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Re: OT Bears 2019/20 season 

Post#1061 » by Dresden » Tue Oct 20, 2020 2:52 pm

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Dresden wrote:The Rams are going to be tough to beat. The Niners made them look bad, but I expect us to have trouble stopping their offense. Although we did a good job agains CAR and TB, and they both have excellent offenses. Maybe I'm just being pessimistic, but I think this game is going to be a hard one to win.


The Rams will be no tougher to beat than any other team. Rams have not beaten any team outside of the NFC East this year, so how tough are they? Not sure. I'd say Bears/Rams are a 50/50 match up.


Rams are favored by a touchdown- a pretty big number considering the Bears' record.
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Re: OT Bears 2019/20 season 

Post#1062 » by Chicago-Bull-E » Tue Oct 20, 2020 2:55 pm

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Chicago-Bull-E wrote:Unique thing to note about this season is that there is only 1 bye given in the playoffs, to the 1 seed.

Since we are talking about worst case scenarios, let's talk about best. The Bears right now have the 2nd best record in the conference behind Seattle. Now Seattle undoubtedly plays in the toughest division in football, and I think you'll see them pick up some losses down the line. They do still play cakewalk teams like the two New York teams, but I think they'll end around 13-3, 12-4.

Not likely for the Bears to match that, but if they win next week against the Rams, you have to start thinking about them being one of the top seeds in the conference at some point, right? They'll be 6-1 and have these remaining teams on the schedule: Minnesota (2x), Detroit, Jacksonville, Houston. That's 5 games against some bad teams, so take care of business and you're at 11 wins.


I think it will be tougher than expected to "take care of business". You typically can't beat every team you should beat along the way. You win a couple games you shouldn't win and lose a couple you should. If I had to guess, I'd put the Bears at somewhere between 4-6 and 7-3 the rest of the season depending on injuries. 10-11 wins seems most likely to me, and even 9 wins probably gets you into the playoffs.


Agreed, but maybe they also win one of those games they shouldn't win (Green Bay game, Tennessee) and it evens out a bit. I'd agree though, 4-6 wins overall seems likely if they remain healthy. If I had to pick a number right now it'd be 10 wins.

But it's nice to think about best case scenario on occasion. :wink:
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Re: OT Bears 2019/20 season 

Post#1063 » by dougthonus » Tue Oct 20, 2020 3:05 pm

Chicago-Bull-E wrote:Agreed, but maybe they also win one of those games they shouldn't win (Green Bay game, Tennessee) and it evens out a bit. I'd agree though, 4-6 wins overall seems likely if they remain healthy. If I had to pick a number right now it'd be 10 wins.

But it's nice to think about best case scenario on occasion. :wink:


Anything between 9-12 seems reasonable to me at this point. All of those totals should get you in the playoffs, so I think that's a great scenario overall.
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Re: OT Bears 2019/20 season 

Post#1064 » by CBS7 » Tue Oct 20, 2020 3:22 pm

As bad as our run game has been, Monty has been a decent surprise in the passing game. He's got 20 catches for 163 yards and a TD through 6 games, he was 25/185/1 last year in 16 games.
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Re: OT Bears 2019/20 season 

Post#1065 » by dougthonus » Tue Oct 20, 2020 3:34 pm

CBS7 wrote:As bad as our run game has been, Monty has been a decent surprise in the passing game. He's got 20 catches for 163 yards and a TD through 6 games, he was 25/185/1 last year in 16 games.


I think a lot of it is just the way we run the offense. We're using short passing game and RB passes as a replacement for running touches.
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Re: OT Bears 2019/20 season 

Post#1066 » by Susan » Tue Oct 20, 2020 8:48 pm

https://youtu.be/GDNiWbUm0Vk?t=999

Play it back at 16:39 at 25% speed, it REALLY looks like that ball was tipped.
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Re: OT Bears 2019/20 season 

Post#1067 » by transplant » Tue Oct 20, 2020 10:51 pm

The Rams don't scare me much. The Bears could certainly lose, but this has been true every week.

The Bears defense will be a serious problem for LA. They'll keep the Bears in the game.

The Bears offense sucks largely because their O-line sucks, particularly as it relates to the run game. That's not going to change. I've lost confidence in Nagy as a playcaller. He seems to call each play in a vacuum...this is a really cool play, let's try it. OK, that didn't work, I've got another cool play, let's try this. He's playing checkers, not chess. I'm hoping that the team can overcome this.
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Re: OT Bears 2019/20 season 

Post#1068 » by Dresden » Wed Oct 21, 2020 1:07 am

transplant wrote:The Rams don't scare me much. The Bears could certainly lose, but this has been true every week.

The Bears defense will be a serious problem for LA. They'll keep the Bears in the game.

The Bears offense sucks largely because their O-line sucks, particularly as it relates to the run game. That's not going to change. I've lost confidence in Nagy as a playcaller. He seems to call each play in a vacuum...this is a really cool play, let's try it. OK, that didn't work, I've got another cool play, let's try this. He's playing checkers, not chess. I'm hoping that the team can overcome this.


I would love to know what the coaching staff thinks is the problem. They watch hours of film- they know if it's the line not opening holes, or the backs not making the most out of the holes the line is creating. Maybe it's some of both, but I'd love to know how they see it.
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Re: OT Bears 2019/20 season 

Post#1069 » by CBS7 » Wed Oct 21, 2020 4:17 am

All 4 Rams wins have been vs the NFC east. They haven't beaten a non-terrible team.
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Re: OT Bears 2019/20 season 

Post#1070 » by The Explorer » Wed Oct 21, 2020 2:56 pm

Many pundits and sites have the bears 11th in power rankings, behind Tampa and Green Bay. Htf does that even makes sense when Bears just beat Tampa, the team that blew out the Packers? The Packers have had pretty much have faced the same teams as the bears thus far, and everyone's touting them. The national media is disgusting.

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Re: OT Bears 2019/20 season 

Post#1071 » by dougthonus » Wed Oct 21, 2020 3:19 pm

The Explorer wrote:Many pundits and sites have the bears 11th in power rankings, behind Tampa and Green Bay. Htf does that even makes sense when Bears just beat Tampa, the team that blew out the Packers? The Packers have had pretty much have faced the same teams as the bears thus far, and everyone's touting them. The national media is disgusting.

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Your record is what your record is in terms of looking backwards and the past. In terms of predicting future results, schedule regressed point differential is dramatically more accurate than record.

The Bears are 13th in point differential and have played a weak schedule. Those are generally signs they aren't as good as their record.
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Re: OT Bears 2019/20 season 

Post#1072 » by CBS7 » Wed Oct 21, 2020 3:19 pm

The Explorer wrote:Many pundits and sites have the bears 11th in power rankings, behind Tampa and Green Bay. Htf does that even makes sense when Bears just beat Tampa, the team that blew out the Packers? The Packers have had pretty much have faced the same teams as the bears thus far, and everyone's touting them. The national media is disgusting.

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Moreso the style of victories. I disagree with them but don't blame them. If the Bears had a blowout win or two they'd probably be more highly touted.
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Re: OT Bears 2019/20 season 

Post#1073 » by IliketheBullsNBearstoo » Wed Oct 21, 2020 3:19 pm

The Explorer wrote:Many pundits and sites have the bears 11th in power rankings, behind Tampa and Green Bay. Htf does that even makes sense when Bears just beat Tampa, the team that blew out the Packers? The Packers have had pretty much have faced the same teams as the bears thus far, and everyone's touting them. The national media is disgusting.

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Its ok. This team needs to know they still have work to do to convince people. Oh and they do.

And I love being the underdog :D

A few convincing wins will change that.
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Re: OT Bears 2019/20 season 

Post#1074 » by dougthonus » Wed Oct 21, 2020 3:23 pm

IliketheBullsNBearstoo wrote:
The Explorer wrote:Many pundits and sites have the bears 11th in power rankings, behind Tampa and Green Bay. Htf does that even makes sense when Bears just beat Tampa, the team that blew out the Packers? The Packers have had pretty much have faced the same teams as the bears thus far, and everyone's touting them. The national media is disgusting.

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Its ok. This team needs to know they still have work to do to convince people. Oh and they do.

And I love being the underdog :D

A few convincing wins will change that.


A few convincing wins will do that. The TB win and the Carolina win both helped convince people that the Bears are better than a lucky fluke team. People now at least think they're legit. Just not 5-1 legit. If the Bears go 3-0 or 2-1 over the next 3 games, I think people will feel much stronger about the Bears.

If they got 1-2, then this 9-12ish type ranking will probably be pretty reasonable. If they go 0-3, then people will probably start looking at them more like a middle of the pack team.
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Re: OT Bears 2019/20 season 

Post#1075 » by Dresden » Wed Oct 21, 2020 4:34 pm

The Bears needed 4th quarter miracles to beat DET and ATL, two terrible teams. Wins against Tampa and CAR were more convincing.
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Re: OT Bears 2019/20 season 

Post#1076 » by CBS7 » Wed Oct 21, 2020 5:40 pm

Dresden wrote:The Bears needed 4th quarter miracles to beat DET and ATL, two terrible teams. Wins against Tampa and CAR were more convincing.

DET and ATL are both better than their record. Detroit beat the Saints and ATL blew out the Vikings. They aren't good but they aren't bottom feeders. Entire NFC east might be worse than both.
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Re: OT Bears 2019/20 season 

Post#1077 » by patryk7754 » Wed Oct 21, 2020 9:00 pm

so trade for fitzpatrick?
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Re: OT Bears 2019/20 season 

Post#1078 » by Jeffster81 » Wed Oct 21, 2020 9:21 pm

patryk7754 wrote:so trade for fitzpatrick?


Why? The Bears already have a "fitzpatrick" starting for them, name Foles. Fitzpatrick would be redundant.
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Re: OT Bears 2019/20 season 

Post#1079 » by patryk7754 » Wed Oct 21, 2020 11:15 pm

Jeffster81 wrote:
patryk7754 wrote:so trade for fitzpatrick?


Why? The Bears already have a "fitzpatrick" starting for them, name Foles. Fitzpatrick would be redundant.

It was mostly a joke but Fitzpatrick is definitely an upgrade
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Re: OT Bears 2019/20 season 

Post#1080 » by dougthonus » Wed Oct 21, 2020 11:29 pm

patryk7754 wrote:It was mostly a joke but Fitzpatrick is definitely an upgrade


Go look up their career numbers, hard to argue Fitzpatrick is definitely an upgrade. They're pretty similar QBs, but at least Foles knows the system already. Pretty unlikely Fitzpatrick would come in here and play better IMO.

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