What is Jaylen Brown's ceiling?

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Wow, Jaylen and his grandfather are amazing people. I hope Jaylen runs for president when he retires.

Yeah. The most cynical spin I can come up with is that Jaylen has persuasion/spin skillz, and even famously took a graduate course at Berkeley to enhance them. But that's exactly what politicians need to do.

Oh, and a possibly fun trivia reminder, since Jaylen is a very young VP of the players' union -- what's the highest political office a president of an entertainers' union has later gone on to reach?

[Floody100]

Absolutely love what Jaylen is doing & cant sing his praises enough. Just hope that in between he’s started getting back in the gym & working on those handles too.

[Parliament10]

Wow, Jaylen and his grandfather are amazing people. I hope Jaylen runs for president when he retires.

Yeah. The most cynical spin I can come up with is that Jaylen has persuasion/spin skillz, and even famously took a graduate course at Berkeley to enhance them. But that's exactly what politicians need to do.

Oh, and a possibly fun trivia reminder, since Jaylen is a very young VP of the players' union -- what's the highest political office a president of an entertainers' union has later gone on to reach?

President Ronald Reagan was the leader of the actor's union.

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[Fencer reregistered]

Wow, Jaylen and his grandfather are amazing people. I hope Jaylen runs for president when he retires.

Yeah. The most cynical spin I can come up with is that Jaylen has persuasion/spin skillz, and even famously took a graduate course at Berkeley to enhance them. But that's exactly what politicians need to do.

Oh, and a possibly fun trivia reminder, since Jaylen is a very young VP of the players' union -- what's the highest political office a president of an entertainers' union has later gone on to reach?

President Ronald Reagan was the leader of the actor's union.

We have a winner!

Even better on the trivia -- he's the only President to ever have been a union member at all.

[Saint Lazarus]

It was asserted in the trade thread that Jaylen is most likely a top 40 player. I checked. I agree. In fact, I have him at #31, and see only 10 more guys who I think have even a strong argument over him.

My list is below; I hope there aren't any (or least aren't many) really embarrassing oversights/omissions. Guys named without comment I put ahead of him. Guys with question marks I don't put ahead of him, but recognize that other people easily might. (Indeed, a few guys I put behind Jaylen were 2020 all-stars. But on the other hand, I put Jaylen behind a few guys he outplayed in the postseason.)

Dallas – Doncic, Porzingis
Denver – Jokic, Murray
Golden State – Curry, Thompson, Green?
Houston – Harden, Westbrook
LAC – Leonard, George
LAL – James, Davis
Memphis – Morant?
Minnesota – Towns
New Orleans – Ingram, Williamson?, Holiday?
Oklahoma City – Paul
Phoenix – Booker?
Portland – Lillard
Sacramento – nobody
San Antonio – nobody
Utah – Mitchell, Gobert

18 yes, 4 close no

Atlanta – Young?
Boston – Tatum, Walker?, Hayward?
Brooklyn – Durant, Irving
Charlotte – nobody
Chicago – nobody
Cleveland – nobody
Detroit – nobody
Indiana – Sabonis?, Odiapo?, Brogdon?
Miami – Butler, Adebayo
Milwaukee – Antetokuonmpo, Middleton
NYK – nobody
Orlando – nobody
Philadelphia – Embiid, Simmons
Toronto – Siakam, Lowry
Washington – Beal

12 yes, 6 close no

I'll give you an updated list that is sure to trigger the Jaylen defense force. These are objectively better player, that you listed, no stats needed:

Trae
Hayward
Tatum
KD
Kyrie
Doncic
Porzingis
Steph
Klay
Harden
Westbrook
Sabonis
Oladipo
Lebron
AD
George
Kawhi
Morant
Butler
Bam
Giannis
Middleton
Zion
Holiday
Paul
Simmons
Embiid
Booker
Lillard
Lowry
Siakam
Mitchell
Gobert
Beal

that's 34 guys no doubt better than Jaylen. No debate to be had.

However, your list was missing the following objectively better players:

LaVine-25-5-4
DLO-23-4-6
Ayton-18-12-2
Blake-25-7-5 (last healthy season)
Wall-21-4-9 (last healthy season)
Love-17-10-3
JJJ-17-5-1 w/ 1.6 blocks
McCollum-22-4-4
Fox--22-4-7


now we're up to 43 OBJECTIVELY better players, when you consider the player's impact and position. Homers might laughably attempt to claim Jaylen is better than maybe 2-4 of these players but they'd be wrong.

Now, let's talk SUBJECTIVELY. The following have a similar impact as Jaylen and an argument could be made for them over him though I wouldn't:

Aldridge-19-7-3
DeRozan-22-5-5
Capela-14-14-1 with 2 blocks a game
Dinwiddie-21-4-7
Kemba-21-4-5
Drummond-15-15-3 with 1.5 blocks and steals a game
Graham-18-3-8
Brogdon-17-5-7
Hield-19-5-3

players I think are better but due to circumstances/injuries haven't completely proven it to the world just yet
MPJ
Markkanen
SGA
Lonzo
Bridges
Isaac
Barrett

add the 10-12 guys from the previous drafts with potential to be better and 10 or so guys from the 2020 draft class and it doesn't look good for Jaylen to get in that top 40 and definitely, should he crack it, not for a sustained amount of time because the 2021 class is LOADED.

Just enjoy the #3 that he is, the 3 and sometimes D and stop putting so much pressure on the poor kid by saying he's better than he is.

You lost this argument as soon as used a couple of players ‘last healthy season’.

60 year old Michael Jordan is also a better player than Jaylen now. He averaged 20, 6, and 4 in his last (healthy!) season!

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[captain green]

That list has alot of fluff no need to debate sillyness. If you don't like Brown you don't like basketball? Debate that yo lol

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[flintsky21]

If the Celtics don't add anybody else significant to the roster, we'll probably see JB play more minutes at the 4 with the lack of depth in that position behind JT and the loss of Hayward.

[AgentGreen]

Every offseason he has added new moves to his arsenal. Also has upgraded his shot and handles each season. He'll probably be one of the most complete two way wing in the league during his prime. If we keep playing him at the guard position it wont be even fair for the opponent, Brown will eat at that position. His work ethic is off the charts and he looks quite durable longevity wise.

[31to6]

Without Hayward I’m figuring the stage is his to be an All Star this year. Slight uptick in scoring and usage; expect he gets to run some more p and r this year.

[zoyathedestroya]

"There was no announcement or press conference related to it, but a Celtics community relations staffer confirmed that Jaylen Brown purchased and delivered Thanksgiving dinners to families in need in the Boston area this week. He continues to lead in different ways."

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/11/26/sports/thoughts-celtics-hornets-gordon-hayward-deal-other-nba-matters/

You're a good man, Jaylen Brown.

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[Celts17Pride]

Jaylen Brown is going to take another step forward this season and the Celtics will have two perennial all-stars for many years to come with Jaylen and Jayson. Good times ahead.

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[djFan71]

Jaylen’s awesome.

[31to6]

wow will you look at that, we have a thread dedicated to discussing Jaylen Brown!

HOF:)

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[LuckyLeprechaun]

It was asserted in the trade thread that Jaylen is most likely a top 40 player. I checked. I agree. In fact, I have him at #31, and see only 10 more guys who I think have even a strong argument over him.

My list is below; I hope there aren't any (or least aren't many) really embarrassing oversights/omissions. Guys named without comment I put ahead of him. Guys with question marks I don't put ahead of him, but recognize that other people easily might. (Indeed, a few guys I put behind Jaylen were 2020 all-stars. But on the other hand, I put Jaylen behind a few guys he outplayed in the postseason.)

Dallas – Doncic, Porzingis
Denver – Jokic, Murray
Golden State – Curry, Thompson, Green?
Houston – Harden, Westbrook
LAC – Leonard, George
LAL – James, Davis
Memphis – Morant?
Minnesota – Towns
New Orleans – Ingram, Williamson?, Holiday?
Oklahoma City – Paul
Phoenix – Booker?
Portland – Lillard
Sacramento – nobody
San Antonio – nobody
Utah – Mitchell, Gobert

18 yes, 4 close no

Atlanta – Young?
Boston – Tatum, Walker?, Hayward?
Brooklyn – Durant, Irving
Charlotte – nobody
Chicago – nobody
Cleveland – nobody
Detroit – nobody
Indiana – Sabonis?, Odiapo?, Brogdon?
Miami – Butler, Adebayo
Milwaukee – Antetokuonmpo, Middleton
NYK – nobody
Orlando – nobody
Philadelphia – Embiid, Simmons
Toronto – Siakam, Lowry
Washington – Beal

12 yes, 6 close no

I'll give you an updated list that is sure to trigger the Jaylen defense force. These are objectively better player, that you listed, no stats needed:

Trae
Hayward
Tatum
KD
Kyrie
Doncic
Porzingis
Steph
Klay
Harden
Westbrook
Sabonis
Oladipo
Lebron
AD
George
Kawhi
Morant
Butler
Bam
Giannis
Middleton
Zion
Holiday
Paul
Simmons
Embiid
Booker
Lillard
Lowry
Siakam
Mitchell
Gobert
Beal

that's 34 guys no doubt better than Jaylen. No debate to be had.

However, your list was missing the following objectively better players:

LaVine-25-5-4
DLO-23-4-6
Ayton-18-12-2
Blake-25-7-5 (last healthy season)
Wall-21-4-9 (last healthy season)
Love-17-10-3
JJJ-17-5-1 w/ 1.6 blocks
McCollum-22-4-4
Fox--22-4-7


now we're up to 43 OBJECTIVELY better players, when you consider the player's impact and position. Homers might laughably attempt to claim Jaylen is better than maybe 2-4 of these players but they'd be wrong.

Now, let's talk SUBJECTIVELY. The following have a similar impact as Jaylen and an argument could be made for them over him though I wouldn't:

Aldridge-19-7-3
DeRozan-22-5-5
Capela-14-14-1 with 2 blocks a game
Dinwiddie-21-4-7
Kemba-21-4-5
Drummond-15-15-3 with 1.5 blocks and steals a game
Graham-18-3-8
Brogdon-17-5-7
Hield-19-5-3

players I think are better but due to circumstances/injuries haven't completely proven it to the world just yet
MPJ
Markkanen
SGA
Lonzo
Bridges
Isaac
Barrett

add the 10-12 guys from the previous drafts with potential to be better and 10 or so guys from the 2020 draft class and it doesn't look good for Jaylen to get in that top 40 and definitely, should he crack it, not for a sustained amount of time because the 2021 class is LOADED.

Just enjoy the #3 that he is, the 3 and sometimes D and stop putting so much pressure on the poor kid by saying he's better than he is.

ESPN's new player rankings have Jaylen at 32 and ESPN is by no means Celtic shills. Clearly you're the one underrating him relative to the eyes of non-Celtic fans. Fencer putting him at 31 when ESPN has him at 32 sounds like a pretty valid assessment.