2020 NBA Draft Thread: Bulls pick 4th: PT 2

[sco]

I believe Wiseman's floor is a Whiteside/Mitchell Robinson rim protecting roleplayer but his ceiling is immense even if it's a small chance he reaches it. This is why I personally would trade WCJ +4 for Wiseman. At worst it's basically swapping out one roleplaying big for another who will have 2 additional years on his rookie deal. At least Wiseman has some star potential which I dont see with WCJ.

I'm sorta meh on WCj, but I just see a Kwame Brown level mistake taking Wiseman. Bigs have become less valuable in the league. IMO, there are always going to be reasonably-priced starting talent-level C's in FA, where other positions don't have the same availability of talent.

3 of the top 5ish centers were featured on 3 of the 4 conference finals teams this year. If everyone else is only getting a reasonable starting center, or an undersized center, that seems like an opportunity to exploit.

Of course it depends what you think of Wisemans ability to significantly outperform that average level, which remains an open question.

I have no idea what to think about Wiseman's ability. He might as well be a HS player...that's the rub for me.

[TheStig]

Gamble Pick = Anthony Edwards = Only Clear #1 Option Ceiling Prospect In This Draft

Safest Picks = James Wiseman, Onyeka Okongwu, Devin Vassell, Tyrese Haliburton = At Least They'll Be Serviceable Role Players

Potential Gem Picks = Tyrell Terry (shooting), Kira Lewis (speed/dynamic scoring), Aaron Nesmith (shooting)

Major Flaws In Game / High Bust Potential = LaMelo Ball, Deni Avdija, Killian Hayes, Obi Toppin, Isaac Okoro, RJ Hampton, Cole Anthony

That's how I would currently rank these projected lottery picks

I'm leaning toward Wiseman or Edwards or trading down. I think Wiseman can develop a 3 and be an excellent 3 and D and athletic beast C.

Those are probably my #1 and #2 as well just on pure upside. Wiseman jump shot looks pretty solid and you would think he can extend his range later on.

I was previously down on him but seeing that jumper and how he moves helps the confidence. If he can extend to the 3, he'll be really really good.

[PlayerUp]

I'm leaning toward Wiseman or Edwards or trading down. I think Wiseman can develop a 3 and be an excellent 3 and D and athletic beast C.

Those are probably my #1 and #2 as well just on pure upside. Wiseman jump shot looks pretty solid and you would think he can extend his range later on.

I was previously down on him but seeing that jumper and how he moves helps the confidence. If he can extend to the 3, he'll be really really good.

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This guy believes the same thing. 3 and D center that can hit the 3 and defend. I know wings/guards dominate the NBA but this draft is weak so I would be on board with Wiseman if he drops to #4 which I would fine unlikely that he does.

[PlayerUp]

The difference between Deni/Hayes and Porzingis/Doncic is that Porzingis/Doncic were actually performing at a high level overseas against strong competition before coming to the NBA.

I don't see what makes Porzingis' performances in Spain more impressive than what Hayes did in Germany this season. The Spanish league is better, sure, but Hayes played the most important role on the team and delivered. Both played in the EuroCup as well.

Hayes performed much better against stronger competition but for Deni well here you go:



As for Hayes, here is his full EuroCup Stats



Still international players as you can see have not transitioned well coming into the NBA. For those reasons, I'd tag Hayes, Deni and Ball all as risks but if you have to pick one who is the least risky, then no doubt it would be Killian Hayes.

[PlayerUp]

No way I would describe Wiseman as safe, but we already talked about that.

We did and the fact Wiseman dropping to #4 seems unlikely especially with him looking in top notch shape and reports are saying he looks impressive in his camp. He'll go #2 or #3.

[Chicago-Bull-E]

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[Am2626]

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There should be no case for Deni over Wiseman. Wiseman as mentioned in this video will at least minimum be a quality role player. He has more upside than Deni. If Wiseman drops to #4, we pretty much have to take him just on pure upside and guarantee we get something out of this draft.

Yes agreed if Wiseman is still there at 4 there should be no hesitation to take him. I just don’t see him still being on the board at 4. The Bulls most likely will have to move up to 2 to take him. The reality is that Deni will probably be the best available player at 4 so he is the most likely pick.

[SfBull]

I believe Wiseman's floor is a Whiteside/Mitchell Robinson rim protecting roleplayer but his ceiling is immense even if it's a small chance he reaches it. This is why I personally would trade WCJ +4 for Wiseman. At worst it's basically swapping out one roleplaying big for another who will have 2 additional years on his rookie deal. At least Wiseman has some star potential which I dont see with WCJ.

Looks like a great deal but I believe we'd need more for trading up.

[Grodoboldo]

The difference between Deni/Hayes and Porzingis/Doncic is that Porzingis/Doncic were actually performing at a high level overseas against strong competition before coming to the NBA.

I don't see what makes Porzingis' performances in Spain more impressive than what Hayes did in Germany this season. The Spanish league is better, sure, but Hayes played the most important role on the team and delivered. Both played in the EuroCup as well.

Hayes performed much better against stronger competition but for Deni well here you go:



As for Hayes, here is his full EuroCup Stats



Still international players as you can see have not transitioned well coming into the NBA. For those reasons, I'd tag Hayes, Deni and Ball all as risks but if you have to pick one who is the least risky, then no doubt it would be Killian Hayes.

Very good post!

The thing with Deni is that it's very hard projecting him as having any elite skill. I can easily see Hayes as an elite P&R creator. I also believe in his pull up jumper, even if that's more questionable.

[Grodoboldo]

One guy that I've watched more tis past week is Patrick Williams. He's raw, but I really like him! He definitely projects as a two way big wing, shows flashes of a switchable defender and a (admittedly developing) pull up jumper.

[SfBull]

Those are probably my #1 and #2 as well just on pure upside. Wiseman jump shot looks pretty solid and you would think he can extend his range later on.

I was previously down on him but seeing that jumper and how he moves helps the confidence. If he can extend to the 3, he'll be really really good.

Watch on YouTube

;t=198s

This guy believes the same thing. 3 and D center that can hit the 3 and defend. I know wings/guards dominate the NBA but this draft is weak so I would be on board with Wiseman if he drops to #4 which I would fine unlikely that he does.

I'd trade up for getting him, seems like a potentially great center.

[SfBull]

The difference between Deni/Hayes and Porzingis/Doncic is that Porzingis/Doncic were actually performing at a high level overseas against strong competition before coming to the NBA.

I don't see what makes Porzingis' performances in Spain more impressive than what Hayes did in Germany this season. The Spanish league is better, sure, but Hayes played the most important role on the team and delivered. Both played in the EuroCup as well.

Hayes performed much better against stronger competition but for Deni well here you go:



As for Hayes, here is his full EuroCup Stats



Still international players as you can see have not transitioned well coming into the NBA. For those reasons, I'd tag Hayes, Deni and Ball all as risks but if you have to pick one who is the least risky, then no doubt it would be Killian Hayes.

Better don't take that risk and go for a safe pick like Haliburton or Vassell.

[Bulls Fan 23]

One guy that I've watched more tis past week is Patrick Williams. He's raw, but I really like him! He definitely projects as a two way big wing, shows flashes of a switchable defender and a (admittedly developing) pull up jumper.

I like Jalen Smith better. But we would need to trade Thad first.

[othawhitemeat]

One guy that I've watched more tis past week is Patrick Williams. He's raw, but I really like him! He definitely projects as a two way big wing, shows flashes of a switchable defender and a (admittedly developing) pull up jumper.

I like Jalen Smith better. But we would need to trade Thad first.

Big Jalen Smith fan.

[Grodoboldo]

One guy that I've watched more tis past week is Patrick Williams. He's raw, but I really like him! He definitely projects as a two way big wing, shows flashes of a switchable defender and a (admittedly developing) pull up jumper.

I like Jalen Smith better. But we would need to trade Thad first.

I like Smith, but he just seems strictly like a 4-5. Can you see him switching in the perimeter? I truly doubt that. Also, he can't really create for himself or others.
Having said that, I think he's very talented and could really help a contender like Boston.

[PlayerUp]

One guy that I've watched more tis past week is Patrick Williams. He's raw, but I really like him! He definitely projects as a two way big wing, shows flashes of a switchable defender and a (admittedly developing) pull up jumper.

Very raw but yes the upside is there.

[PlayerUp]

Drafting the safest player isn't always the best idea. There's still a good chance of them busting due to their flaws never allowing them to meet their advertised floor. Or being too injury prone to develop a rhythm and grow as a player.

You're always better off taking the riskier prospect with the higher ceiling. we're not gonna pick as high as 4th again in awhile. Why not just take the BPA and get it over with? I mean we could trade down and gather assets. But with this draft being the way it is, everyone else is trying to trade down. Making this market too competitive to find a good deal for the sellers.

That's the thing we aren't sure who the BPA is available because the difference between #1 and #10 is minimal this draft. All the prospects at the top have their flaws and none of them stands out.

[Andi Obst]

I like Smith, but he just seems strictly like a 4-5. Can you see him switching in the perimeter? I truly doubt that. Also, he can't really create for himself or others.
Having said that, I think he's very talented and could really help a contender like Boston.

Not a big fan of Smith in the first round for the defensive reasons you mentioned. He's clearly a 5 at the next level IMO.

[Southpaw]

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I know we're trying to make the playoffs next season but damn, that draft is loaded with wings, the most valuable player type today.

As for Wiseman, isn't he the "safest" from among the top prospects in that if he reaches his ceiling, he'd be a great cornerstone of the franchise but if he doesn't he'd be a solid defensive C at least. I'm not comparing them but KAT was touted as a defensive athletic C (to Okafor who was supposed to be way better than him on offense) but look at KAT now.

[Ebo21]

I’m starting to lean more Obi Toppin @ 4. I’m imagining in his first year he’d come off the bench most of the year. If/when Lauri gets injuries again this season he’d be able to get his shot to start. If Lauri under performs and isn’t resigned or his price is too high next summer you don’t have heartburn about going separate ways.

As far as Obi’s defense we all know the issues there but we have Wendell and Gafford who are both plus defenders who could give help. Otto Porter when healthy is also a solid defender and is capable of guarding some 4’s in a jam.

Offensively Obi brings a different dimension than anyone else on the team currently. We know the athleticism is there, but he also is able to knock down 3’s as well. Those of you saying that he’s 22 are missing the point that he’s 22 and ready to contribute right now. That fits perfectly in line with the development of guys like Zach, Wendell, Coby, and even Lauri.