Nets Going Forward: Planning for Next Season

[ProspectPark]

OK yall:

What is Jrue Holiday is shooting on wide open looks from three?

To me, on a roster where we will have elite floor spacing in KD/Kyrie/Harris on the floor at the same time, that's the only metric that matters and there's too much noise in this thread. If he's shooting a good, above average % on those looks, that's what matters.

The NBA describes it as closest defender is within:

2-4 feet = tight
4-6 feet = open
6+ feet = wide open

Jrue Holiday on OPEN shots (No defender within 4-6 feet):

2019-2020 - 32% on 2.5 attempts
2018-2019 - 30.3% on 2.1 attempts
2017-2018 - 31.3% on 1.6 attempts

You’re not getting wide open shots in the playoffs especially in the half court in the last 5 minutes of a close when teams have AD, LeBron, Kawhi, and PG, to guard KD and Kyrie.

This is flawed premise. Of course you get wide open shots in the playoffs.

Defense has to give up something when you have KD + Kyrie on the floor. This isn't street ball - AD and Bron aren't guarding them straight up, they need to deal with helping when Joe Harris is coming off a screen, DeAndre/JA diving in for a lob, Jrue/Caris/Dinwiddie attacking off a PNR on their weakest defender, etc.

Fair point.

But I still don’t want a player who can only shoot when he’s wide open. When a defender is within 5 feet he shoots 30 or 31%. To me that’s a red flag. I would rather keep what we have.

Under the pressure of a must win playoff game against elite defenses, it’s fair to believe his shooting would get even worse.

Not saying he’s not a good player, just don’t want him on our team.

[Prokorov]

Dinwiddie/Levert/Allen are not at all replaceable. They are all great young pieces which give us depth and versatility.


Worth more than one player who isn't even an All Star.

The league is going big and you want to go smaller.

None of dinwiddie/allen/levert are great. they have combined to make 0 all-star teams and 0 all-nba teams. Jrue has made more then all 3 combined. We have plenty of depth. You can replace Allen with the MLE with someone like baynes who is anice contract to jordan as he can stretch the floor a bit and give us some bulk inside.

Jrue replaces levert as he is much better then levert in every apsect of basketball.

We still would have Prince, Temple, Kurucs, TLC + MLE coming off the bench and we would upgrade to the leagues best starting 5

Also, the idea that the league is going big is absurd. it has trended smaller for a decade. many teams dont even use a center.

[ProspectPark]

This.

If we’re defining wide open 3’s as 4-6 feet open, he’s around 37%.

If we’re talking 6’+, he’s over 40%. This is on almost 3 attempts per game. This is also for last year.

Averaging out the last 3 years he’s about 36% on everything 4-6’, maybe 38 and change from 6’ and beyond of defenders.

All of this wrong lol

4-6 feet is not considered “wide open”.

Not all of this is wrong, but I did mess up the data, it was totally unintentional, I just wrote it out wrong after talking about it over and over.

4-6' is 32%
6'+ is 40%+

Combined is about 37% on anything outside 4'.

That is for this year.

But the last 3 years it's all similar.

So my averages are correct, as are my 6'+, but I was way off on 4-6'. Instead of 37% on 4-6' I should have had 32%.

A chart is your friend.

For example:

Holiday 3 point percentage on Open Shots (closest defender within 4-6 feet):

2019-2020 - 32% on 2.5 attempts
2018-2019 - 30.3% on 2.1 attempts
2017-2018 - 31.3% on 1.6 attempts

[vincecarter4pres]

The NBA describes it as closest defender is within:

2-4 feet = tight
4-6 feet = open
6+ feet = wide open

Jrue Holiday on OPEN shots (No defender within 4-6 feet):

2019-2020 - 32% on 2.5 attempts
2018-2019 - 30.3% on 2.1 attempts
2017-2018 - 31.3% on 1.6 attempts

You’re not getting wide open shots in the playoffs especially in the half court in the last 5 minutes of a close when teams have AD, LeBron, Kawhi, and PG, to guard KD and Kyrie.

This is flawed premise. Of course you get wide open shots in the playoffs.

Defense has to give up something when you have KD + Kyrie on the floor. This isn't street ball - AD and Bron aren't guarding them straight up, they need to deal with helping when Joe Harris is coming off a screen, DeAndre/JA diving in for a lob, Jrue/Caris/Dinwiddie attacking off a PNR on their weakest defender, etc.

Fair point.

But I still don’t want a player who can only shoot when he’s wide open. When a defender is within 5 feet he shoots 30 or 31%. To me that’s a red flag. I would rather keep what we have.

Under the pressure of a must win playoff game against elite defenses, it’s fair to believe his shooting would get even worse.

Not saying he’s not a good player, just don’t want him on our team.

Just wondering, have you looked up other players on these type of stats aside from Jrue?

I mean the last 3 years, Dinwiddie is very similar across the board on open and wide open three's, about exactly the same on open 3's on similar attempts and not as good as Jrue on wide open. About identical with a hand in his face as well. Much worse as an overall shooter.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Dinwiddie/Levert/Allen are not at all replaceable. They are all great young pieces which give us depth and versatility.


Worth more than one player who isn't even an All Star.

The league is going big and you want to go smaller.

None of dinwiddie/allen/levert are great. they have combined to make 0 all-star teams and 0 all-nba teams. Jrue has made more then all 3 combined. We have plenty of depth. You can replace Allen with the MLE with someone like baynes who is anice contract to jordan as he can stretch the floor a bit and give us some bulk inside.

Jrue replaces levert as he is much better then levert in every apsect of basketball.

We still would have Prince, Temple, Kurucs, TLC + MLE coming off the bench and we would upgrade to the leagues best starting 5

Also, the idea that the league is going big is absurd. it has trended smaller for a decade. many teams dont even use a center.

Levert could certainly make an All Star team, Zach Lowe and Bill Simmons even said he could be an All Star on a pod.

And Holiday hasn't made an All Star team in 7 years. He's not an All Star. Hes just a high level role player.

That bench you just referred to sounds absolutely terrible. I'd rather have Levert + Dinwiddie. Whos our scorer off the bench? Taurean Prince. No thanks.

League has changed. League went small cause of the Warriors. Now the Lakers are dominating with AD.

[DarkXaero]

OK yall:

What is Jrue Holiday is shooting on wide open looks from three?

To me, on a roster where we will have elite floor spacing in KD/Kyrie/Harris on the floor at the same time, that's the only metric that matters and there's too much noise in this thread. If he's shooting a good, above average % on those looks, that's what matters.

The Athletic is currently doing a top 125 NBA players ranking project, and they're using advanced stats among other factors to make their list. This is their breakdown of Jrue Holiday:

Jrue Holiday: For my money, the most underrated player in the NBA. Every time I have done this or a similar exercise over the last few years, Holiday jumps out as a production monster.

The phrase “two-way player” gets thrown around a lot, but to the extent it has any meaning, Holiday has to be one of the best examples in the league today. According to NBA.com’s matchup data, most players with big scoring loads tend to find ways to “hide” on less threatening opponents. Holiday is perhaps the largest exceptions to that trend:



Holiday consistently rates as one of the best defensive guards in the league by a number of metrics, sitting 12th overall and second among guards, behind only Alex Caruso(!!), who has played significantly fewer minutes. The metrics align with the opinions of his peers, who have noted his ability to guard everyone from Curry to Durant competitively. He just missed joining the “2/2 club” for players with both steal and block rates above two percent in a season, a group in which he would be the smallest player by a decent distance.

However, focusing just on his defense sells his game short, as he is a capable, if not overly explosive, scorer who can operate at all three levels. He is also a solid playmaker, ranking 45th (out of 405) in playmaking usage this past season. From an impact standpoint, he actually grades out slightly better on offense than on defense, resulting in his placing 4th in 3-year RAPM.

So why isn’t he even higher than Tier 3A? It’s an accumulation of small reasons:

He’s a little turnover prone.
He’s just okay as a 3-point shooter, hitting his open shots at about league average rates but slightly below average on more contested attempts.
His topline production numbers are based on mammoth minute loads, which serve to exaggerate his per-minute impact slightly.
Most importantly, if he were a Tier 2 level player, a team with him and Anthony Davis should have been better than only making the playoffs two out of six years.
But there is still a reason that seemingly every time a contender is rumored to be on the market for a star upgrade in the backcourt, Holiday’s name comes up early in the conversation.

Their rankings so far:

[vincecarter4pres]

All of this wrong lol

4-6 feet is not considered “wide open”.

Not all of this is wrong, but I did mess up the data, it was totally unintentional, I just wrote it out wrong after talking about it over and over.

4-6' is 32%
6'+ is 40%+

Combined is about 37% on anything outside 4'.

That is for this year.

But the last 3 years it's all similar.

So my averages are correct, as are my 6'+, but I was way off on 4-6'. Instead of 37% on 4-6' I should have had 32%.

A chart is your friend.

For example:

Holiday 3 point percentage on Open Shots (closest defender within 4-6 feet):

2019-2020 - 32% on 2.5 attempts
2018-2019 - 30.3% on 2.1 attempts
2017-2018 - 31.3% on 1.6 attempts

You're really good at copy paste.

Simple way to say it, open three's aren't always wide open three's, but all wide open three's are always open three's.

You're just repeating over and over that Holiday is meh when open, but ignore he's good when wide open and that these looks should be combined and averaged to paint the full picture, as well as looked at separately.

We see tons of wide open 3's over the course of games, playoff and regular season, especially on teams with multiple players who require double teaming and have good ball movement, movement off the ball and shooters to execute on the spacing. Holiday is already seeing 3 wide open looks a game on average teams the last 3 years and 2 to 3 open looks. You put him on a team like this, he's probably going to see 1-2 good looks and 4-5 wide open looks.

You're getting way too obsessed over this and ignoring the fact, even if we're talking lesser skilled players, outside of a handful of 3&D stud snipers, who include the likes of guys like Klay Thompson, Kevin Durant, Khris Middleton and a few others, there aren't really many of these guys in the league. Period. And even fewer who are potentially available in trade. A lot of the 3&D guys aren't nearly as much 3 as you'd expect and most of the elite defenders are all D, little 3. Jrue does the D at an elite level, the 3 at nearly equal and at times better than a lot of the 3&D label guys, and is also an excellent all around player who can run an offense and play off ball.

[Prokorov]

Levert could certainly make an All Star team, Zach Lowe and Bill Simmons even said he could be an All Star on a pod.

Levert will never be an all-star. he simply isnt good enough, isnt consistent enough, and isnt durable enough. Hell even legit all-stars like beal struggle now that the all-star selections are positionless.

what bill simmons says about an 8 game sample in the bubble is completely irrelevant to what levert does over 30-40 pre-allstar break games in the regular season. Levert is one of the most inefficient players in the entire league. he scores because of huge volume/usage. he is an avg or worse shooter who is poor at the rim.

League has changed. League went small cause of the Warriors. Now the Lakers are dominating with AD.

the lakers are one of the very few teams who go big, and if you look at the WCF and finals they played small more often then big. McGee/Dwight didnt see much time the last 2 rounds. meanwhile Boston/Tor/Mia all went small the majority of the playoffs

[DarkXaero]

Not all of this is wrong, but I did mess up the data, it was totally unintentional, I just wrote it out wrong after talking about it over and over.

4-6' is 32%
6'+ is 40%+

Combined is about 37% on anything outside 4'.

That is for this year.

But the last 3 years it's all similar.

So my averages are correct, as are my 6'+, but I was way off on 4-6'. Instead of 37% on 4-6' I should have had 32%.

A chart is your friend.

For example:

Holiday 3 point percentage on Open Shots (closest defender within 4-6 feet):

2019-2020 - 32% on 2.5 attempts
2018-2019 - 30.3% on 2.1 attempts
2017-2018 - 31.3% on 1.6 attempts

You're really good at copy paste.

Simple way to say it, open three's aren't always wide open three's, but all wide open three's are always open three's.

You're just repeating over and over that Holiday is meh when open, but ignore he's good when wide open and that these looks should be combined and averaged to paint the full picture, as well as looked at separately.

We see tons of wide open 3's over the course of games, playoff and regular season, especially on teams with multiple players who require double teaming and have good ball movement, movement off the ball and shooters to execute on the spacing. Holiday is already seeing 3 wide open looks a game on average teams the last 3 years and 2 to 3 open looks. You put him on a team like this, he's probably going to see 1-2 good looks and 4-5 wide open looks.

You're getting way too obsessed over this and ignoring the fact, even if we're talking lesser skilled players, outside of a handful of 3&D stud snipers, who include the likes of guys like Klay Thompson, Kevin Durant, Khris Middleton and a few others, there aren't really many of these guys in the league. Period. And even fewer who are potentially available in trade. A lot of the 3&D guys aren't nearly as much 3 as you'd expect and most of the elite defenders are all D, little 3. Jrue does the D at an elite level, the 3 at nearly equal and at times better than a lot of the 3&D label guys, and is also an excellent all around player who can run an offense and play off ball.

Its the same usual anti-Jrue Holiday agenda from the same two posters, I would just ignore them at this point. Hello Brooklyn had all of GB arguing against him in the "Nets moves" thread, but he still refuses to concede that he might be wrong. And you've given an excellent breakdown of how 7footmonster's arguments work. There's no point arguing with these two.

[vincecarter4pres]

Dinwiddie/Levert/Allen are not at all replaceable. They are all great young pieces which give us depth and versatility.


Worth more than one player who isn't even an All Star.

The league is going big and you want to go smaller.

None of dinwiddie/allen/levert are great. they have combined to make 0 all-star teams and 0 all-nba teams. Jrue has made more then all 3 combined. We have plenty of depth. You can replace Allen with the MLE with someone like baynes who is anice contract to jordan as he can stretch the floor a bit and give us some bulk inside.

Jrue replaces levert as he is much better then levert in every apsect of basketball.

We still would have Prince, Temple, Kurucs, TLC + MLE coming off the bench and we would upgrade to the leagues best starting 5

Also, the idea that the league is going big is absurd. it has trended smaller for a decade. many teams dont even use a center.

Levert could certainly make an All Star team, Zach Lowe and Bill Simmons even said he could be an All Star on a pod.

And Holiday hasn't made an All Star team in 7 years. He's not an All Star. Hes just a high level role player.

That bench you just referred to sounds absolutely terrible. I'd rather have Levert + Dinwiddie. Whos our scorer off the bench? Taurean Prince. No thanks.

League has changed. League went small cause of the Warriors. Now the Lakers are dominating with AD.

Honestly, All Star nominations is one of the stupidest arguments available for any player period. It's a popularity contest and then the reserves are chosen because their teams are winning and must have All Stars from winning teams...

Beal missed last year. Seriously? a 30/6/5 guy wasn't an All Star?

Conley never made one.

Rod Strickland, Kukoc, Bibby, Sabonis for Christ sake's!

How many players got snubbed recently to accommodate for teams like the Pacers or the Hawks of 6 to 10 years ago, who were better than the sum of their parts?

Players out west who should have made multiple appearances but forwards were so deep out there.

Again, it's a popularity contest for the most part.

[Hello Brooklyn]

None of dinwiddie/allen/levert are great. they have combined to make 0 all-star teams and 0 all-nba teams. Jrue has made more then all 3 combined. We have plenty of depth. You can replace Allen with the MLE with someone like baynes who is anice contract to jordan as he can stretch the floor a bit and give us some bulk inside.

Jrue replaces levert as he is much better then levert in every apsect of basketball.

We still would have Prince, Temple, Kurucs, TLC + MLE coming off the bench and we would upgrade to the leagues best starting 5

Also, the idea that the league is going big is absurd. it has trended smaller for a decade. many teams dont even use a center.

Levert could certainly make an All Star team, Zach Lowe and Bill Simmons even said he could be an All Star on a pod.

And Holiday hasn't made an All Star team in 7 years. He's not an All Star. Hes just a high level role player.

That bench you just referred to sounds absolutely terrible. I'd rather have Levert + Dinwiddie. Whos our scorer off the bench? Taurean Prince. No thanks.

League has changed. League went small cause of the Warriors. Now the Lakers are dominating with AD.

Honestly, All Star nominations is one of the stupidest arguments available for any player period. It's a popularity contest and then the reserves are chosen because their teams are winning and must have All Stars from winning teams...

Beal missed last year. Seriously? a 30/6/5 guy wasn't an All Star?

Conley never made one.

Rod Strickland, Kukoc, Bibby, Sabonis for Christ sake's!

How many players got snubbed recently to accommodate for teams like the Pacers or the Hawks of 6 to 10 years ago, who were better than the sum of their parts?

Players out west who should have made multiple appearances but forwards were so deep out there.

Again, it's a popularity contest for the most part.

I agree with you in certain cases.

But do you really think Holiday was being snubbed? I certainly don't think he should have been an All Star these past 7 years. He wasn't good enough.

He played with Anthony Davis and they couldn't even make the playoffs consistently.

Hes a very good player. But hes not the type of guy I think its worth investing big money into and giving up our assets for.

If we were to go that route I would hope we could get a true star like George or Beal for example. Even then, I think the three star model is overrated.

[Claud]

I'd take Dinwiddie or LeVert over Holiday easily.

Trading both for him would be disastrous. We'd remove one of our main strengths as a team which is having 4 legit guys that can create and make things happen at a very high level. Guys like Dinwiddie and LeVert will CERTAINLY have to elevate their games on the defensive end once KD/Kyrie are back on the floor since they'd have to do less on offense and can focus more on defense.

Jrue is a really good role player, but if we're trading our guys let's at least make it worth it. I'd take Beal or PG easily over Holiday too.

[DarkXaero]

I'd take Dinwiddie or LeVert over Holiday easily.

Trading both for him would be disastrous. We'd remove one of our main strengths as a team which is having 4 legit guys that can create and make things happen at a very high level. Guys like Dinwiddie and LeVert will CERTAINLY have to elevate their games on the defensive end once KD/Kyrie are back on the floor since they'd have to do less on offense and can focus more on defense.

Jrue is a really good role player, but if we're trading our guys let's at least make it worth it. I'd take Beal or PG easily over Holiday too.

I agree that trading both for him would be disastrous but you're insane if you're taking ONE of them over Jrue in our situation (win now). Jrue is overall easily better than either player, and I say this as someone who values them. Stats indicate that Jrue's impact isn't that of a "role player" at all, its very much all star level impact. Beal, and PG are better but they would also cost a lot more, and are much harder to trade for.

[MrDollarBills]

This.

If we’re defining wide open 3’s as 4-6 feet open, he’s around 37%.

If we’re talking 6’+, he’s over 40%. This is on almost 3 attempts per game. This is also for last year.

Averaging out the last 3 years he’s about 36% on everything 4-6’, maybe 38 and change from 6’ and beyond of defenders.

So he's hitting open threes at an excellent clip, and we will be bringing him onto a team that will see plenty of open looks based on the fact that defenses will be pissing their pants over KD and Kyrie. We need threes and defense from our starting SG. Sounds like he's the guy.

I think the solution is clear here. If NO is willing to engage, we should consider it. I vastly disagree on the notion that we will have to pay Jrue max dollars to stay here.

How much did DLo and Kemba just get?

That was pre pandemic. I don't expect anyone to be getting anywhere near what those two got until revenue levels return to normal.

Also, Kemba is better than Jrue, and DLo was being paid on potential/age. I doubt Holiday gets anywhere near north of 20 mil.

[Hello Brooklyn]

I'd take Dinwiddie or LeVert over Holiday easily.

Trading both for him would be disastrous. We'd remove one of our main strengths as a team which is having 4 legit guys that can create and make things happen at a very high level. Guys like Dinwiddie and LeVert will CERTAINLY have to elevate their games on the defensive end once KD/Kyrie are back on the floor since they'd have to do less on offense and can focus more on defense.

Jrue is a really good role player, but if we're trading our guys let's at least make it worth it. I'd take Beal or PG easily over Holiday too.

I agree that trading both for him would be disastrous but you're insane if you're taking ONE of them over Jrue in our situation (win now). Jrue is overall easily better than either player, and I say this as someone who values them. Stats indicate that Jrue's impact isn't that of a "role player" at all, its very much all star level impact. Beal, and PG are better but they would also cost a lot more, and are much harder to trade for.

I don't think Holiday would be capable of what Levert did in the bubble offensively. Look at how poorly the Pelicans did if you need proof. And Levert had a far worse supporting cast.

Levert could end up being as good as Holiday, younger and on a better contract.

I would just add defensive pieces through draft/MLE/smaller trade rather than giving up Dinwiddie or Levert. They both have good relationships with KD/Kyrie and really want to be here.

[MrDollarBills]

OK yall:

What is Jrue Holiday is shooting on wide open looks from three?

To me, on a roster where we will have elite floor spacing in KD/Kyrie/Harris on the floor at the same time, that's the only metric that matters and there's too much noise in this thread. If he's shooting a good, above average % on those looks, that's what matters.

The NBA describes it as closest defender is within:

2-4 feet = tight
4-6 feet = open
6+ feet = wide open

Jrue Holiday on OPEN shots (No defender within 4-6 feet):

2019-2020 - 32% on 2.5 attempts
2018-2019 - 30.3% on 2.1 attempts
2017-2018 - 31.3% on 1.6 attempts

You’re not getting wide open shots in the playoffs especially in the half court in the last 5 minutes of a close when teams have AD, LeBron, Kawhi, and PG, to guard KD and Kyrie.

Where is everyone getting their data from? All I'm seeing in this thread is conflicting numbers.

[MrDollarBills]

Levert could certainly make an All Star team, Zach Lowe and Bill Simmons even said he could be an All Star on a pod.

Levert will never be an all-star. he simply isnt good enough, isnt consistent enough, and isnt durable enough. Hell even legit all-stars like beal struggle now that the all-star selections are positionless.

what bill simmons says about an 8 game sample in the bubble is completely irrelevant to what levert does over 30-40 pre-allstar break games in the regular season. Levert is one of the most inefficient players in the entire league. he scores because of huge volume/usage. he is an avg or worse shooter who is poor at the rim.

League has changed. League went small cause of the Warriors. Now the Lakers are dominating with AD.

the lakers are one of the very few teams who go big, and if you look at the WCF and finals they played small more often then big. McGee/Dwight didnt see much time the last 2 rounds. meanwhile Boston/Tor/Mia all went small the majority of the playoffs

Technically, were the Lakers really small though? Davis and Lebron are big ass dudes man

[ecuhus1981]

Their rankings so far:

This is important, thanks for sharing.

They are fair to Jrue, I think. #25 is about right to him, and if we can add him for only 1 of CLV or Spence, we improve ourselves immensely. It may take Jarrett as well, but we can luck into a high-quality MLE signing at the 5, or just roll with DJ/Nic/KD/Rodi there.

[DarkXaero]

I'd take Dinwiddie or LeVert over Holiday easily.

Trading both for him would be disastrous. We'd remove one of our main strengths as a team which is having 4 legit guys that can create and make things happen at a very high level. Guys like Dinwiddie and LeVert will CERTAINLY have to elevate their games on the defensive end once KD/Kyrie are back on the floor since they'd have to do less on offense and can focus more on defense.

Jrue is a really good role player, but if we're trading our guys let's at least make it worth it. I'd take Beal or PG easily over Holiday too.

I agree that trading both for him would be disastrous but you're insane if you're taking ONE of them over Jrue in our situation (win now). Jrue is overall easily better than either player, and I say this as someone who values them. Stats indicate that Jrue's impact isn't that of a "role player" at all, its very much all star level impact. Beal, and PG are better but they would also cost a lot more, and are much harder to trade for.

I don't think Holiday would be capable of what Levert did in the bubble offensively. Look at how poorly the Pelicans did if you need proof. And Levert had a far worse supporting cast.

Levert could end up being as good as Holiday, younger and on a better contract.

I would just add defensive pieces through draft/MLE/smaller trade rather than giving up Dinwiddie or Levert. They both have good relationships with KD/Kyrie and really want to be here.

Even if that is true, it still doesn't apply to our situation. We need complementary guys next to KD & Kyrie, not someone who only really excels as the main man on the team. I'm giving up either Dinwiddie or Levert for Jrue, in a heartbeat, Jrue is exactly what we need. But again, this argument has been beaten to death in this thread, and I'm not sure if there's anything else left to be said, since you clearly have a one track mind regarding this.

[DarkXaero]

OK yall:

What is Jrue Holiday is shooting on wide open looks from three?

To me, on a roster where we will have elite floor spacing in KD/Kyrie/Harris on the floor at the same time, that's the only metric that matters and there's too much noise in this thread. If he's shooting a good, above average % on those looks, that's what matters.

The NBA describes it as closest defender is within:

2-4 feet = tight
4-6 feet = open
6+ feet = wide open

Jrue Holiday on OPEN shots (No defender within 4-6 feet):

2019-2020 - 32% on 2.5 attempts
2018-2019 - 30.3% on 2.1 attempts
2017-2018 - 31.3% on 1.6 attempts

You’re not getting wide open shots in the playoffs especially in the half court in the last 5 minutes of a close when teams have AD, LeBron, Kawhi, and PG, to guard KD and Kyrie.

Where is everyone getting their data from? All I'm seeing in this thread is conflicting numbers.

One poster has an agenda, others don't, you can look at what VC4P has said regarding this matter, and it's spot on.