Let's talk Robert Williams

[Cuban Pete]

It's a stretch to say KO turned out "fine". He never lived up to his draft status. TBH, I would not pass any judgments on Stevens until the final results are in for RW, and GW. Both have a lot of raw talent.

As for the video, no team sets out to make a bad trade. Danny is usually cautious which is good. He has had too many bad picks for my liking which is, bad. When FA is not your friend, you must draft well in both rounds. No excuses.

[DarkAzcura]

It's a stretch to say KO turned out "fine". He never lived up to his draft status. TBH, I would not pass any judgments on Stevens until the final results are in for RW, and GW. Both have a lot of raw talent.

As for the video, no team sets out to make a bad trade. Danny is usually cautious which is good. He has had too many bad picks for my liking which is, bad. When FA is not your friend, you must draft well in both rounds. No excuses.

Olynyk would be drafted top 10 in a re-draft of 2013. Not sure what you mean about him not living up to his draft status. He was a perfectly fine contributor for where he was drafted.

[Gomes3PC]

It's a stretch to say KO turned out "fine". He never lived up to his draft status. TBH, I would not pass any judgments on Stevens until the final results are in for RW, and GW. Both have a lot of raw talent.

As for the video, no team sets out to make a bad trade. Danny is usually cautious which is good. He has had too many bad picks for my liking which is, bad. When FA is not your friend, you must draft well in both rounds. No excuses.

Look at the 13th pick in the draft over time, it's not that great. Getting a regular rotation guy is a decent return:

2009 - Tyler Hansbrough
2010 - Ed Davis
2011 - Markieff Morris
2012 - Kendall Marshall
2013 - Olynyk
2014 - Zach LaVine
2015 - Devin Booker
2016 - Georgios Papagiannis
2017 - Donovan Mitchell
2018 - Jerome Robinson

Sure, you can nail it and get Booker or Mitchell, but you could also end up with Kendall Marshall.

[BostonCouchGM]

It's a stretch to say KO turned out "fine". He never lived up to his draft status. TBH, I would not pass any judgments on Stevens until the final results are in for RW, and GW. Both have a lot of raw talent.

As for the video, no team sets out to make a bad trade. Danny is usually cautious which is good. He has had too many bad picks for my liking which is, bad. When FA is not your friend, you must draft well in both rounds. No excuses.

Olynyk would be drafted top 10 in a re-draft of 2013. Not sure what you mean about him not living up to his draft status. He was a perfectly fine contributor for where he was drafted.

in 2013 we should have been in full rebuild mode coming off the heels of the Big Three moving on. The goal in that draft should have been to take the highest upside prospect possible. Someone that could be a foundational piece, a potential star. Someone with outlier physical traits and/or athleticism. That was Giannis and Gobert. The exact opposite would be to take one of the oldest prospects in the class who had a high floor but low ceiling. Olynyk is the type of player you take when you're rounding out your roster, not building from scratch. It still boggles the mind how Danny has such ardent defenders on here that they won't admit this was a terrible move.

[Parliament10]

It's a stretch to say KO turned out "fine". He never lived up to his draft status. TBH, I would not pass any judgments on Stevens until the final results are in for RW, and GW. Both have a lot of raw talent.

As for the video, no team sets out to make a bad trade. Danny is usually cautious which is good. He has had too many bad picks for my liking which is, bad. When FA is not your friend, you must draft well in both rounds. No excuses.

Olynyk would be drafted top 10 in a re-draft of 2013. Not sure what you mean about him not living up to his draft status. He was a perfectly fine contributor for where he was drafted.

in 2013 we should have been in full rebuild mode coming off the heels of the Big Three moving on. The goal in that draft should have been to take the highest upside prospect possible. Someone that could be a foundational piece, a potential star. Someone with outlier physical traits and/or athleticism. That was Giannis and Gobert. The exact opposite would be to take one of the oldest prospects in the class who had a high floor but low ceiling. Olynyk is the type of player you take when you're rounding out your roster, not building from scratch. It still boggles the mind how Danny has such ardent defenders on here that they won't admit this was a terrible move.

What difference does it make now, 7 years later?
I'm sure that Danny will work to do better, going forward.

[captain green]

It's a stretch to say KO turned out "fine". He never lived up to his draft status. TBH, I would not pass any judgments on Stevens until the final results are in for RW, and GW. Both have a lot of raw talent.

As for the video, no team sets out to make a bad trade. Danny is usually cautious which is good. He has had too many bad picks for my liking which is, bad. When FA is not your friend, you must draft well in both rounds. No excuses.

Look at the 13th pick in the draft over time, it's not that great. Getting a regular rotation guy is a decent return:

2009 - Tyler Hansbrough
2010 - Ed Davis
2011 - Markieff Morris
2012 - Kendall Marshall
2013 - Olynyk
2014 - Zach LaVine
2015 - Devin Booker
2016 - Georgios Papagiannis
2017 - Donovan Mitchell
2018 - Jerome Robinson

Sure, you can nail it and get Booker or Mitchell, but you could also end up with Kendall Marshall.

This list doesn't help your argument only 2 of that list hasn't helped a team out so by that list you have a better chance of it panning out. And I'll say it Kendall killed his own career he looks like a sleeper so I'll say even only 1 hasn't panned out and 1 lit is himself on fire

[Gomes3PC]

Olynyk is a better player than all those guys except for Booker, Mitchell, and maybe LaVine. And even LaVine, I'd take KO over him because Kelly can play as a role player for a winner and I have no idea if Zach knows how to play winning basketball.

[DarkAzcura]

It's a stretch to say KO turned out "fine". He never lived up to his draft status. TBH, I would not pass any judgments on Stevens until the final results are in for RW, and GW. Both have a lot of raw talent.

As for the video, no team sets out to make a bad trade. Danny is usually cautious which is good. He has had too many bad picks for my liking which is, bad. When FA is not your friend, you must draft well in both rounds. No excuses.

Olynyk would be drafted top 10 in a re-draft of 2013. Not sure what you mean about him not living up to his draft status. He was a perfectly fine contributor for where he was drafted.

in 2013 we should have been in full rebuild mode coming off the heels of the Big Three moving on. The goal in that draft should have been to take the highest upside prospect possible. Someone that could be a foundational piece, a potential star. Someone with outlier physical traits and/or athleticism. That was Giannis and Gobert. The exact opposite would be to take one of the oldest prospects in the class who had a high floor but low ceiling. Olynyk is the type of player you take when you're rounding out your roster, not building from scratch. It still boggles the mind how Danny has such ardent defenders on here that they won't admit this was a terrible move.

I mean, did you even read the post? We are talking about Olynyk living up to his draft status. There being a couple better players drafted after him from 14-60 or whatever is irrelevant to the point. If he would be drafted higher than where he was picked in a re-draft, he not only is living up to his draft status, he is actually surpassing it.

Of course it would had been better to draft Giannis or Gobert. Please read more carefully in the future.

[Ernest]

It's a stretch to say KO turned out "fine". He never lived up to his draft status. TBH, I would not pass any judgments on Stevens until the final results are in for RW, and GW. Both have a lot of raw talent.

As for the video, no team sets out to make a bad trade. Danny is usually cautious which is good. He has had too many bad picks for my liking which is, bad. When FA is not your friend, you must draft well in both rounds. No excuses.

Olynyk would be drafted top 10 in a re-draft of 2013. Not sure what you mean about him not living up to his draft status. He was a perfectly fine contributor for where he was drafted.

in 2013 we should have been in full rebuild mode coming off the heels of the Big Three moving on. The goal in that draft should have been to take the highest upside prospect possible. Someone that could be a foundational piece, a potential star. Someone with outlier physical traits and/or athleticism. That was Giannis and Gobert. The exact opposite would be to take one of the oldest prospects in the class who had a high floor but low ceiling. Olynyk is the type of player you take when you're rounding out your roster, not building from scratch. It still boggles the mind how Danny has such ardent defenders on here that they won't admit this was a terrible move.

Because moves are things you do, not what-ifs and could-have would-haves.

Was never a KO fan but Ainge must have thought he'd be the best. There were what 5 or 6 guys that turned out better or about the same that were drafted after him. And there are bunch of names that I don't recall ever seeing play so there is that.

[jfs1000d]

It's a stretch to say KO turned out "fine". He never lived up to his draft status. TBH, I would not pass any judgments on Stevens until the final results are in for RW, and GW. Both have a lot of raw talent.

As for the video, no team sets out to make a bad trade. Danny is usually cautious which is good. He has had too many bad picks for my liking which is, bad. When FA is not your friend, you must draft well in both rounds. No excuses.

KO lived up to draft status.

Good player. What more do you want?


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[DarkAzcura]

Olynyk would be drafted top 10 in a re-draft of 2013. Not sure what you mean about him not living up to his draft status. He was a perfectly fine contributor for where he was drafted.

in 2013 we should have been in full rebuild mode coming off the heels of the Big Three moving on. The goal in that draft should have been to take the highest upside prospect possible. Someone that could be a foundational piece, a potential star. Someone with outlier physical traits and/or athleticism. That was Giannis and Gobert. The exact opposite would be to take one of the oldest prospects in the class who had a high floor but low ceiling. Olynyk is the type of player you take when you're rounding out your roster, not building from scratch. It still boggles the mind how Danny has such ardent defenders on here that they won't admit this was a terrible move.

Because moves are things you do, not what-ifs and could-have would-haves.

Was never a KO fan but Ainge must have thought he'd be the best. There were what 5 or 6 guys that turned out better or about the same that were drafted after him. And there are bunch of names that I don't recall ever seeing play so there is that.

Not even 5-6. There were only 2 guys drafted after KO that I would take over KO in that draft. 4 if you are a THJ and Schroder fan (which I am not a huge fan of). Unfortunately, both those guys ended up being pretty incredible players. There were 47 players picked after KO and only 2 ended up clearly better than him yet some posters still want to cry as if this is evidence of the Celtics being terrible at drafting, lol. KO has the 8th highest VORP and 7th highest win shares in that draft after being drafted 13th. 8-10 is around where I would probably pick him in a re-draft.

[Ernest]

in 2013 we should have been in full rebuild mode coming off the heels of the Big Three moving on. The goal in that draft should have been to take the highest upside prospect possible. Someone that could be a foundational piece, a potential star. Someone with outlier physical traits and/or athleticism. That was Giannis and Gobert. The exact opposite would be to take one of the oldest prospects in the class who had a high floor but low ceiling. Olynyk is the type of player you take when you're rounding out your roster, not building from scratch. It still boggles the mind how Danny has such ardent defenders on here that they won't admit this was a terrible move.

Because moves are things you do, not what-ifs and could-have would-haves.

Was never a KO fan but Ainge must have thought he'd be the best. There were what 5 or 6 guys that turned out better or about the same that were drafted after him. And there are bunch of names that I don't recall ever seeing play so there is that.

Not even 5-6. There were only 2 guys drafted after KO that I would take over KO in that draft. 4 if you are a THJ and Schroder fan (which I am not a huge fan of). Unfortunately, both those guys ended up being pretty incredible players. There were 47 players picked after KO and only 2 ended up clearly better than him yet some posters still want to cry as if this is evidence of the Celtics being terrible at drafting, lol. KO has the 8th highest VORP and 7th highest win shares in that draft after being drafted 13th. 8-10 is around where I would probably pick him in a re-draft.

Yeah, it's just hard to take some people seriously. Ainge is a good GM and you have people here who don't like him. I think the problem is people spending more time playing NBA2k than watching games.

[return2glory]

Does anyone ever say to themselves after watching Williams, “Man, this guy is going to be good on day.” Has anyone said that?

I haven’t. Sure, his dunks are fun and his blocks are too. But I don’t see it from him.

You can watch Tatum early on and know he had a chance and to be special. You can watch Brown early on and say if he works on this handles and passing, he is going to be pretty good. You watch Smart in his first 2 years and see his all around game and say man, if he can start shooting better, he is gooding to be pretty good.

Watching Williams for 2 seasons, I can’t say any of that about his game. He is decent with a lot of holes in his game. I don’t love his game.

[captain green]

I'm hard on the kid but I do see the"if he gets his fundamentals one day, he's going to get to be good." So it's not entirely a done deal.

[Darth Celtic]

Does anyone ever say to themselves after watching Williams, “Man, this guy is going to be good on day.” Has anyone said that?

I haven’t. Sure, his dunks are fun and his blocks are too. But I don’t see it from him.

You can watch Tatum early on and know he had a chance and to be special. You can watch Brown early on and say if he works on this handles and passing, he is going to be pretty good. You watch Smart in his first 2 years and see his all around game and say man, if he can start shooting better, he is gooding to be pretty good.

Watching Williams for 2 seasons, I can’t say any of that about his game. He is decent with a lot of holes in his game. I don’t love his game.

he won't be an all star, but in a few years he can be the starting center on a championship team. As center is least important position right now, i'm ok with that. We don't need 5 all stars to win.

[JHTruth]

Does anyone ever say to themselves after watching Williams, “Man, this guy is going to be good on day.” Has anyone said that?

I haven’t. Sure, his dunks are fun and his blocks are too. But I don’t see it from him.

You can watch Tatum early on and know he had a chance and to be special. You can watch Brown early on and say if he works on this handles and passing, he is going to be pretty good. You watch Smart in his first 2 years and see his all around game and say man, if he can start shooting better, he is gooding to be pretty good.

Watching Williams for 2 seasons, I can’t say any of that about his game. He is decent with a lot of holes in his game. I don’t love his game.

I say it all the time. He's so long and athletic he'd almost have to be try to not be good. For his role he could be a monster. His advanced stats are phenomenal. Just a matter of scaling up.

[itrsteve]

Does anyone ever say to themselves after watching Williams, “Man, this guy is going to be good on day.” Has anyone said that?

I haven’t. Sure, his dunks are fun and his blocks are too. But I don’t see it from him.

You can watch Tatum early on and know he had a chance and to be special. You can watch Brown early on and say if he works on this handles and passing, he is going to be pretty good. You watch Smart in his first 2 years and see his all around game and say man, if he can start shooting better, he is gooding to be pretty good.

Watching Williams for 2 seasons, I can’t say any of that about his game. He is decent with a lot of holes in his game. I don’t love his game.

Let's define good. I personally believe he can be a starting center on a championship contender. Particularly given his minimal usage, I thought his growth this year was understated. My biggest ding on RW3 prior to this season was that his first minute on the floor would be solid then he would start to have mental lapses, get lost and make bonehead moves.

On the eye test, it seemed that he could sustain longer periods on the floor but wasn't able to play unencumbered from the fear of getting benched.

I really feel that Brad needs to open up next season with RW3 as the starter (unless some center moves are made) and see what he's capable of doing. I understand starting DT as we entered the bubble and that wasn't the time for experimentation and player development - but we have a center problem and an athletic freak waiting to play.

[ddb]

Here's my stance on Timelord. I just don't think he can be trusted to ever become a FT starter in the NBA. His talent is obvious...Very talented. But I question his durability and I question the mental aspect of his game as well. He's a really nice piece coming off the bench, but if the right deal came along where he was involved I'd say go for it.

[JHTruth]

Robert Williams is well ahead of the curve. Out of his draft class in these playoffs he was third in TPA behind Luka (duh) and right behind SGA. So he was basically tied for second out of his draft class for most impactful playoff performer in the 2020 playoffs behind only a generational talent. That means A) he's already good enough to play in high-leverage situations and B) perform well in those minutes.

He's still a young player. Still plenty of reasons to be high on Timelord..

[thomas1897]

How good can Robert Williams be? What type of center is he or can be? He plays similar to Harvey Catchings. Does anyone remember him? Can Robert develop an offensive game around the basketball and a jump shot. Now is the opportunity to get better and work with Brad Stevens or just become a one dimensional player.