Everyone forgets that Bosh and Ray Allen scored 0 Points in Game 7

[HypeMode]

Just remember that the next time someone tries to tell you the 2013 Heat was a superteam or that Ray Allen "bailed out" LeBron. Only 5 Heats players scored in that game. How can Chris Bosh be a superstar if he went scoreless in the biggest game of his life? He should be thankful LeBron hit one of the clutchest shots in history or else his HOF bid woulda gone up in smokes. The Heat had only 3 players show up that night (LeBron, Wade, and Battier) and somehow beat an all-time great squad.

[BK_2020]

Based Chris Andersen saving LeBron's legacy.

[Dino353]

He also anchored the 4th quarter comeback Game 6.

[Liam_Gallagher]

LeBron's probably one of the most unlucky superstars ever. He played with no talent until his 7th year, and in 2015 he probably gets a ring if one of Irving or Love doesn't get hurt. Also the cheap Durant-to-GSW move took away 2 more rings that he probably wins.

If we had to redo his career 10 times, the worst possible situation is probably winning 4 rings before the age of 36.

[scrabbarista]

Chris Bosh wasn't a superstar. If anyone has ever said that, ignore them.

This "unlucky superstar" (speaking of James) dude above me, lol. Wow.

Chris Bosh was an All-Star for five straight seasons and was 25/26 years old - entering his prime - when he joined the Heat.

Dwyane Wade had made six straight All-Star games, won a FMVP, was coming off of two straight All-NBA First Teams and two straight Top 5 MVP finishes, and had made five straight All-NBA Teams and a total of three All-Defensive Teams...

when LeBron James teamed up with both of those guys. The idea that he was unlucky in his career, considering the caliber of teammates he's played with for the last 10 seasons... is just laughable. And when he played on Cavaliers teams that won 66 and 61 games before he joined the Heat, it was only because he was so amazing that they won that many games, but it was only because his teammates were so bad that they lost in the playoffs to teams that won less in the regular season... It's so confusing!

And that's not even getting into Love, Kyrie, and Anthony Davis....

LeBron has won four championships because that's how many he was good enough to win.

He's had at least as much good luck as bad luck.

"If you replayed his career 10,000 times" is such a pointless exercise, because it depends entirely on the mind of whoever is doing the "replaying..." in their own mind.

[Lakers LeBron]

Chris Bosh is basically the most overrated player in modern NBA history because people felt bad about how his career ended.

I was so glad that the Hall of Fame committee didn't reward Bosh for making 10 All-Star games in a super weak east and actually considered the fact that he's only made one All-NBA team in his career. If Bosh had spent his entire career in the west, he's maybe a 3 time all-star. Remember that Pau Gasol only made the all-star team once in Memphis while Bosh was making it every year year in Toronto despite being a much worse player. Everyone also ignores that Bosh missed half of the 2012 playoffs and the Heat didn't miss a beat with out him

[Metallikid]

LeBron's probably one of the most unlucky superstars ever. He played with no talent until his 7th year, and in 2015 he probably gets a ring if one of Irving or Love doesn't get hurt. Also the cheap Durant-to-GSW move took away 2 more rings that he probably wins.

If we had to redo his career 10 times, the worst possible situation is probably winning 4 rings before the age of 36.

Could you imagine how salty MJ stans would be if LeBron had actually just annihilated the entire 2010s going like 7/9?

[Stan]

Just the fact people have the gall to claim the 2013 Heat were a superteam with Wade & Bosh averaging 28 ppg in the playoffs COMBINED is amazing in it's own right

[otwok]

LeBron's probably one of the most unlucky superstars ever. He played with no talent until his 7th year, and in 2015 he probably gets a ring if one of Irving or Love doesn't get hurt. Also the cheap Durant-to-GSW move took away 2 more rings that he probably wins.

If we had to redo his career 10 times, the worst possible situation is probably winning 4 rings before the age of 36.

Could you imagine how salty MJ stans would be if LeBron had actually just annihilated the entire 2010s going like 7/9?

If Lebron dominated the entire 2010s going 7/9, he would be the greatest of all time. but that didn't happen.

[BostonCouchGM]

Just remember that the next time someone tries to tell you the 2013 Heat was a superteam or that Ray Allen "bailed out" LeBron. Only 5 Heats players scored in that game. How can Chris Bosh be a superstar if he went scoreless in the biggest game of his life? He should be thankful LeBron hit one of the clutchest shots in history or else his HOF bid woulda gone up in smokes. The Heat had only 3 players show up that night (LeBron, Wade, and Battier) and somehow beat an all-time great squad.

a) claiming Ray Allen, who was on his last legs, was part of the reason why people say they were a "super team" is embarrassing, even for the biggest Lebron apologist.

b) Ray Allen sent Game 6 to overtime on a fluke play. Despite Lebron being unquestionably the best player in the world, it was Allen that saved the series and had he not hit that shot they lose and Lebron's legacy is in shambles.

3) The Heat were loaded because they had Lebron, Wade, and Bosh but also a great collection of role players. It was amazing roster construction. Pointing to the fact that a role player (Allen) didn't score in Game 7 is weak.

4) just because someone doesn't score points does not mean they aren't having an impact on the game. In Bosh and Allen, those two helped space the floor allowing Lebron and Wade to drive and score/get to the line. The Spurs who were old as hell at this point couldn't defend Lebron and Wade AND defend the shooters. I noticed you conveniently didn't include Wade who put up 23-10. Hmmm...wonder why

[KodiakBear]

Well yeah, the belief that "Ray Allen saved his legacy" is just an anti-Lebron talking point. Sure he made a huge clutch shot. Arguably the biggest shot in history, but role players have hit big shots all throughout NBA history and we don't discredit the superstar.

Lebron had 12 4th quarter points and helped remove a double digit deficit and had a 32 point triple double. No one else on the Heat scored more than 20. In game 7 he dropped 37 including the clinching shot. No one else on the Heat scored more than 23.

He has certainly had great teammates that hit big shots, but there is no title where Lebron was "carried." Being carried at minimum applies you weren't the best player on your team and probably should mean you played poorly and your team still won without you. To be fair had the Heat won in 2011 with Lebron playing at the same level he played at, you could say he was carried for that championship.

[KodiakBear]

Just the fact people have the gall to claim the 2013 Heat were a superteam with Wade & Bosh averaging 28 ppg in the playoffs COMBINED is amazing in it's own right

Wade did have a decent finals, but yeah Wade and Bosh were pretty underwhelming through the run in the East. In the Pacer series, Lebron had to carry that team.

[Metallikid]

LeBron's probably one of the most unlucky superstars ever. He played with no talent until his 7th year, and in 2015 he probably gets a ring if one of Irving or Love doesn't get hurt. Also the cheap Durant-to-GSW move took away 2 more rings that he probably wins.

If we had to redo his career 10 times, the worst possible situation is probably winning 4 rings before the age of 36.

Could you imagine how salty MJ stans would be if LeBron had actually just annihilated the entire 2010s going like 7/9?

If Lebron dominated the entire 2010s going 7/9, he would be the greatest of all time. but that didn't happen.

Oh, but he did dominate the entire 2010s. He just didn't win seven titles... yet. Not that he isn't already the GOAT.

[Harry Garris]

LeBron's probably one of the most unlucky superstars ever. He played with no talent until his 7th year, and in 2015 he probably gets a ring if one of Irving or Love doesn't get hurt. Also the cheap Durant-to-GSW move took away 2 more rings that he probably wins.

If we had to redo his career 10 times, the worst possible situation is probably winning 4 rings before the age of 36.

He hasn't had a particularly lucky career but he's also never experienced a major injury. So come on, it's not like he's dealing with bad voodoo or anything.

[BostonCouchGM]

Chris Bosh is basically the most overrated player in modern NBA history because people felt bad about how his career ended.

I was so glad that the Hall of Fame committee didn't reward Bosh for making 10 All-Star games in a super weak east and actually considered the fact that he's only made one All-NBA team in his career. If Bosh had spent his entire career in the west, he's maybe a 3 time all-star. Remember that Pau Gasol only made the all-star team once in Memphis while Bosh was making it every year year in Toronto despite being a much worse player. Everyone also ignores that Bosh missed half of the 2012 playoffs and the Heat didn't miss a beat with out him

yikes. Bosh was an ascending 25 y/o, not yet in his prime, who had just put up KG like numbers 24-11-2 with a block per game, when he sacrificed numbers and joined Lebron and Wade. The reason why he was elite was because he was one of the few bigs who could defend low and on the perimeter which, in those days, was like being a unicorn. Being away from the basket hurt his rebounding and block numbers but it helped his teams. Having to retire at 31 y/o while still capable of having another 5-7 great seasons is tragic. He didn't make the HOF because the class was loaded and due to the aforementioned longevity issue. He'll make it and deservedly so.

Why do people broadcast how little they know about basketball with awful takes like this?

[LikeABosh]

He also anchored the 4th quarter comeback Game 6.

And hit the other needed 3 to make it a 1 score game

[leper-con]

Is Lebron paying people to come on Real GM and start Lebron threads. There are 50 on the first page alone. Can a mod not just make an all things Lebron thread?

[therealbig3]

2013 was not a super team, neither was 2012 honestly.

LeBron has played on one super team his entire career, which was the 2011 Heat. That’s the only time he was actually on a team with another MVP-caliber player + an All-Star. Love and Irving were good players, but they were both All-Stars, neither one in anyone’s top 10. Davis is great, but that’s a 2-headed monster, not a super team. And neither Wade nor Bosh were good enough after 2011 for the Heat to be considered a super team.

[Sark]

Could you imagine how salty MJ stans would be if LeBron had actually just annihilated the entire 2010s going like 7/9?

If Lebron dominated the entire 2010s going 7/9, he would be the greatest of all time. but that didn't happen.

Oh, but he did dominate the entire Eastern Conference. He just didn't win seven titles... yet. He isn't already the GOAT.

Fixed that for ya.

[otwok]

Could you imagine how salty MJ stans would be if LeBron had actually just annihilated the entire 2010s going like 7/9?

If Lebron dominated the entire 2010s going 7/9, he would be the greatest of all time. but that didn't happen.

Oh, but he did dominate the entire 2010s. He just didn't win seven titles... yet. Not that he isn't already the GOAT.

I don't think he's the GOAT, top 3 or top 2 sure. But there are many stains on his resume for me. If he came out and completely dominated to where you know he wasn't losing that's different. But that wasn't the case for Lebron. This is another conversation that goes into the million Lebron/Jordan/KAJ goat threads.

As for the the thread, it wasn't rare for Bosh or Ray Allen to have statistical impactless games, especially in the ways they were used. Bosh did have a lot of value for that heat outside of the box score, as did ray allen.