Charlotte | Brooklyn

[vincecarter4pres]

Charlotte sends:
PJ Washington
3rd overall pick

Brooklyn sends:
Jarrett Allen
19th overall
'20 Brooklyn 1st (top 3 protected)
Nicolas Claxton

Why?
Washington is the type of 3&D tweener Brooklyn is looking for. This is a weak draft, at least in the sense of top pick value, but acquiring the 3rd overall means Marks gets his pick of the lotto guys, and he has shown a propensity for killing it late, would be nice to see what he does at the top. Brooklyn is win now, but Washington has the making of a young guy with a really high floor he's likely to hit soon, even if his ceiling is questionable and maybe they flip the 3rd overall, whether right away, or within a season or so.

Charlotte has been rumored to want a center, liking Wiseman a lot, and there have been whispers all over that Allen is highly desirable by teams like them and GSW, in place of him. They also pick up another pick in the teens, where value is high this draft, a further future pick and a kid that went 1st overall in the 2nd round last year, who has an intriguing skill set. Allen is extremely underrated even if as of now he's viewed as standard rim runner. His mobility on defense, athleticism and blossoming passing game is pretty much unteachable.

[Mamba4Goat]

This feels like the wrong direction for a Charlotte as well as an overpay. They have a top pick and a promising youngster, I can’t imagine they’d consider trading them for quarters.

[vincecarter4pres]

This feels like the wrong direction for a Charlotte as well as an overpay. They have a top pick and a promising youngster, I can’t imagine they’d consider trading them for quarters.

Quarters feels like the standard issue disrespect for the 22 year old Allen, who can switch onto everything and anyone. If it wasn't for KD and Kyrie bringing their friend DeAndre along, there is no way Brooklyn would look to deal him.

If Wiseman is worth the 2nd overall in selection, Allen is easily worth the 3rd in value, imho.

19, future 1st with limited protection and a guy who went 31st, who's definitely desirable for PJ Washington to make the deal happen doesn't seem unreasonable.

Call me crazy, but once you get past Jokic, Bam, KAT, Embiid, J3, a healthy KP and maybe Ayton, there isn't a center I'd want in the league over Allen for the long term, and probably even the short.

I do understand though, that centers aren't really as important in today's game and you can get by with someone who's a lot less skilled and impactful, but again, I've read Charlotte likes the idea of Wiseman and Allen's mobility on D is something special and the rest of his game is at the top of the rim runner checklist.

[Mamba4Goat]

This feels like the wrong direction for a Charlotte as well as an overpay. They have a top pick and a promising youngster, I can’t imagine they’d consider trading them for quarters.

Quarters feels like the standard issue disrespect for the 22 year old Allen, who can switch onto everything and anyone. If it wasn't for KD and Kyrie bringing their friend DeAndre along, there is no way Brooklyn would look to deal him.

If Wiseman is worth the 2nd overall in selection, Allen is easily worth the 3rd in value, imho.

19, future 1st with limited protection and a guy who went 31st, who's definitely desirable for PJ Washington to make the deal happen doesn't seem unreasonable.

Call me crazy, but once you get past Jokic, Bam, KAT, Embiid, J3, a healthy KP and maybe Ayton, there isn't a center I'd want in the league over Allen for the long term, and probably even the short.

I do understand though, that centers aren't really as important in today's game and you can get by with someone who's a lot less skilled and impactful, but again, I've read Charlotte likes the idea of Wiseman and Allen's mobility on D is something special and the rest of his game is at the top of the rim runner checklist.

If you’re basing this on Charlotte liking the idea of a center like Wiseman or Allen it makes more sense for them to keep their blue chip prospect (Washington) and either trade the pick in a package based around Allen without Washington or simply draft Wiseman or Okongwu. The idea would be to pair this center with Washington, not use Washington to get this center.

[vincecarter4pres]

This feels like the wrong direction for a Charlotte as well as an overpay. They have a top pick and a promising youngster, I can’t imagine they’d consider trading them for quarters.

Quarters feels like the standard issue disrespect for the 22 year old Allen, who can switch onto everything and anyone. If it wasn't for KD and Kyrie bringing their friend DeAndre along, there is no way Brooklyn would look to deal him.

If Wiseman is worth the 2nd overall in selection, Allen is easily worth the 3rd in value, imho.

19, future 1st with limited protection and a guy who went 31st, who's definitely desirable for PJ Washington to make the deal happen doesn't seem unreasonable.

Call me crazy, but once you get past Jokic, Bam, KAT, Embiid, J3, a healthy KP and maybe Ayton, there isn't a center I'd want in the league over Allen for the long term, and probably even the short.

I do understand though, that centers aren't really as important in today's game and you can get by with someone who's a lot less skilled and impactful, but again, I've read Charlotte likes the idea of Wiseman and Allen's mobility on D is something special and the rest of his game is at the top of the rim runner checklist.

If you’re basing this on Charlotte liking the idea of a center like Wiseman or Allen it makes more sense for them to keep their blue chip prospect (Washington) and either trade the pick in a package based around Allen without Washington or simply draft Wiseman or Okongwu. The idea would be to pair this center with Washington, not use Washington to get this center.

Fair enough from Charlotte's perspective and of course that counts as much as BK's, but I don't see the Nets looking to trade Allen simply for draft capital value, same as you're saying the Hornets and PJ Washington, unless the Nets had a deal for a guy like Beal on tap and the 3rd in combo with LeVert or Dinwiddie and some extra picks made it happen.

Point taken though. As we're both saying, Charlotte would want to pair Washington with an Allen or Wiseman if they were set on a big man and maybe not set on others in this draft, and Brooklyn wouldn't just deal Allen for top value just because on paper you almost have to, unless it was the part of a blockbuster deal that pushed it through.

This is probably best served as a 3 or 4 teamer, with the premise of Allen for the 3rd overall, assuming Charlotte was good with that aspect of it.

[jbk1234]

No way the Hornets do this. It's not particularly close either. Allen has one year left on his rookie deal. PJ has three. It's dicey without the picks.

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[ecuhus1981]

Eh, I'm not high on PJ. I think that Jarrett would significantly improve the Hornets, but they seem to not value him.

[spankymoore7]

Charlotte sends:
PJ Washington
3rd overall pick

Brooklyn sends:
Jarrett Allen
19th overall
'20 Brooklyn 1st (top 3 protected)
Nicolas Claxton

Why?
Washington is the type of 3&D tweener Brooklyn is looking for. This is a weak draft, at least in the sense of top pick value, but acquiring the 3rd overall means Marks gets his pick of the lotto guys, and he has shown a propensity for killing it late, would be nice to see what he does at the top. Brooklyn is win now, but Washington has the making of a young guy with a really high floor he's likely to hit soon, even if his ceiling is questionable and maybe they flip the 3rd overall, whether right away, or within a season or so.

Charlotte has been rumored to want a center, liking Wiseman a lot, and there have been whispers all over that Allen is highly desirable by teams like them and GSW, in place of him. They also pick up another pick in the teens, where value is high this draft, a further future pick and a kid that went 1st overall in the 2nd round last year, who has an intriguing skill set. Allen is extremely underrated even if as of now he's viewed as standard rim runner. His mobility on defense, athleticism and blossoming passing game is pretty much unteachable.

Really bad for Charlotte. Allen has one year left on rookie deal. PJ has three and 3rd pick has four. If Hornets want a young center, draft Wiseman or Okongwu at 3 and keep PJ. Hard pass

[r0drig0lac]

this Nets package wouldn't be worth the 3rd pick alone, a jump of 16 slots would probably cost Levert + Allen without getting anything in return (and that's if the Hornets are extremely high in Caris), this without taking into account that the level of "winning now" of Hornets is extremely low now (probably 3/10), so it would not make sense to trade a pick lottery and PJ now.

[kobe_vs_jordan]

Allen doesn't have that type of value to return 3rd pick.

[HornetJail]

I would much prefer Wiseman or Okongwu over Allen by themselves (not even close once you factor in contract situations), then the rest of this just breaks down PJ into tiny pieces. The whole package BRK sends maybe gets you one of #3 or PJ... I wouldn't do it for either... but can at least understand the argument.

[Prokorov]

seems like a bit of an overpay. If allen and dinwiddie werent both pending free agents maybe its closer. Charlotte will have to pay allen who they could have just waited a year on and it will be tough for them to retain Dinwiddie at all.

if they keep #3 they can take wiseman, see a year of him, and then make a decision on offering allen a deal.

i think if you take out #3 this could maybe work with the 2 nets picks in. but likely not as again, they would be giving up washington for 2 picks outside the top 2 and 2 pending free agents

[James Gatz]

Hard no from Charlotte

[Texas Chuck]

I have Washington worth more than Allen. So then this is the 3rd pick for 19 and a future first that doesn't project well at all.

Value is way off in favor of Brooklyn here. Plus the whole issue of Allen needs paying next year while Washington has 3 more rookie years left.

[BlazersBroncos]

This stinks for Charlotte. Washington is better than Allen and locked up cheap longer. So its 3 for 19 and a future 1st that should be very low if KD returns at even 75%. It makes zero sense for CHA.

[vincecarter4pres]

Everyone has their opinion on the deal itself, but I’m sort of surprised how low people rate Allen.

I get he’s going to need a new contract soon, but if a team is specifically looking for a center, he’s only 22 years old and is one of the top up and coming 5’s in the game and is already currently an above average starter.

Wiseman might be great, or he might be super meh, or somewhere in between like an Andre Drummond.

Again I’m not even talking trade value so much, because I understand centers who aren’t offensive studs are being phased out. But again I’m talking as a player and under the guise that someone is going to take Wiseman top 5 and yet you’re hoping he’s along the same trajectory of Allen.

What’s it matter if you have 3 extra years of rookie scale when it usually takes big men till like year 5 or 6 to really hit their stride? I’m not even talking rushing the process, I’m just talking the likely sunken cost. And right now is the time you want to extend a guy like Allen. COVID caused cap issues, dearth of solid big men, their importance being phased out, you can probably extend him right now for 4/$50.

I’m imagining it’s just that people haven’t watched the Nets much and so they don’t appreciate Allen. People will get to see him soon though, whether on Brooklyn’s many televised games, or because he’s traded somewhere and his new fan base gets to watch him grow.

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[MasterIchiro]

*sigh*

Our 2 best assets for someone the Nets don't want to pay.

[BlazersBroncos]

Everyone has their opinion on the deal itself, but I’m sort of surprised how low people rate Allen.

Bouncy rim running centers that cant shoot are not nearly as in demand right now as forwards that can switch and shoot. PJ is the latter.

Allen is a nice 5th starter type, but CHA just drafted PJ and he was quite good as a rookie. The 2 extra cheap years are huge.

And this conversation is about Allen vs PJ which is a reasonable one. Throw the CHA #3 pick into the mix and the conversation is absolutely unreasonable.

[HornetJail]

Everyone has their opinion on the deal itself, but I’m sort of surprised how low people rate Allen.

Bouncy rim running centers that cant shoot are not nearly as in demand right now as forwards that can switch and shoot. PJ is the latter.

Allen is a nice 5th starter type, but CHA just drafted PJ and he was quite good as a rookie. The 2 extra cheap years are huge.

And this conversation is about Allen vs PJ which is a reasonable one. Throw the CHA #3 pick into the mix and the conversation is absolutely unreasonable.

All of this- and if we do want that athletic rim running center (and I do), one of Wiseman or Okongwu will be available to us at pick #3, both of whom should fill that role as well or better than Allen.

[vincecarter4pres]

Everyone has their opinion on the deal itself, but I’m sort of surprised how low people rate Allen.

Bouncy rim running centers that cant shoot are not nearly as in demand right now as forwards that can switch and shoot. PJ is the latter.

Allen is a nice 5th starter type, but CHA just drafted PJ and he was quite good as a rookie. The 2 extra cheap years are huge.

And this conversation is about Allen vs PJ which is a reasonable one. Throw the CHA #3 pick into the mix and the conversation is absolutely unreasonable.

All of this- and if we do want that athletic rim running center (and I do), one of Wiseman or Okongwu will be available to us at pick #3, both of whom should fill that role as well or better than Allen.

This is the unpredictable part though and Allen hasn't even finished developing as a player yet. Wiseman and Okongwu aren't some can't miss prospects.

Allen can and does switch on everything. His shotblocking and defensive awareness is high level. His rebounding is great. His athletic ability and more importantly, mobility is the stuff you can't teach, along with his length and bounce. His offensive game is starting to develop beyond rim running. He's starting to blow by guys on face ups off the dribble, develop a jump hook and his passing, which was always solid, is getting better and becoming more effective now that he needs to at least be face guarded in the midrange alone with the ball. He's solid from the line with solid form. I don't see him ever shooting 3's, or a ton of jumpers, but soon enough I believe you'll see him add a legit midrange that makes him all that more dangerous, because then he becomes hard to guard, because you can't leave him open on the elbows, but when you close he can 2 dribble drive, or spin to a hook, or quickly pass back to the ball handler and then dive to the rim off a double screen and is a totally capable passer to dish surprising dimes when the defense collapses.

If Kyrie and KD didn't bring their boy DeAndre along for the ride, Allen is the type of player who would only be available as part of a blockbuster type deal. I'm not saying as the centerpiece on his own, but as a major piece in a major deal.

At this point I realize no one will see eye to eye with me on this deal as a whole, and honestly, I was surely being ambitious. But Allen is good enough and has enough remaining potential to be a surprise candidate for high draft capital, especially in this specific draft for any teams looking to draft a center in the top 7, Imho.

At this point I'm just arguing for Allen's respect lol.