2020 NBA Draft Thread, Part 2 -- (8PM, Wed, Nov. 18, ESPN)

[31to6]

Dream:
Trade up for Okongwu

Wet dream:
Trade up for Okongwu and still have another first with which to take any of the dozen+ guys I like and am currently overrating

Happy with:
14 - S. Bey
26 - Oturu
30 - Riller

Sad about/expecting:
14 - Cole Anthony
26 - Bolmaro
40 - Carey

[Bleeding Green]

I'd be a lot more confident in a player developing a shot as opposed to developing different musculature.

[Darth Celtic]

I'd be a lot more confident in a player developing a shot as opposed to developing different musculature.

then they must not be seeing LeBron's special miami doctor.....

[Bleeding Green]

I would expect every player to be doing that, but not many have improved their lateral quickness upon entering the NBA.

[100proof]

Dream:
Trade up for Okongwu

Wet dream:
Trade up for Okongwu and still have another first with which to take any of the dozen+ guys I like and am currently overrating

Happy with:
14 - S. Bey
26 - Oturu
30 - Riller

Sad about/expecting:
14 - Cole Anthony
26 - Bolmaro
40 - Carey

I am ok with Okongwu going to washington if we can get Bryant.

But right now I want multiple top 10 picks.

Haliburton or Hayes (not too greedy)
Okongwu
Okoro

[Disinformation]

Am I a bad person for not wanting a dude named "Precious" on my team?

As far as trade ups, I'd be fine if Ainge moved up a little from 14 to make sure he gets the guy he wants (you know, like he should have done with Herro last year). But in a draft described as weak at the top and deep at the middle level, I don't understand why you would want to trade all 3 picks for 1 higher pick. None of the guys in this draft seem like sure bets OR sure busts, so why not get 3 shots at more or less the same level of player? Roster spots are going to open when Kanter opts out, Vinny goes back to France, and/or Semi gets shipped off to whatever the NBA equivalent of Siberia is (the Knicks?). I just find it hard to see going all in on flawed prospects like LaMelo,Wiseman, Tobin, or Okongwu.

[SmartWentCrazy]

If we draft him, I hope I'm wrong, but that seems like "if he can just develop a jumper". Obviously, people can improve, but he just doesn't seem fluid to me. But, I've watched one highlight reel once, so...

He has some indicators at least— good FT%, decent form.

Wasn't commenting on his shooting. I meant "get those twitch muscles better" is similar to people wanting a prospect to learn to shoot. "He'd be great if..."

Yah but I’m dumb and misread it...

Yeah, never bet on twitch muscles improving dramatically. It just wont happen, except for the rarest of circumstances.

[RickyDizzle]

I want 2 of those 5 guys,. Kemba and our picks are on the table for them.

IMO

Haliburton or Hayes
Williams or Okoro
Onyeka or Wiseman

Dream draft.

I really love Okoro, but I think Wiliams might be the better pro, he already has a more advanced offense and certainly a better shooter.

Haliburton will contribute right away, and will always be a high floor mid ceiling player, Hayes could be a star but has a lower floor.

OO and Wiseman, I love either. I think OO fits our team better as I believe Wiseman wants to produce offensively.

Realistic... Vassel, Nesmith, Kira Lewis, Terry, Precious, Pat Williams, J Smith, S Bey (in that order) or a slider at 14

At 26, Lewis, J Smith, S. Bey or Ramsey

At 30, Ramsey, T. Bey, Carey, Read, Reed

Guys I want no part of Hampton, Anthony, Maxey, Maledon, McDaniels, Green, Pokemon.

I have always been pretty high on Hampton, he is looking better and better since the shutdown.

Why are you down on him?

Too skinny... and 3pt% is not good. I think he's kind of an Evan Turner / Exum type guy. Pretty good handle and feel, but where in today's NBA is there space for a guard that can't shoot? Lots of turnovers too.

[RickyDizzle]

Btw, does anyone have a nightmare scenario?

Players that seem like they would be available at #14 that would have you yelling at your tv, pulling your hair out, and calling for the head of Danny Ainge?

Mine would without question be Cole Anthony.

ha ha ha I used to defend Cole Anthony and I still think he's overly maligned because his game will translate to the NBA better than it did college, but now that I've researched this class he's pushed into the 2nd round. But that's a sign that the class is so good, not that he's necessarily going to bust. But yeah, if he's the pick at #14 I'll just shake my head and think typical Danny

Some other names I'd cringe over if I hear called for #14 are: Toppin, Smith, Williams, and Maxey.

My nightmare scenario is Anthony, Maledon, or Hampton with Josh Green and Poku.

Josh Green is maybe good if he can develop a decent 3 pt shot, but my fear is he is a SG version of Semi. Looks and measures great, D's people up pretty well, but a non-factor on offense at SG... Poku will bust.

[100proof]

Realistic... Vassel, Nesmith, Kira Lewis, Terry, Precious, Pat Williams, J Smith, S Bey (in that order) or a slider at 14

At 26, Lewis, J Smith, S. Bey or Ramsey

At 30, Ramsey, T. Bey, Carey, Read, Reed

Guys I want no part of Hampton, Anthony, Maxey, Maledon, McDaniels, Green, Pokemon.

I have always been pretty high on Hampton, he is looking better and better since the shutdown.

Why are you down on him?

Too skinny... and 3pt% is not good. I think he's kind of an Evan Turner / Exum type guy. Pretty good handle and feel, but where in today's NBA is there space for a guard that can't shoot? Lots of turnovers too.

He has been working on shooting mostly exclusively since the shut down, And Mike Miller (who he has been working with) claims his shooting has improved tremendously. better form from the floor up.

Also been working this offseason with Penny Hardaway.

And just as an FYI,

as a 19 year old, moving halfway around the world playing against legit pro level competition he averaged 2.7 turnovers per 36, Kemba averaged 2.4 turnovers per 36 this past season as a 29 year old 9 year nba vet

Watch on YouTube

Watch on YouTube

[RickyDizzle]

I have always been pretty high on Hampton, he is looking better and better since the shutdown.

Why are you down on him?

Too skinny... and 3pt% is not good. I think he's kind of an Evan Turner / Exum type guy. Pretty good handle and feel, but where in today's NBA is there space for a guard that can't shoot? Lots of turnovers too.

He has been working on shooting mostly exclusively since the shut down, And Mike Miller (who he has been working with) claims his shooting has improved tremendously. better form from the floor up.

Also been working this offseason with Penny Hardaway.

And just as an FYI,

as a 19 year old, moving halfway around the world playing against legit pro level competition he averaged 2.7 turnovers per 36, Kemba averaged 2.4 turnovers per 36 this past season as a 29 year old 9 year nba vet

That's fair and sounds encouraging. I don't like him for the celtics, but a good 3 pt shot would help. If he had 2.7 turnovers per 36 against crummy competition in New Zealand, I'm sure that would go up even more against NBA defenders that are stronger, faster, longer, and more-skilled. Per NBADRAFT.net, he averaged a third most 3.9 turnovers per game over the Under Armour Association in 2018.

[100proof]

Too skinny... and 3pt% is not good. I think he's kind of an Evan Turner / Exum type guy. Pretty good handle and feel, but where in today's NBA is there space for a guard that can't shoot? Lots of turnovers too.

He has been working on shooting mostly exclusively since the shut down, And Mike Miller (who he has been working with) claims his shooting has improved tremendously. better form from the floor up.

Also been working this offseason with Penny Hardaway.

And just as an FYI,

as a 19 year old, moving halfway around the world playing against legit pro level competition he averaged 2.7 turnovers per 36, Kemba averaged 2.4 turnovers per 36 this past season as a 29 year old 9 year nba vet

That's fair and sounds encouraging. I don't like him for the celtics, but a good 3 pt shot would help. If he had 2.7 turnovers per 36 against crummy competition in New Zealand, I'm sure that would go up even more against NBA defenders that are stronger, faster, longer, and more-skilled. Per NBADRAFT.net, he averaged a third most 3.9 turnovers per game over the Under Armour Association in 2018.

not getting a perfect player in this draft or at pick 14.

[RickyDizzle]

He has been working on shooting mostly exclusively since the shut down, And Mike Miller (who he has been working with) claims his shooting has improved tremendously. better form from the floor up.

Also been working this offseason with Penny Hardaway.

And just as an FYI,

as a 19 year old, moving halfway around the world playing against legit pro level competition he averaged 2.7 turnovers per 36, Kemba averaged 2.4 turnovers per 36 this past season as a 29 year old 9 year nba vet

That's fair and sounds encouraging. I don't like him for the celtics, but a good 3 pt shot would help. If he had 2.7 turnovers per 36 against crummy competition in New Zealand, I'm sure that would go up even more against NBA defenders that are stronger, faster, longer, and more-skilled. Per NBADRAFT.net, he averaged a third most 3.9 turnovers per game over the Under Armour Association in 2018.

not getting a perfect player in this draft or at pick 14.

Agreed. If we draft him, I'll watch all the hype videos and try to get on board, but so far, he's just not on my list. There's other players that other people all seem to hate that I like quite a bit, Vernon Carey for example. Super smooth, big, that can block some shots and hit threes. Not switchable and likely not a starter, but I would rather have him in the Kanter role for sure. A big that is over 6'7" can block a couple shots, score on the block, and needs to be guarded out to the 3 pt line, is something we don't have and could use off the bench. At 26 or 30, thats helpful.

[Spin Move]

I don’t watch much college ball but is Toppin worth trading by up for ? His size & skill intrigues me but that’s just me watching highlights.

He is not a 5, he is a meh rebounder for a 4, he is truly a big wing /Stretch 4 that can create mismatches. He has a good chance to be a Tobias Harris type, really solid stretch 4

He looks like if Aaron Gordon played defense like Jabari Parker.

Better shooting Aaron Gorden is a good comp, he has the athletiscm to be a good defender at the 4, whether he will or not time will tell.

[Spin Move]

I have always been pretty high on Hampton, he is looking better and better since the shutdown.

Why are you down on him?

Too skinny... and 3pt% is not good. I think he's kind of an Evan Turner / Exum type guy. Pretty good handle and feel, but where in today's NBA is there space for a guard that can't shoot? Lots of turnovers too.

He has been working on shooting mostly exclusively since the shut down, And Mike Miller (who he has been working with) claims his shooting has improved tremendously. better form from the floor up.

Also been working this offseason with Penny Hardaway.

And just as an FYI,

as a 19 year old, moving halfway around the world playing against legit pro level competition he averaged 2.7 turnovers per 36, Kemba averaged 2.4 turnovers per 36 this past season as a 29 year old 9 year nba vet

Watch on YouTube

Watch on YouTube

I am not an RJ Hampton fan and the league he played in is a joke, might compare to D II in the states. He is a project and we can't take someone who is 2 years away from being a sub at 14. He is an athlete, but does not fit our priorities our timeline. Not saying in 4 years he wont be good, but next year and the year after he will be bad.

[Bleeding Green]

He is not a 5, he is a meh rebounder for a 4, he is truly a big wing /Stretch 4 that can create mismatches. He has a good chance to be a Tobias Harris type, really solid stretch 4

He looks like if Aaron Gordon played defense like Jabari Parker.

Better shooting Aaron Gorden is a good comp, he has the athletiscm to be a good defender at the 4, whether he will or not time will tell.

He moves like Kanter laterally, I don't see it. I can't watch traffic cones and neither can Ainge.

[CelticsPride18]

He looks like if Aaron Gordon played defense like Jabari Parker.

Better shooting Aaron Gorden is a good comp, he has the athletiscm to be a good defender at the 4, whether he will or not time will tell.

He moves like Kanter laterally, I don't see it. I can't watch traffic cones and neither can Ainge.

If we move up for him I’m going to be so pissed off. I’m hoping he stays away from Toppin and Cole Anthony

[themoneyteam2]

If we’re talking about taking the guy with highest ceiling at 14 it’s gotta be RJ Hampton. I want nothing to do with Aaron Nesmith if he’s still there and doubt the Celtics do either.

If they stay at 14, id bet on them picking a big (Precious) or Kira Lewis. Both guys they’re very high on.

[playa-hater]

Am I a bad person for not wanting a dude named "Precious" on my team?

borderline Evil is closer IMO !!

[playa-hater]

I have have a new consensus..

The CONSENSUS is the posters are all over the place with Prospects and we will never agree!!!

It is funny how some players have both a love fan base and a hate fans base..

Is there a SINGLE player everyone likes ???