Official 2020 Nba Draft Thread

[chrbal]

Now if the Pistons can just manage to do it right. Not that every single move has to work out since that's highly unlikely, but to at least put the effort into a properly thought out rebuild and as I've mentioned previously, not jump the gun and run for the "win now" move again the second the team starts flirting with a #8 playoff spot again.

Here’s to hoping we don’t add gallinari and trade for westbrook just because we can.

[Invictus88]

I also think that there's a possibility that Brown gets dealt if he doesn't develop more offensively this season. This season is really important for him. It might be hard for a rebuilding team to justify resigning a guy who is just a defensive specialist versus opening up minutes for people with higher ceilings. If he gets dealt I could see something like a 2nd rounder coming back.

I doubt it. Brown is the perfect player to have around through a rebuild: a hardworking character guy and leader who can be retained on a modest, multi-year contract. He's more valuable to the Pistons than he'd be to anyone else. Should he not improve, he'd have minimal trade value in the first place.

I disagree on the value to the Pistons versus other teams. The needs of a team closer to contention tend to be more defined than a team in a full rebuild. I can totally see one of them specifically targeting the ability to shadow or guard a specific player or just shore up a position defensively.

If the Pistons aren't doing anything from a competitive standpoint and we deem him to have hit his ceiling then his impact on the court is minimized. I do agree on the character-side of things though.

It depends how much he'll cost.

Don't get me wrong. I like Bruce Brown. But there's a market there for his skills if he plateaus; even if the return might be a late second-round pick.

[Crymson]

Brown fits in the mold of players that Weaver has historically liked, so I’d imagine they’ll try to hold onto him as well.

I think that this narrative about Weaver has become overblown. Weaver has thus far made exactly zero personnel decisions in his NBA career. He was assistant GM to Sam Presti, who made the actual calls. We have no idea of what Weaver's preferences will be.

We also have no idea what role Stefanski will continue to play, as he will by all accounts still be participating in personnel decisions.

[Crymson]

I disagree on the value to the Pistons versus other teams. The needs of a team closer to contention tend to be more defined than a team in a full rebuild. I can totally see one of them specifically targeting the ability to shadow or guard a specific player or just shore up a position defensively.

Guards who cannot shoot are of minimal value in today's NBA. Even if they're on the floor with four shooters (e.g. PJ Dozier with the Nuggets), they're still liabilities on the more important half of the floor. If Brown doesn't improve, he'll remain a guard who can't shoot from above the break and can't score at the rim. Maybe he'd garner a second-round pick. Maybe. And I'd rather have him than a second-round pick.

The era of the defensive specialist is dead, and has been dead for years now.

If the Pistons aren't doing anything from a competitive standpoint and we deem him to have hit his ceiling then his impact on the court is minimized. I do agree on the character-side of things though.

Players like him have value through a rebuild.

It depends how much he'll cost.

True, and I doubt he'll cost much if he doesn't substantively improve.

Don't get me wrong. I like Bruce Brown. But there's a market there for his skills if he plateaus; even if the return might be a late second-round pick.

There is little or no market for his skills if they do not come along with a passable degree of effectiveness on offense, particularly as Bruce is not an elite defender.

[mattao313]

Bruce Brown is a scrub with zero offense. You can find guys like him easy.

[BJK1]

Brown fits in the mold of players that Weaver has historically liked, so I’d imagine they’ll try to hold onto him as well.

I think that this narrative about Weaver has become overblown. Weaver has thus far made exactly zero personnel decisions in his NBA career. He was assistant GM to Sam Presti, who made the actual calls. We have no idea of what Weaver's preferences will be.

We also have no idea what role Stefanski will continue to play, as he will by all accounts still be participating in personnel decisions.

Perhaps. But when guys like Sam Vecenie at the Athletic, who is more informed than any fan on any fan forum, projects Isaac Okoro or possibly even Patrick Williams to Detroit in his latest mock based on his knowledge of the player type of wing players that Weaver favors, I don’t think I’m out of line stating that I believe that Brown fits the mold of what he’s looking for.

Based on what I’ve read from you, you’re obviously a very knowledgeable fan. But by and large, your posts seem to be you directly responding to other people’s posts just to tell that why you think they’re wrong. I actually posted something about Bruce Brown that was meant to be in support of your thoughts on him, but yet you chose to respond to me to contradict that?

[DetroitSho]

Read your first 2 words, didn't bother risking losing brain cells reading the rest. You quoted my post to explain yourself to me, but I'm trolling when I respond. You can have it big dog.

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Sorry you got dragged into this completely meaningless conversation. I am only making this post because he called out 2 other posters for no reason.

1) The dude started off with a trollish response to my original post.
It had 2 questions and was laid out in such a way that the response to the first question should lead to an answer to a completely irrelevant second question.
If you don't understand the context, you just ask and stop and wait for a response. That's what any normal poster would do.
Regardless, not understanding the context itself is either because he has not followed the draft class and the Pistons OR he is just being a troll. With what I have seen so far, I am going with the latter.

2) The dude flat out lied and created an alternate reality. His whole counter argument(s) was based on a false premise and a completely made up quote. I mean, it's just all there to see. The whole back and forth is just 1-2 pages long.

3) Then the talk about Why? When I listed the players attributes (which happen to be the most important skills the modern NBA needs and something the Pistons have lacked since forever) and how he's considered a player with very high potential but with some question marks, all his responses could be condensed to .. AND??

This sort of stuff comes natural to this dude or something he just enjoys.

Either way, it's time to disengage.

Maybe the two of you can share a room until your times of the month pass. Good lord.

OOOOOOOOOO, you're KILLING it bro!!! You're like so undefeated in RealGM battles, you're the greatest man.

In serious news: FOHWTBSYBAN

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[DBC10]

^ Taking a wild guess, no disrespect but FOHWTBSYBAN = F* outta here with that B.S You B* A* N****a?

Bruce Brown is a scrub with zero offense. You can find guys like him easy.

He's been improving his shooting (his biggest knock as a mere 2nd rounder) each year. I would hold on to him 1 more year to hopefully let him turn into a passable 3 n D guy that either is a fringe starter or solid bench piece

[Crymson]

Perhaps. But when guys like Sam Vecenie at the Athletic, who is more informed than any fan on any fan forum, projects Isaac Okoro or possibly even Patrick Williams to Detroit in his latest mock based on his knowledge of the player type of wing players that Weaver favors, I don’t think I’m out of line stating that I believe that Brown fits the mold of what he’s looking for.

Vecenie himself seems to have been speculating, and I think that his analysis on the Pistons' inclinations was extremely lazy. It went into nothing of team needs or team plans, but instead simply left it at what Weaver supposedly likes in a player. Even if he's correct about Weaver's preferences---which, as I said, nobody can know; he's never made any decisions at the management level---more will go into this decision than simply the type of player Weaver prefers.

Much is made of that story about he and Westbrook, but there was more to that: Westbrook was qualified to be a lead guard, a component of which OKC was certainly in need; and he'd shot just fine in the NCAA. The next year saw OKC draft Harden, who was not particularly athletic at all, over quite a few very athletic players high in the first round.

Based on what I’ve read from you, you’re obviously a very knowledgeable fan. But by and large, your posts seem to be you directly responding to other people’s posts just to tell that why you think they’re wrong. I actually posted something about Bruce Brown that was meant to be in support of your thoughts on him, but yet you chose to respond to me to contradict that?

I'm here to discuss basketball. That'll often mean disagreeing with people. Sometimes that disagreement is based in opinion, and sometimes in facts. I think I do a good job of keeping those two distinct.

In any event, I'm not sure what it was of mine with which you were agreeing.

[Manocad]

^ Taking a wild guess, no disrespect but FOHWTBSYBAN = F* outta here with that B.S You B* A* N****a?

The acronym is indeed one of the keyboard warrior's favorite weapons. Kinda like the toy gun that shoots out a little flag reading "BANG!"


In any case, I'm in the BPA at #7 camp and just go from there. If done properly a rebuild can't be expected to be completed in a year or likely even two. Thus I'd put Brown in the same category as Kennard in the sense that while I don't see him factoring into the long term plans for the team there's no reason to not just let the process play out. If at some point Brown doesn't look like he's become a player that fits the mold the team is growing into on the way to being competitive (hopefully), then just move on. I generally don't get too enamored over any one player and given the point the team is at right now, I can't name a single player who qualifies for the "Gotta hang on to this guy; he's the type a championship team needs" designation" except Wood. Given a reasonable salary I think Wood fits in anywhere. Kennard too if it weren't for the knees; if not as a starter then certainly off the bench.

[KJStark23]

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[DetroitSho]

^ Taking a wild guess, no disrespect but FOHWTBSYBAN = F* outta here with that B.S You B* A* N****a?

Bruce Brown is a scrub with zero offense. You can find guys like him easy.

He's been improving his shooting (his biggest knock as a mere 2nd rounder) each year. I would hold on to him 1 more year to hopefully let him turn into a passable 3 n D guy that either is a fringe starter or solid bench piece

I will neither confirm nor deny. I thought about posting pictures of my guns but I thought that'd be too keyboard warriorish.

By the way, on Bruce Brown, I've actually shared both of you guys' opinions on him at times during his career. I think he's graduated from scrub with no offense. But still pretty meh in my eyes.

[Manocad]

^ Taking a wild guess, no disrespect but FOHWTBSYBAN = F* outta here with that B.S You B* A* N****a?

Bruce Brown is a scrub with zero offense. You can find guys like him easy.

He's been improving his shooting (his biggest knock as a mere 2nd rounder) each year. I would hold on to him 1 more year to hopefully let him turn into a passable 3 n D guy that either is a fringe starter or solid bench piece

I will neither confirm nor deny. I thought about posting pictures of my guns but I thought that'd be too keyboard warriorish.

By the way, on Bruce Brown, I've actually shared both of you guys' opinions on him at times during his career. I think he's graduated from scrub with no offense. But still pretty meh in my eyes.

Yes, that would be the ultimate keyboard warrior move. Not to mention, I'd bet that I've got more.

That's no BS either; I've got 100 acres of hunting property on the west side of the state and hunt pretty much anything you can shoot and eat (as in game animals, not "I'm stuck in the woods and starving, and sure, you CAN eat a raccoon" hunting). I also have a side business that includes buying undervalued hunting rifles, upgrading them, and selling them; think decent used, low priced rifles with garbage stocks/scopes/triggers that with some very budget-conscious upgrades become really good rifles at far less expense than what a new high end rifle costs, although I generally have no more than 2-3 of those for sale at any given time. I also target/skeet shoot as much as I can so if you can name the caliber, I probably own it. Pistols, rifles, shotguns, even a bow and a crossbow.

[MotownMadness]

^ Taking a wild guess, no disrespect but FOHWTBSYBAN = F* outta here with that B.S You B* A* N****a?



He's been improving his shooting (his biggest knock as a mere 2nd rounder) each year. I would hold on to him 1 more year to hopefully let him turn into a passable 3 n D guy that either is a fringe starter or solid bench piece

I will neither confirm nor deny. I thought about posting pictures of my guns but I thought that'd be too keyboard warriorish.

By the way, on Bruce Brown, I've actually shared both of you guys' opinions on him at times during his career. I think he's graduated from scrub with no offense. But still pretty meh in my eyes.

Yes, that would be the ultimate keyboard warrior move. Not to mention, I'd bet that I've got more.

That's no BS either; I've got 100 acres of hunting property on the west side of the state and hunt pretty much anything you can shoot and eat (as in game animals, not "I'm stuck in the woods and starving, and sure, you CAN eat a raccoon" hunting). I also have a side business that includes buying undervalued hunting rifles, upgrading them, and selling them; think decent used, low priced rifles with garbage stocks/scopes/triggers that with some very budget-conscious upgrades become really good rifles at far less expense than what a new high end rifle costs, although I generally have no more than 2-3 of those for sale at any given time. I also target/skeet shoot as much as I can so if you can name the caliber, I probably own it. Pistols, rifles, shotguns, even a bow and a crossbow.

Nice, can I come and drink some beer and ride my Raptor 700?

[flow]

I disagree on the value to the Pistons versus other teams. The needs of a team closer to contention tend to be more defined than a team in a full rebuild. I can totally see one of them specifically targeting the ability to shadow or guard a specific player or just shore up a position defensively.

Guards who cannot shoot are of minimal value in today's NBA. Even if they're on the floor with four shooters (e.g. PJ Dozier with the Nuggets), they're still liabilities on the more important half of the floor.

I understand the context of this statement is in reference to Brown. But as a general statement, I disagree to the extent that there will always be value in elite-level floor generals who can pilot/create offense regardless of whether they can shoot. Especially if there are shooters around them. The Rondos, Rubios, Kidds of the world. Kawhi is begging for one right now. Obviously, Brown doesn't fall into that category.

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[Manocad]

I will neither confirm nor deny. I thought about posting pictures of my guns but I thought that'd be too keyboard warriorish.

By the way, on Bruce Brown, I've actually shared both of you guys' opinions on him at times during his career. I think he's graduated from scrub with no offense. But still pretty meh in my eyes.

Yes, that would be the ultimate keyboard warrior move. Not to mention, I'd bet that I've got more.

That's no BS either; I've got 100 acres of hunting property on the west side of the state and hunt pretty much anything you can shoot and eat (as in game animals, not "I'm stuck in the woods and starving, and sure, you CAN eat a raccoon" hunting). I also have a side business that includes buying undervalued hunting rifles, upgrading them, and selling them; think decent used, low priced rifles with garbage stocks/scopes/triggers that with some very budget-conscious upgrades become really good rifles at far less expense than what a new high end rifle costs, although I generally have no more than 2-3 of those for sale at any given time. I also target/skeet shoot as much as I can so if you can name the caliber, I probably own it. Pistols, rifles, shotguns, even a bow and a crossbow.

Nice, can I come and drink some beer and ride my Raptor 700?

It’s great property for that; I’ve got trails cut through the woods that have a lot of curves and bounces plus some open sandy dirt road with hilly spots. I’ve got a buddy who’s a big motocross guy but he calls it too easy for a motorcycle; he’s used to tearing through wooded trails specifically for bikes/motorcycles (3 feet wide) and my trails are vehicle width (7-8 feet). I put the trails in basically for hunting access so I wouldn’t be dragging a deer a quarter mile so I’m shopping now for a quad/2 up/4 up that would double as a deer hauler/joy rider. It’s got a 35 acre lake too so I’ve got the fishing/swimming/canoeing/kayaking thing going on as well.

[BJK1]

Perhaps. But when guys like Sam Vecenie at the Athletic, who is more informed than any fan on any fan forum, projects Isaac Okoro or possibly even Patrick Williams to Detroit in his latest mock based on his knowledge of the player type of wing players that Weaver favors, I don’t think I’m out of line stating that I believe that Brown fits the mold of what he’s looking for.

Vecenie himself seems to have been speculating, and I think that his analysis on the Pistons' inclinations was extremely lazy. It went into nothing of team needs or team plans, but instead simply left it at what Weaver supposedly likes in a player. Even if he's correct about Weaver's preferences---which, as I said, nobody can know; he's never made any decisions at the management level---more will go into this decision than simply the type of player Weaver prefers.

Much is made of that story about he and Westbrook, but there was more to that: Westbrook was qualified to be a lead guard, a component of which OKC was certainly in need; and he'd shot just fine in the NCAA. The next year saw OKC draft Harden, who was not particularly athletic at all, over quite a few very athletic players high in the first round.

Based on what I’ve read from you, you’re obviously a very knowledgeable fan. But by and large, your posts seem to be you directly responding to other people’s posts just to tell that why you think they’re wrong. I actually posted something about Bruce Brown that was meant to be in support of your thoughts on him, but yet you chose to respond to me to contradict that?

I'm here to discuss basketball. That'll often mean disagreeing with people. Sometimes that disagreement is based in opinion, and sometimes in facts. I think I do a good job of keeping those two distinct.

In any event, I'm not sure what it was of mine with which you were agreeing.

While published mock drafts are just crapshoots that serve no purpose beyond fan entertainment, Sam Vecenie’s mocks are generally viewed as the best because as long time NBA and NCAA writer/reporter, he actually leverages his league sources to provide informed and detailed analysis for each team. Even the hosts of the DtB podcast (which you specifically promoted on this forum) refer to Sam Vecenie’s Athletic mock draft as the one to pay attention to. But you feel that his analysis is extremely lazy? Okay, you’re entitled to that.

Regarding Bruce Brown, you responded to someone else’s post stating your reasons why he makes sense for a rebuilding Pistons team. I simply posted right after that he also fits the profile of what Weaver likes in wings. You found a reason to disagree with that and provided a rebuttal that invoked Westbrook and Harden. Okay, though I never brought up those players. Perhaps I more had a guy like OKC’s Lu Dort in mind (who’s initial signing Weaver was behind) when considering that profile. Good or bad, he played a big role down the stretch for a playoff team.

Anyway, you’re welcome to respond, but I feel like I’ve wasted enough time on this. Like many others on this forum, I now live outside of MI, so I enjoy coming here with an open mind to chat and read/share relevant content about the team that I’ve rooted for since I was a kid. I don’t agree with everything I read here, but I don’t feel the need to come to a fan forum to seek out arguments or dissect people’s posts just to disagree either. I’m pretty sure none of us here have any actual say or control of what the team does, so what’s the point of that? But that’s me.

[MotownMadness]

Perhaps. But when guys like Sam Vecenie at the Athletic, who is more informed than any fan on any fan forum, projects Isaac Okoro or possibly even Patrick Williams to Detroit in his latest mock based on his knowledge of the player type of wing players that Weaver favors, I don’t think I’m out of line stating that I believe that Brown fits the mold of what he’s looking for.

Vecenie himself seems to have been speculating, and I think that his analysis on the Pistons' inclinations was extremely lazy. It went into nothing of team needs or team plans, but instead simply left it at what Weaver supposedly likes in a player. Even if he's correct about Weaver's preferences---which, as I said, nobody can know; he's never made any decisions at the management level---more will go into this decision than simply the type of player Weaver prefers.

Much is made of that story about he and Westbrook, but there was more to that: Westbrook was qualified to be a lead guard, a component of which OKC was certainly in need; and he'd shot just fine in the NCAA. The next year saw OKC draft Harden, who was not particularly athletic at all, over quite a few very athletic players high in the first round.

Based on what I’ve read from you, you’re obviously a very knowledgeable fan. But by and large, your posts seem to be you directly responding to other people’s posts just to tell that why you think they’re wrong. I actually posted something about Bruce Brown that was meant to be in support of your thoughts on him, but yet you chose to respond to me to contradict that?

I'm here to discuss basketball. That'll often mean disagreeing with people. Sometimes that disagreement is based in opinion, and sometimes in facts. I think I do a good job of keeping those two distinct.

In any event, I'm not sure what it was of mine with which you were agreeing.

While published mock drafts are just crapshoots that serve no purpose beyond fan entertainment, Sam Vecenie’s mocks are generally viewed as the best because as long time NBA and NCAA writer/reporter, he actually leverages his league sources to provide informed and detailed analysis for each team. Even the hosts of the DtB podcast (which you specifically promoted on this forum) refer to Sam Vecenie’s Athletic mock draft as the one to pay attention to. But you feel that his analysis is extremely lazy? Okay, you’re entitled to that.

Regarding Bruce Brown, you responded to someone else’s post stating your reasons why he makes sense for a rebuilding Pistons team. I simply posted right after that he also fits the profile of what Weaver likes in wings. You found a reason to disagree with that and provided a rebuttal that invoked Westbrook and Harden. Okay, though I never brought up those players. Perhaps I more had a guy like OKC’s Lu Dort in mind (who’s initial signing Weaver was behind) when considering that profile. Good or bad, he played a big role down the stretch for a playoff team.

Anyway, you’re welcome to respond, but I feel like I’ve wasted enough time on this. Like many others on this forum, I now live outside of MI, so I enjoy coming here with an open mind to chat and read/share relevant content about the team that I’ve rooted for since I was a kid. I don’t agree with everything I read here, but I don’t feel the need to come to a fan forum to seek out arguments or dissect people’s posts just to disagree either. I’m pretty sure none of us here have any actual say or control of what the team does, so what’s the point of that? But that’s me.

Does the Athletic charge money or do they just want you to download the app? cause I cant ever see their stuff

[BJK1]

They charge, but you can sometimes find portions of their content shared on free sites. I think the latest Pistons draft pick analysis from Vecenie was shared by one of the unofficial Pistons websites. I think I shared it somewhere earlier in this thread.

[MotownMadness]

They charge, but you can sometimes find portions of their content shared on free sites. I think the latest Pistons draft pick analysis from Vecenie was shared by one of the unofficial Pistons websites. I think I shared it somewhere earlier in this thread.

Yeah someone posted it on YouTube and I watched it.