Trade Ideas Thread, 2020-21

[leper-con]

Guys just because Indy has expressed interest in trading for Hayward doesn’t mean Danny Ainge has any interest. The Celtics value what he brings and like the way Hayward compliments the roster. But with that said, I think there’s something to all of this, especially with the Hayward’s recently putting their San Diego home up for sale and buying a home in Indy. It’s almost like a deal has on the DL already been worked out and Hayward is aware of it. Seems like he is looking to Indy as the place to settle.

Doubtful Dipo ends up a Celtic. Doesn’t make sense to swap out Hayward for Dipo. Turner is overrated, although I think in a new situation could be better. I would think Danny/Pritch are exploring a 3rd team

We better end up with one of Brogdan or Warren.

[djFan71]

Seems like the easiest is

IND: Hayward, #8 for Dipo, Turner, Leaf
BOS: Bullock, Turner, $12.4M TPE for Hayward
NYK: Dipo, Leaf for #8, Bullock.

IND is basically revenue neutral with hayward/8. We get Turner, the TPE. Knicks gamble that Dipo is better than #8.

I don't even want Turner really, though....

[jfs1000d]

Guys just because Indy has expressed interest in trading for Hayward doesn’t mean Danny Ainge has any interest. The Celtics value what he brings and like the way Hayward compliments the roster. But with that said, I think there’s something to all of this, especially with the Hayward’s recently putting their San Diego home up for sale and buying a home in Indy. It’s almost like a deal has on the DL already been worked out and Hayward is aware of it. Seems like he is looking to Indy as the place to settle.

Doubtful Dipo ends up a Celtic. Doesn’t make sense to swap out Hayward for Dipo. Turner is overrated, although I think in a new situation could be better. I would think Danny/Pritch are exploring a 3rd team

We better end up with one of Brogdan or Warren.

Brogdon is perfect.

Brogdon, Kemba, Brown, Tatum and a No. 5.

I kind of like it.


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[Feed Your Head]

Hayward is more likely to start next season in Indy than Boston.

[Parliament10]

Hayward for = Turner, McDermott, +1. -- Add in Poirier, to get rid of him.
Send picks if necessary. All Indiana has currently, is pick #54.

[SmartWentCrazy]

Hayward is more likely to start next season in Indy than Boston.

All signs certainly point that way

[celticfan42487]

Guys just because Indy has expressed interest in trading for Hayward doesn’t mean Danny Ainge has any interest. The Celtics value what he brings and like the way Hayward compliments the roster. But with that said, I think there’s something to all of this, especially with the Hayward’s recently putting their San Diego home up for sale and buying a home in Indy. It’s almost like a deal has on the DL already been worked out and Hayward is aware of it. Seems like he is looking to Indy as the place to settle.

Doubtful Dipo ends up a Celtic. Doesn’t make sense to swap out Hayward for Dipo. Turner is overrated, although I think in a new situation could be better. I would think Danny/Pritch are exploring a 3rd team

I'm concerned Turner won't be someone we can start in the playoffs with his pick and roll defense. Dropping off no longer works when you can't charge out to recover an open 3. You get within 3 feet of them shooting and then it's an automatic foul.

[SmartWentCrazy]

Seems like the easiest is

IND: Hayward, #8 for Dipo, Turner, Leaf
BOS: Bullock, Turner, $12.4M TPE for Hayward
NYK: Dipo, Leaf for #8, Bullock.

IND is basically revenue neutral with hayward/8. We get Turner, the TPE. Knicks gamble that Dipo is better than #8.

I don't even want Turner really, though....

I dont either. He’s a poor rebounding finesse big who gets pushed around by stronger centers. Hes better than Theis, but he has the same weaknesses as him and we would still be vulnerable in the same ways.

[MagicBagley18]

I think Boston would look to get creative if dealing Hayward to Indy. Maybe try to make it part of a 3 way where Dipo goes to a third team and we get an asset and cap space to offer a full max or the freedom to take in a player upwards of 20M in a S&T

I've seen the Knicks as a possible Oladipo destination because of the Leon Rose connection. What about something like:

Hayward to Indy

Oladipo, #14 and filler from Indy to NY

#8 and a 32 million dollar trade exception to Boston

Sign me up

[MagicBagley18]

except Hayward won't be officially signed when those picks are made. As we have discussed, maybe Hayward is on board with it and opts in before the draft (not even sure that's allowed) and all teams agree on it which is probably only likely with the pacers, but it's very very unlikely. Smitty hasn't been saying this on twitter over and over again for no reason.

Dude, come on. We've been over this. And Indy is the place that makes most sense for Hayward to agree to a opt in early.

Hayward would 10,000% opt in to go to Indy.

Indy is a win for all parties involved.....Gordon goes home close to family, can have a successful career in Indy post playing career, brad doesn’t feel bad Celtics send him home, Celtics make out, pr spin is great.

It’s a win every way you slice it. Just not sure it’s gonna happen

[djFan71]

Seems like the easiest is

IND: Hayward, #8 for Dipo, Turner, Leaf
BOS: Bullock, Turner, $12.4M TPE for Hayward
NYK: Dipo, Leaf for #8, Bullock.

IND is basically revenue neutral with hayward/8. We get Turner, the TPE. Knicks gamble that Dipo is better than #8.

I don't even want Turner really, though....

I dont either. He’s a poor rebounding finesse big who gets pushed around by stronger centers. Hes better than Theis, but he has the same weaknesses as him and we would still be vulnerable in the same ways.

I'd love to flip him for Favors. But you violate rules at each step since you can't do the S&T with a 2020 pick.

4-way with Turner to NOP and 13 to us instead.
Wink-wink on who we pick
S&T Favors for the guy at 13.

No way we'd get caught for that right?

[Dannyboy36]

I think Boston would look to get creative if dealing Hayward to Indy. Maybe try to make it part of a 3 way where Dipo goes to a third team and we get an asset and cap space to offer a full max or the freedom to take in a player upwards of 20M in a S&T

I've seen the Knicks as a possible Oladipo destination because of the Leon Rose connection. What about something like:

Hayward to Indy

Oladipo, #14 and filler from Indy to NY

#8 and a 32 million dollar trade exception to Boston

Where does that trade exception come from? That stuff confuses the heck out of me.

[Feed Your Head]

Seems like the easiest is

IND: Hayward, #8 for Dipo, Turner, Leaf
BOS: Bullock, Turner, $12.4M TPE for Hayward
NYK: Dipo, Leaf for #8, Bullock.

IND is basically revenue neutral with hayward/8. We get Turner, the TPE. Knicks gamble that Dipo is better than #8.

I don't even want Turner really, though....

I dont either. He’s a poor rebounding finesse big who gets pushed around by stronger centers. Hes better than Theis, but he has the same weaknesses as him and we would still be vulnerable in the same ways.

I'd love to flip him for Favors. But you violate rules at each step since you can't do the S&T with a 2020 pick.

4-way with Turner to NOP and 13 to us instead.
Wink-wink on who we pick
S&T Favors for the guy at 13.

No way we'd get caught for that right?

My love for Favors rivals my love of Smart. He does everything you need to win games.

[SmartWentCrazy]

Seems like the easiest is

IND: Hayward, #8 for Dipo, Turner, Leaf
BOS: Bullock, Turner, $12.4M TPE for Hayward
NYK: Dipo, Leaf for #8, Bullock.

IND is basically revenue neutral with hayward/8. We get Turner, the TPE. Knicks gamble that Dipo is better than #8.

I don't even want Turner really, though....

I dont either. He’s a poor rebounding finesse big who gets pushed around by stronger centers. Hes better than Theis, but he has the same weaknesses as him and we would still be vulnerable in the same ways.

I'd love to flip him for Favors. But you violate rules at each step since you can't do the S&T with a 2020 pick.

4-way with Turner to NOP and 13 to us instead.
Wink-wink on who we pick
S&T Favors for the guy at 13.

No way we'd get caught for that right?

Separate moves:

NY gets: Dipo, Poirier
Indy gets: Hayward, 26
Boston get: McDermott, DAL21

Hayward opts in early to go home. We pick up a 30M trade exception

We send a top 20 protected FRP in 2021 and Carsen Edwards to OKC for Gallo in a S&T at 3/45M.

Favors wants to leave NO to have a starting role on a playoff team. We offer him 3/34, or the full MLE. Or, if we really want go get funky, can make the above trade a 4 teamer and include a Turner for Jrue piece, which makes them even more willing go let Favors walk unimpeded.

[Darth Celtic]

Hayward is more likely to start next season in Indy than Boston.

where did you find these odds.

[BostonCouchGM]

Read on Twitter

Read on Twitter

Repeated myself over this topic many times but what I said on twitter is how I feel about it^^^^^

I proposed this exact trade awhile ago, it made sense then and it makes sense now. Hayward and Oladipo are both on their last years so it doesn't matter that he's only here for a year because same applies to Hayward. Our offense AND defense improves with this move. We badly needed that second guy who could get a bucket after Tatum. Kemba clearly proved he isn't it.

Oladipo, when healthy, is one of the best two-way SG in the league. Why does he need to play off ball when Tatum, Kemba and Jaylen can? Oladipo would also push Jaylen to his more natural SF position where his lack of playmaking and handle don't matter as much.

Because the salaries of both Oladipo and Turner COMBINED are close to Hayward, we could include Robert Williams and #14 in order to match.

Kemba
Oladipo-Smart
Brown
Tatum
Turner-Theis

plus we still have #26 and #30 to add depth (Tyler Bey, Paul Reed, Bane, Hall, Mane, Hampton, Njaji, Poku)

Sign me up. That's the best team in the entire NBA folks!

Brogdon
Lamb
Warren
Hayward
Sabonis-TimeLord

that's nothing to sneeze at either. They could take Nesmith or Bey at #14 to upgrade at the 2/3 pushing Lamb or Warren to their more appropriate backup role.

It's also possible Hayward opt out and sign a long term contract around $25 million to facilitate the trade and extend with the Pacers. This would align with Oladipo's $21 million and help get us under the luxury tax for this season. Then we'd have the money to max Tatum when Oladipo leaves. In this trade we don't get Turner but we also don't have to trade Robert Williams and a 1st round pick.

[Homerclease]

Only thing I’d want from Indy is Brogdon. Everyone else on that team can kick rocks

[djFan71]

I dont either. He’s a poor rebounding finesse big who gets pushed around by stronger centers. Hes better than Theis, but he has the same weaknesses as him and we would still be vulnerable in the same ways.

I'd love to flip him for Favors. But you violate rules at each step since you can't do the S&T with a 2020 pick.

4-way with Turner to NOP and 13 to us instead.
Wink-wink on who we pick
S&T Favors for the guy at 13.

No way we'd get caught for that right?

My love for Favors rivals my love of Smart. He does everything you need to win games.

Wow, that's high praise. I definitely want him as well.
I solved it.

Do a legal 4-teamer with HOU:

IND: Hayward, #8 for Dipo, Turner, Leaf
BOS: Bullock, Covington, $17.8M TPE for Hayward
NYK: Dipo, Leaf for #8, Bullock.
HOU: Turner for Covington

HOU gets a big back that they need. They could call it a Capela upgrade via Covington if they want.
We then S&T for Favors with a '21 pick into the TPE.

Smart, Jaylen, Tatum, Covington, Favors: Yes please!

Oh, and that Kemba guy, Theis and a bunch of draft choices.

[Feed Your Head]

Hayward is more likely to start next season in Indy than Boston.

where did you find these odds.

[BostonCouchGM]

Seems like the easiest is

IND: Hayward, #8 for Dipo, Turner, Leaf
BOS: Bullock, Turner, $12.4M TPE for Hayward
NYK: Dipo, Leaf for #8, Bullock.

IND is basically revenue neutral with hayward/8. We get Turner, the TPE. Knicks gamble that Dipo is better than #8.

I don't even want Turner really, though....

I dont either. He’s a poor rebounding finesse big who gets pushed around by stronger centers. Hes better than Theis, but he has the same weaknesses as him and we would still be vulnerable in the same ways.

He's a poor rebounder (like all our bigs have been) because he is used to spread the floor away from the basket, exactly how we'd utilize him and have utilized all our bigs with Brad. He's bigger and better than Theis in every way imaginable so his supposed weaknesses are not as glaring as they are with Theis. And the major difference is he's a capable 3 pt shooter so teams would have to respect him unlike with Theis where they stay away and keep the lane clogged which kills Kemba specifically and also Tatum, in the lane and around the rim.