, they stand accused of what Justice Department officials say is the single most disruptive and destructive series of cyber attacks ever attributed to one group.

“No country has weaponized its cyber capabilities as maliciously and irresponsibly as Russia, wantonly causing unprecedented collateral damage to pursue small tactical advantages and to satisfy fits of spite,” Assistant Attorney General John Demers said in announcing the indictment.

This is a developing story and will be updated.

shhh don't show this to Glenn Greenwald or Michael Tracey

[BKlutch]

Sometimes people put in so much effort trolling that it's not even worth acknowledging or putting in the time to show how many ways the material has been debunked. I think that I'll get much more out of this site if I don't waste my time on them; in addition, I don't believe I'll engage with them over the Knicks, either, now that I know about what they are like.

It also feels like one gets dumber when you engage with them.

I'm going to focus on my margarita ingredient supply chain logistics in advance of election night instead

Yes, there are good things you can do with your time

[BKlutch]

The debate commission has said it will mute each speaker's mike during his opponent's initial 2 minute response to questions.

Trump has already asked that the pandemic be taken off the table for this debate in favor of discussing only foreign policy.

What are the odds that there won't be a debate?

[rammagen]

I agree the new accout with almost no followers seems like fake. And the woman is not a voter in this election.

Could you tell me what are the bot checkers that told you it is likely fake? I would love to check other posts I come across... I'm so tired of seeing fake stuff that if some claim seems extraordinary, I just don't even begin to believe it without a ton of proof.

there is a new one google pulled up it seems pretty good so far
https://botsentinel.com/
also
https://botometer.osome.iu.edu/

Thanks!

np I am in IT and ry to stay up to date on a few things

[BKlutch]

there is a new one google pulled up it seems pretty good so far
https://botsentinel.com/
also
https://botometer.osome.iu.edu/

Thanks!

np I am in IT and ry to stay up to date on a few things

I'm in NYC and try to stay up on things, but there seems to be a lot of things to keep up on lately!

[Clyde_Style]

The debate commission has said it will mute each speaker's mike during his opponent's initial 2 minute response to questions.

Trump has already asked that the pandemic be taken off the table for this debate in favor of discussing only foreign policy.

What are the odds that there won't be a debate?

No way the commission agrees to something that ludicrous. Trump will do as he's told or there won't be a debate is where things seem to be at

[BKlutch]

Trump cannot afford to give Biden an uninterrupted 2 minutes to discuss his policies and ideas - the only tactic he values is trying to intimidate, disrupt, or shout over the other candidate. Remember how he stalked behind Hillary in 2016?

I'm not sure he will agree to this - he had already said he didn't want to do the virtual 2nd debate, in part because the moderator could close his microphone. So there's a posibility that when the commission tells him they both agreed to the rules and he must abide by them, there's a good chance he will say he's not going to put up with this and he'll ask Fox or one of those other far right wing cable operations to host a town hall again.

If he does agree to the debate, I believe there is a chance he will leave his podium and approach Biden to try to shout over Biden's mike. I'm not worried about Biden's ability to handle Trump's comments, but I worry there will be a physical confrontation.

BTW, they made this an "automatic mute" that is not at the discretion of the moderator - to protect the moderator, no doubt.

[Clyde_Style]

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So the debate is going to be WTF the questioners want it to be about even if Trump's idiot campaign manager Bill Stepien fires off brain dead memos like this nonsense.

It would have been so much more concise to write:

"Wahhhhh!!!! OK, we'll be there, but Wahhhhhh!"

[Clyde_Style]

Trump cannot afford to give Biden an uninterrupted 2 minutes to discuss his policies and ideas - the only tactic he values is trying to intimidate, disrupt, or shout over the other candidate. Remember how he stalked behind Hillary in 2016?

I'm not sure he will agree to this - he had already said he didn't want to do the virtual 2nd debate, in part because the moderator could close his microphone. So there's a posibility that when the commission tells him they both agreed to the rules and he must abide by them, there's a good chance he will say he's not going to put up with this and he'll ask Fox or one of those other far right wing cable operations to host a town hall again.

If he does agree to the debate, I believe there is a chance he will leave his podium and approach Biden to try to shout over Biden's mike. I'm not worried about Biden's ability to handle Trump's comments, but I worry there will be a physical confrontation.

BTW, they made this an "automatic mute" that is not at the discretion of the moderator - to protect the moderator, no doubt.

I think it is happening

The mute will make Trump look terrible. He's uniquely qualified to look terrible with or without mute, so America gets to see the muted version this time for chits and grin's sake.

I hope they also use the mute button if Trump runs over two minutes and just cut him off in mid-ramble, because you know he's going to abuse his time limits anyway.

As far as Trump getting physical, he's a fat slob so if he did lay hands on Biden it wouldn't end well for him anyway. Biden can literally run circles around him while Trump can only totter around on his high heels.

[robillionaire]

The debate commission has said it will mute each speaker's mike during his opponent's initial 2 minute response to questions.

Trump has already asked that the pandemic be taken off the table for this debate in favor of discussing only foreign policy.

What are the odds that there won't be a debate?

trump can't afford to not do the debate, he's losing and therefore has nothing to lose at this point even with the stipulations he doesn't like he will have to accept it. I think the new rule actually helps him out although he's too stupid to realize it.