Trade Thread (TRADE WARS EPISODE V: The Empire Strikes Back)

[jason bourne]

“The trade there is pretty simple,” Windhorst said. “Andrew Wiggins is involved from a salary standpoint. And then it would be the No. 2 pick in this year’s draft, the (Minnesota) Timberwolves pick next year, and then I also included Minnesota’s second-round pick next year — which I anticipate to be a very good selection.”

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There is another deal from SI if Ws are willing to trade both the #2 and Minny's 2021 dps and they rather not take Beal:

Idea III: Wiggins, the No. 2 pick and the 2021 Minnesota pick to Indiana for Myles Turner and T.J. Warren

https://www.si.com/nba/2020/10/20/warriors-nba-draft-trade-ideas

ETA: I'd do either if the Ws can keep the 2021 pick.

[SF_Warriors]

“The trade there is pretty simple,” Windhorst said. “Andrew Wiggins is involved from a salary standpoint. And then it would be the No. 2 pick in this year’s draft, the (Minnesota) Timberwolves pick next year, and then I also included Minnesota’s second-round pick next year — which I anticipate to be a very good selection.”

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There is another deal from SI if Ws are willing to trade both the #2 and Minny's 2021 dps and they rather not take Beal:

Idea III: Wiggins, the No. 2 pick and the 2021 Minnesota pick to Indiana for Myles Turner and T.J. Warren

https://www.si.com/nba/2020/10/20/warriors-nba-draft-trade-ideas

ETA: I'd do either if the Ws can keep the 2021 pick.

I like beal but does WAS really want the #2 in this draft for beal and then have to take on wiggins contract as well? I guess the minny pick is the one that tips the scales.

[jason bourne]

“The trade there is pretty simple,” Windhorst said. “Andrew Wiggins is involved from a salary standpoint. And then it would be the No. 2 pick in this year’s draft, the (Minnesota) Timberwolves pick next year, and then I also included Minnesota’s second-round pick next year — which I anticipate to be a very good selection.”

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There is another deal from SI if Ws are willing to trade both the #2 and Minny's 2021 dps and they rather not take Beal:

Idea III: Wiggins, the No. 2 pick and the 2021 Minnesota pick to Indiana for Myles Turner and T.J. Warren

https://www.si.com/nba/2020/10/20/warriors-nba-draft-trade-ideas

ETA: I'd do either if the Ws can keep the 2021 pick.

I like beal but does WAS really want the #2 in this draft for beal and then have to take on wiggins contract as well? I guess the minny pick is the one that tips the scales.

Beal has already said he wants to stay with Wizards and they want to keep him. TWolves want him, too. Anyway, it seems like a good thing they have the #1 pick as they are fielding trade offers on the GB which do not sound great.

Likely, the TWolves and Warriors keep their pick. TWolves grab LaMelo or Edwards and Ws grab who's left or Wiseman.

Wiseman will likely turn into another Damian Jones instead of Myles Turner. I'd settle for DAJ if the Ws take him at #2.

"Projected: Top three

Boom comparison: Myles Turner

Bust comparison: Damian Jones

Despite playing just three games at Memphis, James Wiseman figures to be one of the first prospects drafted in 2020. His 7'1", 240-pound frame, 7'6" wingspan and athleticism create the perception of upside that someone is bound to bite on in the top three.

But a lower skill level and questionable feel raise questions about Wiseman's chances of maximizing his potential. Justifying top-of-the-draft value will require fairly significant improvement in his shooting, passing and general shot-creation.

He's a bust candidate based on where he's projected to go and how far he'll have to come fundamentally.

However, he has flashed glimpses of touch, back-to-the-basket moves, the ability to hit step-back jumpers and solid rim protection. And if he can tighten up each area over the next several years, there won't be many bigs who can match his tools, bounce, shot release point and physical advantage on defense.

We could either be looking at an inside-out scoring center, double-double machine and defensive anchor, like Myles Turner, or just another rim runner and lob target with shot-blocking numbers, like Damian Jones, who still holds NBA value, but not the kind a team will want in an early lottery pick."

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2869572-2020-nba-draft-boom-or-bust-prospects-to-watch-at-every-position

[SF_Warriors]

There is another deal from SI if Ws are willing to trade both the #2 and Minny's 2021 dps and they rather not take Beal:

Idea III: Wiggins, the No. 2 pick and the 2021 Minnesota pick to Indiana for Myles Turner and T.J. Warren

https://www.si.com/nba/2020/10/20/warriors-nba-draft-trade-ideas

ETA: I'd do either if the Ws can keep the 2021 pick.

I like beal but does WAS really want the #2 in this draft for beal and then have to take on wiggins contract as well? I guess the minny pick is the one that tips the scales.

Beal has already said he wants to stay with Wizards and they want to keep him. TWolves want him, too. Anyway, it seems like a good thing they have the #1 pick as they are fielding trade offers on the GB which do not sound great.

Likely, the TWolves and Warriors keep their pick. TWolves grab LaMelo or Edwards and Ws grab who's left or Wiseman.

Wiseman will likely turn into another Damian Jones instead of Myles Turner. I'd settle for DAJ if the Ws take him at #2.

"Projected: Top three

Boom comparison: Myles Turner

Bust comparison: Damian Jones

Despite playing just three games at Memphis, James Wiseman figures to be one of the first prospects drafted in 2020. His 7'1", 240-pound frame, 7'6" wingspan and athleticism create the perception of upside that someone is bound to bite on in the top three.

But a lower skill level and questionable feel raise questions about Wiseman's chances of maximizing his potential. Justifying top-of-the-draft value will require fairly significant improvement in his shooting, passing and general shot-creation.

He's a bust candidate based on where he's projected to go and how far he'll have to come fundamentally.

However, he has flashed glimpses of touch, back-to-the-basket moves, the ability to hit step-back jumpers and solid rim protection. And if he can tighten up each area over the next several years, there won't be many bigs who can match his tools, bounce, shot release point and physical advantage on defense.

We could either be looking at an inside-out scoring center, double-double machine and defensive anchor, like Myles Turner, or just another rim runner and lob target with shot-blocking numbers, like Damian Jones, who still holds NBA value, but not the kind a team will want in an early lottery pick."

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2869572-2020-nba-draft-boom-or-bust-prospects-to-watch-at-every-position

If wiseman is damian jones the warriors should not pick him. I can definitely see Minny make a play for beal with the #1 though.

[jason bourne]

I like beal but does WAS really want the #2 in this draft for beal and then have to take on wiggins contract as well? I guess the minny pick is the one that tips the scales.

Beal has already said he wants to stay with Wizards and they want to keep him. TWolves want him, too. Anyway, it seems like a good thing they have the #1 pick as they are fielding trade offers on the GB which do not sound great.

Likely, the TWolves and Warriors keep their pick. TWolves grab LaMelo or Edwards and Ws grab who's left or Wiseman.

Wiseman will likely turn into another Damian Jones instead of Myles Turner. I'd settle for DAJ if the Ws take him at #2.

"Projected: Top three

Boom comparison: Myles Turner

Bust comparison: Damian Jones

Despite playing just three games at Memphis, James Wiseman figures to be one of the first prospects drafted in 2020. His 7'1", 240-pound frame, 7'6" wingspan and athleticism create the perception of upside that someone is bound to bite on in the top three.

But a lower skill level and questionable feel raise questions about Wiseman's chances of maximizing his potential. Justifying top-of-the-draft value will require fairly significant improvement in his shooting, passing and general shot-creation.

He's a bust candidate based on where he's projected to go and how far he'll have to come fundamentally.

However, he has flashed glimpses of touch, back-to-the-basket moves, the ability to hit step-back jumpers and solid rim protection. And if he can tighten up each area over the next several years, there won't be many bigs who can match his tools, bounce, shot release point and physical advantage on defense.

We could either be looking at an inside-out scoring center, double-double machine and defensive anchor, like Myles Turner, or just another rim runner and lob target with shot-blocking numbers, like Damian Jones, who still holds NBA value, but not the kind a team will want in an early lottery pick."

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2869572-2020-nba-draft-boom-or-bust-prospects-to-watch-at-every-position

If wiseman is damian jones the warriors should not pick him. I can definitely see Minny make a play for beal with the #1 though.

Wiseman could be Myles Turner, DAJ (same measurements) with more upside, Hassan Whiteside, or Damian Jones. He's a mystery because of small sample size.

I think if the TWolves take Anthony Edwards (quickest first step in the draft), then the Ws take LaMelo as he could step in and play backup PG like Shaun Livingston. Of course, they could roll the dice and take Wiseman, but big men take longer to develop. He'll be relegated to backup C for two to three years. Wiseman would practically have to be the sure thing for the Ws to draft him at #2.

[SF_Warriors]

Beal has already said he wants to stay with Wizards and they want to keep him. TWolves want him, too. Anyway, it seems like a good thing they have the #1 pick as they are fielding trade offers on the GB which do not sound great.

Likely, the TWolves and Warriors keep their pick. TWolves grab LaMelo or Edwards and Ws grab who's left or Wiseman.

Wiseman will likely turn into another Damian Jones instead of Myles Turner. I'd settle for DAJ if the Ws take him at #2.

"Projected: Top three

Boom comparison: Myles Turner

Bust comparison: Damian Jones

Despite playing just three games at Memphis, James Wiseman figures to be one of the first prospects drafted in 2020. His 7'1", 240-pound frame, 7'6" wingspan and athleticism create the perception of upside that someone is bound to bite on in the top three.

But a lower skill level and questionable feel raise questions about Wiseman's chances of maximizing his potential. Justifying top-of-the-draft value will require fairly significant improvement in his shooting, passing and general shot-creation.

He's a bust candidate based on where he's projected to go and how far he'll have to come fundamentally.

However, he has flashed glimpses of touch, back-to-the-basket moves, the ability to hit step-back jumpers and solid rim protection. And if he can tighten up each area over the next several years, there won't be many bigs who can match his tools, bounce, shot release point and physical advantage on defense.

We could either be looking at an inside-out scoring center, double-double machine and defensive anchor, like Myles Turner, or just another rim runner and lob target with shot-blocking numbers, like Damian Jones, who still holds NBA value, but not the kind a team will want in an early lottery pick."

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2869572-2020-nba-draft-boom-or-bust-prospects-to-watch-at-every-position

If wiseman is damian jones the warriors should not pick him. I can definitely see Minny make a play for beal with the #1 though.

Wiseman could be Myles Turner, DAJ (same measurements) with more upside, Hassan Whiteside, or Damian Jones. He's a mystery because of small sample size.

I think if the TWolves take Anthony Edwards (quickest first step in the draft), then the Ws take LaMelo as he could step in and play backup PG like Shaun Livingston. Of course, they could roll the dice and take Wiseman, but big men take longer to develop. He'll be relegated to backup C for two to three years. Wiseman would practically have to be the sure thing for the Ws to draft him at #2.

That's why I hope our scouts and GM are able to bring these guys in for workouts and make the proper assessments. Any competent FO should be able to tell the difference between a myles turner and damian jones

[HiRez]

Idea III: Wiggins, the No. 2 pick and the 2021 Minnesota pick to Indiana for Myles Turner and T.J. Warren

I think that's giving up to much for 2 decent but not great players. If I'm giving up Wiggins and both picks, I want a at least near superstar level player coming back, ie. Giannis, Simmons, Embiid, Siakam, maybe Beal. A top 20 league guy. Turner and Warren are probably more like top 40-100 range. Otherwise, I'd rather just roll with the picks and Wiggs.

[fox2jk]

There are a billions posts in this thread and I didn't read a single one but i wanted to drop this idea...

TJ Warren and Myles Turner for Wiggins and the second.

Not sure what to make of that?

and now I just looked up and someone quoted the exact same trade.... Sir you are a genius.

So i second this trade idea...

[Mylie10]

There are a billions posts in this thread and I didn't read a single one but i wanted to drop this idea...

TJ Warren and Myles Turner for Wiggins and the second.

Not sure what to make of that?

and now I just looked up and someone quoted the exact same trade.... Sir you are a genius.

So i second this trade idea...

It’s been debated as nauseam

[JSML]

This idea is like Inception. I can't get it out of my head after I thought of it.

What if the Warriors traded Wiggins for Harrison Barnes? They're both overpriced contracts with the same amount of years left. Even though Sacramento is trying to shed money, there might be some enticements that would work like next year GS # 1 pick plus cash.

I hesitate to do GS#2 for Sacramento#12 since we will need more than Barnes. Barnes is bigger and can defend PF's. He's also part of the 73 win team. Can't be that bad, right?

[fox2jk]

There are a billions posts in this thread and I didn't read a single one but i wanted to drop this idea...

TJ Warren and Myles Turner for Wiggins and the second.

Not sure what to make of that?

and now I just looked up and someone quoted the exact same trade.... Sir you are a genius.

So i second this trade idea...

It’s been debated as nauseam

I also believe the Pacers would have to swap their pick. Then its perfect.

[Warriors Analyst]

This idea is like Inception. I can't get it out of my head after I thought of it.

What if the Warriors traded Wiggins for Harrison Barnes? They're both overpriced contracts with the same amount of years left. Even though Sacramento is trying to shed money, there might be some enticements that would work like next year GS # 1 pick plus cash.

I hesitate to do GS#2 for Sacramento#12 since we will need more than Barnes. Barnes is bigger and can defend PF's. He's also part of the 73 win team. Can't be that bad, right?

No. Barnes overlaps with Green and Paschall at the 4, which is the only position where Barnes provides any positive value. I'm not wild about Wiggins, but he fills a greater need with his ability to chase around point guards, which Barnes could never do, as well as his ability to get to the hoop and pass the ball. Barnes has 0 shot creation ability and his game has barely improved since he left. Barnes doesn't change our ceiling.

[Coxy]

Wiseman will likely turn into another Damian Jones instead of Myles Turner.

You literally have no idea what he'll turn out to be, stop it dude you are an embarassment.

[jason bourne]

Wiseman will likely turn into another Damian Jones instead of Myles Turner.

You literally have no idea what he'll turn out to be, stop it dude you are an embarassment.

You're taking what I said out of context which is disingenuous. Anyway, we know that most top of the draft picks will comprise of Superstars, All-Stars, and Busts. I placed him in this context as he has the least amount of college ball experience going for him. He didn't do well against a tough Oregon team and his team lost. Also, I posted the "bust" video which shows he's probably more like Damian Jones instead of Myles Turner. First, there is question about his motor. Second is his drive to become the best. Instead, he quit on his team when he faced hardship. He didn't even try to complete his season. There is more to the suspicion between he and Penny Hardaway, too. Why didn't he go to prep school his last year in HS like most highly sought recruits do? Why did he stay in Memphis HS and then decide to go to Univ of Memphis. This doesn't seem to be Wiseman's own decisions, but being influenced by Hardaway as he was able to become the head coach of Memphis without any prior experience.

There are a lot of question marks to Wiseman in regards to sleaze that people do not know about. It probably was more than the money being reported.

I hope the Warriors realize the moral character of this young man and toss his drafting into the trash can.

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[Coxy]

There are a lot of question marks to Wiseman in regards to sleaze that people do not know about.

Do you listen to yourself? In regards to sleaze? The kid got courted by an NBA legend that was investing in the kid to make it big. You think James Wiseman is the 1st young athletic star to be given money to help them along, which in turn is an investment in the kid? You didn't see Lebron James driving around in a yellow hummer at 16 years old?

That video is just some random dudes thoughts. He doesn't know James, or Anfernee, and is throwing his poop at a wall in hope it sticks. Quite ironic though, because the video he put together was to rubbish Wiseman, which you happily lapped up, but he yammers on about Wiseman being "nothing more than a taller Giannis". .

You'll believe anything.

[jason bourne]

Do you listen to yourself? In regards to sleaze? The kid got courted by an NBA legend that was investing in the kid to make it big. You think James Wiseman is the 1st young athletic star to be given money to help them along, which in turn is an investment in the kid? You didn't see Lebron James driving around in a yellow hummer at 16 years old?

That video is just some random dudes thoughts. He doesn't know James, or Anfernee, and is throwing his poop at a wall in hope it sticks. Quite ironic though, because the video he put together was to rubbish Wiseman, which you happily lapped up, but he yammers on about Wiseman being "nothing more than a taller Giannis". .

You'll believe anything.

I don't think it's I who believes anything. It's you and the Wiseman d*ck suckers. You guys should know big men take longest to develop.

Everything I've said has been true for the most part. What Wiseman was caught up in does sound sleazy. If Wiseman was what you think he is, then he wouldn't have quit on his team and played the season out after coming back from suspension. That would show he's got character and was trying to clear up his name. Instead, he gives an excuse that he can't pay back the money. He took the easy way out. I'm sure he would've gotten help in getting a job to do that.

Anyway, I've looked at the other two consensus picks and made my selections if the Ws keep their pick. The third one will probably be a BUST. Ideally, it would be nice for the Ws to trade down and get a vet and a pick, but I doubt other teams will give up much. Maybe the Knicks would give up Mitchell Robinson for the #2 pick if LaMelo is there. The Ws could hold out and get their #27 pick, too. That isn't too bad.

[Coxy]

Do you listen to yourself? In regards to sleaze? The kid got courted by an NBA legend that was investing in the kid to make it big. You think James Wiseman is the 1st young athletic star to be given money to help them along, which in turn is an investment in the kid? You didn't see Lebron James driving around in a yellow hummer at 16 years old?

That video is just some random dudes thoughts. He doesn't know James, or Anfernee, and is throwing his poop at a wall in hope it sticks. Quite ironic though, because the video he put together was to rubbish Wiseman, which you happily lapped up, but he yammers on about Wiseman being "nothing more than a taller Giannis". .

You'll believe anything.

I don't think it's I who believes anything. It's you and the Wiseman d*ck suckers. Everything I've said has been true for the most part. What Wiseman was caught up in does sound sleazy. If Wiseman was what you think he is, then he wouldn't have quit on his team and played the season out after coming back from suspension. That shows he's got character and was trying to clear up his name. Instead, he gives an excuse that he can't pay back the money. I'm sure he would've gotten help in getting a job to do that.

Anyway, I've looked at the other two consensus picks and made my selections. The third one will probably be a BUST. Ideally, it would be nice for the Ws to trade down and get a vet and a pick, but I doubt other teams will give up much. Maybe the Knicks would give up Mitchell Robinson for the #2 pick if LaMelo is there. The Ws could hold out and get their #27 pick, in addition. That isn't too bad.

Mitchell Robinson and the 27th pick for the number 2 pick overall.

Mmmmkay I'm done responding to your muck. Pretty sure your just a trolling bot or something now anyway.

[NYG]

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[ShayDee]

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Poole, Looney a #2 pick and another lottery pick for a player that cannot dribble, shoot, pass makes 27mllion, will not play crunch time minutes?

First of we are giving away 3 contributors for 1 that will play about 20 mins. second, we are giving away 2 lottery picks, 1 being the #2 pick for a player that we will not re-sign after 1 year and cannot shoot or create offense for himself.

If this goes through, How are we going to get depth? We will 100% not use the MLE and we already used the TPE. You think minimum level Backups will suffice? It might have worked for the Lakers but they have 2 top 6 players, and both players play crunch time minutes.

Bad deal for us. We will not in a million years give that much for Gobert. Highest is Wiggins + #2 but that in itself will cripple us at SF

The minny 1st is the most expensive asset that is currently in this league. We will not give it under any circumstance that doesn't involve a wing/More versatile all star player that will play Crunch time for us or an All NBA player that plays Wing or 3 positions from SF-C. We not taking guards

[basketballRob]

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