Trade Ideas Thread, 2020-21

[hugepatsfan]

Some primers:

1) Christian Wood and Danillo Gallinari both agree to 3 year, $44,721,600 deals with Boston contingent on S&T. That puts them each at year 1 salaries of $14M so $28M total. They tell their teams they're just leaving for elsewhere if they don't help get to Boston via S&T, so it's up to them to decide if it's worth facilitating the deal.

2) Dipo tells IND he's interested in saying but wants to see the team be more serious about trying to really put together a winner. So he's willing to consider but he's on the edge.

So here is the 4 team trade:

IND trades: G Jeremy Lamb, F TJ Leaf, F Doug McDerott, G TJ McConnell, C Goga Bitadze, G Aaron Holiday
IND gets: F Gordon Hayward

Their new coach comes from a system where they only played like 7 guys. This sets them up for similar by moving all their bench fodder to have a dominant top 6 of Brogden/Dipo/Hayward/Sabonis/Turner/Warren. They can re-sign Justin Holiday and use exceptions for depth. It's a luxury tax team but they're going to have to go into it next year to keep Dipo anyway. And if they don't go into it now they might not be able to keep Dipo so kind of a catch-22. If Dipo does walk, they can probably squeeze in a Hayward re-signing while staying under the tax since Lamb/Bitadze and Holiday are off the books.

BOS gives: F Gordon Hayward, C Robert Williams
BOS gets: Gallo & Wood via S&T

Turn Hayward into two front court starters. Williams is an intriguing prospect but getting back Wood and keeping Theis makes it ok to lose him. Added benefit here of shaving salary so they'll get below the tax another year. And with the 3 year deals for Gallo & Wood, they line up with Kemba. So we'll have max cap space 3 years from now and a super competitive core in the meantime.

DET gives: Wood
DET gets: G Jeremy Lamb, C Goga Bitadze, G Aaron Holiday

If Wood says he's got better options elsewhere they decide it's worth just taking Lamb to get two prospects if they'll lose him anyway. They need help at both center and PG so they take some talented fliers here.

OKC gives: Gallo
OKC gets: F TJ Leaf, F Doug McDermott, G TJ McConnell, C Robert Williams

They take back expiring salary to try and develop Robert Williams. McConnell and McDermott should be able to be flipped on their own as well I'd think.

[GoCeltics123]

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[ConstableGeneva]

Hayward (waives kicker), Poirier for Turner, Warren, and ALL tradeable Pacers unprotected 1sts from 2021 to 2026.

[Celts17Pride]

Could easily see a 3 team trade involving Bos/Ind/NY if Hayward really wants to go to Indiana. Boston gets Turner plus other considerations, New York gets Oladipo and Indy gets Hayward plus other considerations. A framework
something like that with other players and picks involved

[SmartWentCrazy]

I think Boston would look to get creative if dealing Hayward to Indy. Maybe try to make it part of a 3 way where Dipo goes to a third team and we get an asset and cap space to offer a full max or the freedom to take in a player upwards of 20M in a S&T

[Disinformation]

I think Boston would look to get creative if dealing Hayward to Indy. Maybe try to make it part of a 3 way where Dipo goes to a third team and we get an asset and cap space to offer a full max or the freedom to take in a player upwards of 20M in a S&T

I've seen the Knicks as a possible Oladipo destination because of the Leon Rose connection. What about something like:

Hayward to Indy

Oladipo, #14 and filler from Indy to NY

#8 and a 32 million dollar trade exception to Boston

[BK_2020]

I think Boston would look to get creative if dealing Hayward to Indy. Maybe try to make it part of a 3 way where Dipo goes to a third team and we get an asset and cap space to offer a full max or the freedom to take in a player upwards of 20M in a S&T

Considuring BOS needs to shed about 70 mil to offer a 30% max I don't think there's cap space to offer a full max no matter how creative they get.

[Darth Celtic]

I think Boston would look to get creative if dealing Hayward to Indy. Maybe try to make it part of a 3 way where Dipo goes to a third team and we get an asset and cap space to offer a full max or the freedom to take in a player upwards of 20M in a S&T

I've seen the Knicks as a possible Oladipo destination because of the Leon Rose connection. What about something like:

Hayward to Indy

Oladipo, #14 and filler from Indy to NY

#8 and a 32 million dollar trade exception to Boston

except Hayward won't be officially signed when those picks are made. As we have discussed, maybe Hayward is on board with it and opts in before the draft (not even sure that's allowed) and all teams agree on it which is probably only likely with the pacers, but it's very very unlikely. Smitty hasn't been saying this on twitter over and over again for no reason.

[Disinformation]

I think Boston would look to get creative if dealing Hayward to Indy. Maybe try to make it part of a 3 way where Dipo goes to a third team and we get an asset and cap space to offer a full max or the freedom to take in a player upwards of 20M in a S&T

I've seen the Knicks as a possible Oladipo destination because of the Leon Rose connection. What about something like:

Hayward to Indy

Oladipo, #14 and filler from Indy to NY

#8 and a 32 million dollar trade exception to Boston

except Hayward won't be officially signed when those picks are made. As we have discussed, maybe Hayward is on board with it and opts in before the draft (not even sure that's allowed) and all teams agree on it which is probably only likely with the pacers, but it's very very unlikely. Smitty hasn't been saying this on twitter over and over again for no reason.

Dude, come on. We've been over this. And Indy is the place that makes most sense for Hayward to agree to a opt in early.

[SmartWentCrazy]

Just straight for a trade exception. We then S&T for Gallo at 3/45M and sign a big for the 10M full MLE. Could make a lot of sense.

[SmartWentCrazy]

I've seen the Knicks as a possible Oladipo destination because of the Leon Rose connection. What about something like:

Hayward to Indy

Oladipo, #14 and filler from Indy to NY

#8 and a 32 million dollar trade exception to Boston

except Hayward won't be officially signed when those picks are made. As we have discussed, maybe Hayward is on board with it and opts in before the draft (not even sure that's allowed) and all teams agree on it which is probably only likely with the pacers, but it's very very unlikely. Smitty hasn't been saying this on twitter over and over again for no reason.

Dude, come on. We've been over this. And Indy is the place that makes most sense for Hayward to agree to a opt in early.

Hayward would 10,000% opt in to go to Indy.

[snowman]

Could easily see a 3 team trade involving Bos/Ind/NY if Hayward really wants to go to Indiana. Boston gets Turner plus other considerations, New York gets Oladipo and Indy gets Hayward plus other considerations. A framework
something like that with other players and picks involved

How us this for a try:

Indiana Pacers Trade Breakdown
Incoming
Gordon Hayward
Taj Gibson
Vincent Poirier
14th pick
27th pick

Outgoing Players
Victor Oladipo
Myles Turner

Boston Celtics Trade Breakdown

Incoming Players
Myles Turner
Wayne Ellington
Frank Ntilikina
8th pick

Outgoing Players
Gordon Hayward
Vincent Poirier
Carson Edwards
14th pick
30th pick

New York Knicks Trade Breakdown
Incoming Players
Victor Oladipo
Carsen Edwards
30th pick

Outgoing Players
Taj Gibson
Wayne Ellington
Frank Ntilikina
8th pick
27th pick

[djFan71]

Just straight for a trade exception. We then S&T for Gallo at 3/45M and sign a big for the 10M full MLE. Could make a lot of sense.

I'd look at Favors S&T too, if we don't end up with Turner.
Fournier into TPE.
MLEs.
Lots o' options.

[GregB]

Celtics Trade:

Gordon Hayward
Kemba Walker
Celtics 2020 1st Round Pick

Indiana trades:

Victor Oladipo
Myles Turner
Doug McDermott
TJ McConnell


Smart/Oladipo/Brown/Tatum/Turner

[Darth Celtic]

Celtics Trade:

Gordon Hayward
Kemba Walker
Celtics 2020 1st Round Pick

Indiana trades:

Victor Oladipo
Myles Turner
Doug McDermott
TJ McConnell


Smart/Oladipo/Brown/Tatum/Turner

Dipo is the worst health of all the players listed. He had an injury which unlike Gordon/Kemba is usually a career killer. His numbers last year were terrible and unlikely to improve. Turner is upgrade at center for us, but not as much as you think.

[SmartWentCrazy]

Just straight for a trade exception. We then S&T for Gallo at 3/45M and sign a big for the 10M full MLE. Could make a lot of sense.

I'd look at Favors S&T too, if we don't end up with Turner.
Fournier into TPE.
MLEs.
Lots o' options.

Would he get more than the full MLE? Think we could do both.

[leper-con]

HAs anyone proposed Brogdan and Warren for Hayward yet?

[djFan71]

Just straight for a trade exception. We then S&T for Gallo at 3/45M and sign a big for the 10M full MLE. Could make a lot of sense.

I'd look at Favors S&T too, if we don't end up with Turner.
Fournier into TPE.
MLEs.
Lots o' options.

Would he get more than the full MLE? Think we could do both.

Good question. I just assumed so, but maybe not. I was thinking Favors/Ibaka are top tier and could get more than full MLE.

Both Gallo/Favors as a Hayward replacement would be amazing next year, provided Gallo stays healthy. You still are looking at $25M+ in salary when Tatum's max hits, though, so tough choices. Might not be feasible to do both or you're looking at moving someone that would hurt. Or paying a boatload of tax $.

I'd actually prefer Fournier/Favors for that reason. Evan helps a bunch next year, then expires. Hopefully between Langford, 2020 picks you have a cheap replacement waiting in the wings. Ha!

[BK_2020]

Hayward and 26, 30, 46 to Indy
Semi and 14 to Utah.

Indy sends Dipo and Turner to Utah.

Utah sends Gobert and Royce O'Neal to BOS.

Kemba Jaylen Tatum O'Neal Gobert
Smart, Langford, Edwards, Theis

[ddb]

Guys just because Indy has expressed interest in trading for Hayward doesn’t mean Danny Ainge has any interest. The Celtics value what he brings and like the way Hayward compliments the roster. But with that said, I think there’s something to all of this, especially with the Hayward’s recently putting their San Diego home up for sale and buying a home in Indy. It’s almost like a deal has on the DL already been worked out and Hayward is aware of it. Seems like he is looking to Indy as the place to settle.

Doubtful Dipo ends up a Celtic. Doesn’t make sense to swap out Hayward for Dipo. Turner is overrated, although I think in a new situation could be better. I would think Danny/Pritch are exploring a 3rd team