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2020 Presidential Election Thread: The Homestretch

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Re: 2020 Presidential Election Thread: The Homestretch 

Post#1741 » by BallSacBounce » Fri Oct 23, 2020 2:30 pm

Pointgod wrote:
BallSacBounce wrote:For anybody that didn't see the debate. Just tryin to save you some time.

Stay tuned to Breitbart News for live updates.

Who won the Presidential Debate?

Donald Trump 96.19%  

 

Joe Biden 3.81%  

 

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Vote Accordingly

You can thank me in the.morning. I'll be looking at my list and checking it twice just to see who's been naughty and nice.


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Dude, seriously, get a grip and a sense of humor. I posted it in jest expecting blowback. How could you not **** see that. LoL
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election Thread: The Homestretch 

Post#1742 » by Kampuchea » Fri Oct 23, 2020 2:37 pm

BallSacBounce wrote:For anybody that didn't see the debate. Just tryin to save you some time.

Stay tuned to Breitbart News for live updates.

Who won the Presidential Debate?

Donald Trump 96.19%  

 

Joe Biden 3.81%  

 

Return To Poll



Nuff Ced,

Vote Accordingly

You can thank me in the.morning. I'll be looking at my list and checking it twice just to see who's been naughty and nice.



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Re: 2020 Presidential Election Thread: The Homestretch 

Post#1743 » by CharlesOakley » Fri Oct 23, 2020 3:21 pm

BallSacBounce wrote:
Pointgod wrote:
BallSacBounce wrote:Dude, seriously, get a grip and a sense of humor. I posted it in jest expecting blowback. How could you not **** see that. LoL


The MAGA crowd tends to be humorless morons?
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election Thread: The Homestretch 

Post#1744 » by Cookies4Life » Fri Oct 23, 2020 3:38 pm

That was Donnie's best debate since he ran for office in 2016. I guess that mute button was effective, it made him look a lot more reserved than every other debate I've seen him in.

He still lied compulsively throughout and made a lot of baseless comments.

Since March, he's been saying we're "very close" to having a vaccine, its moments away and he's made mention of this in at least 10 different rallies over the last 8 months. First stated the virus was innocuous, than said the summer months will dry it out (I'm assuming he thought it was a bacteria which gets denatured at high heat levels but this is a virus, not a bacteria,) made comments about injecting Lysol which didn't seem sarcastic at all to me- he seemed to be openly speculating about the idea that since it works on surfaces/countertops that it might work if injected into one's veins. He should be the countries guinea pig and try it out and let us know how that works out for him.

He made mention of kids being immune to it when in actuality young kids have developing immune systems so they can absolutely decompensate from the virus. Last night he started to act as if he was taking some responsibility but him calling it the Chinese plague several times over made me realize he'll just continue to deflect.

The catch and release statistics was probably one of the bigger blunders from him last night with his 1% statistic clearly being inaccurate. He's a mess and it's interesting to see him in this election cycle never make mention of how he's polling. That's all he was talking about during the republican primaries back in 2016.

As far as Joe Biden is concerned, i thought he did well but he's going to have to be a lot more clear on his position with fracking as there's a LOT of people reliant on jobs in that sector in Pennsylvania. He wants us to reach net zero carbon emissions by 2025 and if that were to happen, fracking is clearly going to have to be phased out.

Thankfully the court packing issue didn't come up last night but I have no problem with the Democrats doing that. The republicans did Obama dirty back in 2016 when he tried to appoint a judge into the supreme court approximately 8 months before the election and that was Mitch McConnell's doing all the way- in fact he brags openly about how the senate majority was able to hold that off.

i don't like Barrett at all, she's clearly a religious freak who is going to impose her religious ideologies into that position. Judges and politicians need to be secular in their approach and her being selected- which is almost a given it'll happen next week- is cumbersome especially with the potential repeal of Roe V Wade.

i have no problem with the idea of Biden expanding the supreme court with more supreme court justices just to even out the playing field a bit. It looks like there's a good chance there will be a shift in the legislative branch with the Senate turning blue, the house remaining blue and than the president being a democrat. The GOP's day of reckoning is coming very soon, and I'm looking forward to it.
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election Thread: The Homestretch 

Post#1745 » by Clyde_Style » Fri Oct 23, 2020 3:55 pm

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Re: 2020 Presidential Election Thread: The Homestretch 

Post#1746 » by Clyde_Style » Fri Oct 23, 2020 3:58 pm

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Paija wrote:There is one thing I do not understand. Lets assume for argument's sake that Joe Biden knew about his son's business in China in 2017 and even wanted to have 10% of the shares. Was he prohibited to do that because he was at the time some government official (am too lazy to google)? Or because he was VP until 2016? Is it typical for US that once you had some high government position, you cannot become involved in business afterwards?


It’s the kind of story that works on low information dumbasses that can’t be bothered to do 10 minutes of research or bookmark Snopes. There are tons of Senators and members of Congress that own businesses, are CEO’s or have stake in businesses. None of this is a conflict of interest unless you have direct influence in policy that directly gives your company an unfair advantage or directly steers money to it. In Ukraine Biden’s wasn’t making policy but was the anti corruption spokesperson on behalf of the US, NATO, the IMF and other entities who were pressuring the Attorney General to prosecute corrupt companies, like the one his son was on the board of. I have no idea where the China thing comes from because Biden wasn’t making China policy as VP.

If you want to see an example of direct corruption by foreign countries we can talk about foreign countries making direct payments by staying at Trump properties, hotels and golf courses to directly bribe someone who is the chief decision maker. And you can research a clear example of Trump’s relationship with Saudi Arabia. Also we can talk about China granting 500 patents to his daughter, again who has direct influence on policy or a middle eastern country buying Kushner’s debt, again Kushner has a direct influence on policy.

Trump and the rest of the propagandists in the right wing media just keep repeating lies to influence the people that think all politicians are corrupt but are too lazy to do any critical thinking.


FYI, China granted Ivanka patents on voting machines. Yes, unbelievable, but true
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election Thread: The Homestretch 

Post#1747 » by Clyde_Style » Fri Oct 23, 2020 4:00 pm

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aq_ua wrote:
Hes_On_Fire wrote:
When did he mention AOC tonight? I watched the whole thing and didn't hear her name once.

I'm not a Republican (I lean left on many issues) but AOC is the biggest self promoter in politics right now. For someone who has done so little she is treated like a deity. Props to her for coming this far from where she was 3 years ago but I absolutely do not see the hype around her - particularly her policies that aren't based in reality. And it has nothing to do with her being a woman, which I know is a basic attack to use anytime she's criticized for anything.

It was related to the climate change plan and that it's something AOC + 3 came up with, not Biden. I tend to agree that I don't see the fascination with AOC, nice back story and everything, but it's hard to build meaningful credibility without much of a track record.


She came up because she was a lead role on Biden's Climate committee. You can hear Stephanie Kelton and AOC's influence in the rhetoric Biden uses toward Green Investments.

AOC's clout comes from a few things. She knocked out the third highest ranking Senate member to win, that's a big deal. She's routinely one of the biggest fundraisers in the party and does it on small dollar donations. Her fundraising power also comes without the need to spend half her time making phone calls to donors. That's translated to her being very good in Committee Hearings; Katie Porter is the only one that's had as many memorable moments in questioning this cycle.

I think "self-promoter" tends to coincide with stances she takes that give voice to activists but that aren't understood more broadly.

- I've seen her tagged with self-promotion for showing up to support the Sunrise Movement...after that she used their input while working on the Green New Deal (and then she shot ads for Ed Markey while his race was still tight with Kennedy).

- Her 70% top tax rate comment blew up and sparked discussions that are worth revisiting from moderates who'd like to defend Biden from the same exact attacks for his top tax rate being attacked for reaching the 60's.

- Her challenges to ICE and visit to the detention center is another place where people tried to ridicule her and say it was a stunt. Except she's one of the few politicians (the rest of the squad too) that continued to push the Abolish ICE concept when the mainstream conversation had moved on to new controversies. This week children being separated from parents was back on the debate stage and a new report accuses ICE agents of torturing African Asylum seekers to get them to sign deportation orders.

- She also had a dust up with the DCCC over paying dues. They had just threatened to blacklist anybody that helped incumbent challengers (an obvious attack on the progressive strategy of the last 5 years or so). Her response was to not pay the dues but to make donations to candidates that fit progressive principles. The Courage to Change PAC's list of endorsements has a number of winners that will absolutely bolster the Squad's numbers and add more weight if they move collectively.

So on Climate Change, Immigration, Taxation and Empowering progressive candidates; she's actually helped us advance causes and improve our positions on the left. She's got holes in her game (foreign policy is a weakness for sure) but I think the idea of "self-promotion" with regards to her has been overblown as hell.

Also to add on to Wingo's post about AOC on Twitch. That's another example where she could be painted a shameless self-promoter. But she called attention to New Yorkers that they can vote for Biden/Harris on the WFP line which will help a progressive organization AND Biden. She discussed what universal healthcare is like in Europe with Hbomberguy (who she supported when he raised money for Transrights as well). She has a bigger platform than anyone could have expected but she's used it to signal boost the causes she always backed and she's been pretty effective on a number of them.


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Re: 2020 Presidential Election Thread: The Homestretch 

Post#1748 » by Clyde_Style » Fri Oct 23, 2020 4:09 pm

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j4remi wrote:
aq_ua wrote:It was related to the climate change plan and that it's something AOC + 3 came up with, not Biden. I tend to agree that I don't see the fascination with AOC, nice back story and everything, but it's hard to build meaningful credibility without much of a track record.


She came up because she was a lead role on Biden's Climate committee. You can hear Stephanie Kelton and AOC's influence in the rhetoric Biden uses toward Green Investments.

AOC's clout comes from a few things. She knocked out the third highest ranking Senate member to win, that's a big deal. She's routinely one of the biggest fundraisers in the party and does it on small dollar donations. Her fundraising power also comes without the need to spend half her time making phone calls to donors. That's translated to her being very good in Committee Hearings; Katie Porter is the only one that's had as many memorable moments in questioning this cycle.

I think "self-promoter" tends to coincide with stances she takes that give voice to activists but that aren't understood more broadly.

- I've seen her tagged with self-promotion for showing up to support the Sunrise Movement...after that she used their input while working on the Green New Deal (and then she shot ads for Ed Markey while his race was still tight with Kennedy).

- Her 70% top tax rate comment blew up and sparked discussions that are worth revisiting from moderates who'd like to defend Biden from the same exact attacks for his top tax rate being attacked for reaching the 60's.

- Her challenges to ICE and visit to the detention center is another place where people tried to ridicule her and say it was a stunt. Except she's one of the few politicians (the rest of the squad too) that continued to push the Abolish ICE concept when the mainstream conversation had moved on to new controversies. This week children being separated from parents was back on the debate stage and a new report accuses ICE agents of torturing African Asylum seekers to get them to sign deportation orders.

- She also had a dust up with the DCCC over paying dues. They had just threatened to blacklist anybody that helped incumbent challengers (an obvious attack on the progressive strategy of the last 5 years or so). Her response was to not pay the dues but to make donations to candidates that fit progressive principles. The Courage to Change PAC's list of endorsements has a number of winners that will absolutely bolster the Squad's numbers and add more weight if they move collectively.

So on Climate Change, Immigration, Taxation and Empowering progressive candidates; she's actually helped us advance causes and improve our positions on the left. She's got holes in her game (foreign policy is a weakness for sure) but I think the idea of "self-promotion" with regards to her has been overblown as hell.

Also to add on to Wingo's post about AOC on Twitch. That's another example where she could be painted a shameless self-promoter. But she called attention to New Yorkers that they can vote for Biden/Harris on the WFP line which will help a progressive organization AND Biden. She discussed what universal healthcare is like in Europe with Hbomberguy (who she supported when he raised money for Transrights as well). She has a bigger platform than anyone could have expected but she's used it to signal boost the causes she always backed and she's been pretty effective on a number of them.


All true but the real root of her popularity is the right wing hysteria about her, last night's debate being a continuation of said hysteria. They have been having a meltdown for 2 years about the fact she is in congress. People like her are simply not supposed to be in politics and they can't deal with it. It's kinda funny.


... and because she's hot

Seriously though, she's an articulate leftist who is maturing rapidly into a competent politician and you need competency and ability to navigate the power structures on the hill and she's smart enough to be that person. By contrast, I think Rashida Tlaib can be a real ahole and I respect AOC far more than someone like Tlaib who lapses so easily into cheap slander. It is an insanely hard job to be the face of the left in America and AOC has not been perfect, but I forgive her occasional shrillness because I recognize who she is fighting for and why she gets so hot at times.

But ultimately she's going to have to become increasingly stately in conduct to really spearhead a leftist revival at the top and I think she is smart enough to mature into that role. So I'm betting on her to go far, because in America appearances do matter too much and she has the mental agility to appeal to people who've been brainwashed into thinking the GOP represents their interests. And that will take at least another decade of consistent communication to break through those filters. She may be the person to do that.
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election Thread: The Homestretch 

Post#1749 » by Clyde_Style » Fri Oct 23, 2020 4:18 pm

CharlesOakley wrote:
BallSacBounce wrote:
Pointgod wrote:


The MAGA crowd tends to be humorless morons?


Talk to any MAGA person face to face and they will tell you Trump is hysterically funny. They actually think Trump has a sense of humor. Michael Cohen recently was talking about how Trump actually doesn't understand humor and is incapable of it. All Trump knows is how to chit talk and that's what MAGA loves about him so Trump plays that card extra hard and MAGAts laugh so hard at Trump's trolling. It's the primary emotional bond that created the cult in the first place.

Not all MAGA people are completely devoid of humor themselves, but they worship a guy who wouldn't know how to tell or make a joke if his life depended on it. Trump is not intelligent. He is a humorless troll though. That MAGA people find that funny simply highlights how their value system elevates Trump's trolling to a higher virtue.

Their whole political world view is built on troll first, ask questions never.
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election Thread: The Homestretch 

Post#1750 » by stuporman » Fri Oct 23, 2020 4:23 pm

I dropped my mail in ballot at a drop box inside the post office in the wealthiest(and very republican) area near me to make sure it doesn't get 'lost' or delayed in any way. It got collected and accepted in 1 day....just checked online to confirm it.

Interesting to note that the closest drop box was around 10 miles from me and I live in the most populated city in the most populated county in my state.
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election Thread: The Homestretch 

Post#1751 » by Clyde_Style » Fri Oct 23, 2020 4:25 pm

stuporman wrote:I dropped my mail in ballot at a drop box inside the post office in the wealthiest(and very republican) area near me to make sure it doesn't get 'lost' or delayed in any way. It got collected and accepted in 1 day....just checked online to confirm it.


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Re: 2020 Presidential Election Thread: The Homestretch 

Post#1752 » by G_K_F » Fri Oct 23, 2020 4:58 pm

j4remi wrote:
aq_ua wrote:
Hes_On_Fire wrote:
When did he mention AOC tonight? I watched the whole thing and didn't hear her name once.

I'm not a Republican (I lean left on many issues) but AOC is the biggest self promoter in politics right now. For someone who has done so little she is treated like a deity. Props to her for coming this far from where she was 3 years ago but I absolutely do not see the hype around her - particularly her policies that aren't based in reality. And it has nothing to do with her being a woman, which I know is a basic attack to use anytime she's criticized for anything.

It was related to the climate change plan and that it's something AOC + 3 came up with, not Biden. I tend to agree that I don't see the fascination with AOC, nice back story and everything, but it's hard to build meaningful credibility without much of a track record.


She came up because she was a lead role on Biden's Climate committee. You can hear Stephanie Kelton and AOC's influence in the rhetoric Biden uses toward Green Investments.

AOC's clout comes from a few things. She knocked out the third highest ranking Senate member to win, that's a big deal. She's routinely one of the biggest fundraisers in the party and does it on small dollar donations. Her fundraising power also comes without the need to spend half her time making phone calls to donors. That's translated to her being very good in Committee Hearings; Katie Porter is the only one that's had as many memorable moments in questioning this cycle.

I think "self-promoter" tends to coincide with stances she takes that give voice to activists but that aren't understood more broadly.

- I've seen her tagged with self-promotion for showing up to support the Sunrise Movement...after that she used their input while working on the Green New Deal (and then she shot ads for Ed Markey while his race was still tight with Kennedy).

- Her 70% top tax rate comment blew up and sparked discussions that are worth revisiting from moderates who'd like to defend Biden from the same exact attacks for his top tax rate being attacked for reaching the 60's.

- Her challenges to ICE and visit to the detention center is another place where people tried to ridicule her and say it was a stunt. Except she's one of the few politicians (the rest of the squad too) that continued to push the Abolish ICE concept when the mainstream conversation had moved on to new controversies. This week children being separated from parents was back on the debate stage and a new report accuses ICE agents of torturing African Asylum seekers to get them to sign deportation orders.

- She also had a dust up with the DCCC over paying dues. They had just threatened to blacklist anybody that helped incumbent challengers (an obvious attack on the progressive strategy of the last 5 years or so). Her response was to not pay the dues but to make donations to candidates that fit progressive principles. The Courage to Change PAC's list of endorsements has a number of winners that will absolutely bolster the Squad's numbers and add more weight if they move collectively.

So on Climate Change, Immigration, Taxation and Empowering progressive candidates; she's actually helped us advance causes and improve our positions on the left. She's got holes in her game (foreign policy is a weakness for sure) but I think the idea of "self-promotion" with regards to her has been overblown as hell.

Also to add on to Wingo's post about AOC on Twitch. That's another example where she could be painted a shameless self-promoter. But she called attention to New Yorkers that they can vote for Biden/Harris on the WFP line which will help a progressive organization AND Biden. She discussed what universal healthcare is like in Europe with Hbomberguy (who she supported when he raised money for Transrights as well). She has a bigger platform than anyone could have expected but she's used it to signal boost the causes she always backed and she's been pretty effective on a number of them.


I’m not a radical leftist (or, I guess, a ‘progressive’) so much of her views seem ridiculous to me. Her policies seem to all stem from the millennial ‘woke’ movement, not all of which is based in reality.

For example, killing the Amazon deal in Long Island City helped nobody except give her more clout. She says she’s fighting for jobs - that would have added thousands upon thousands of permanent jobs. She has no business sense and I think a major part of being a political leader is understanding the economy and how it works. Simply saying ‘equal pay for all!, no more poverty!’ with no realistic plan to get there solves nothing.

Shes young and she knows how to speak to the young people of today. She’s smart and knows how to get her points across to her audience. I just don’t agree with radical economic and healthcare policies and never will. Her ideas have been tried in other countries and failed miserably.
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election Thread: The Homestretch 

Post#1753 » by DOT » Fri Oct 23, 2020 5:09 pm

Hes_On_Fire wrote:
j4remi wrote:
aq_ua wrote:It was related to the climate change plan and that it's something AOC + 3 came up with, not Biden. I tend to agree that I don't see the fascination with AOC, nice back story and everything, but it's hard to build meaningful credibility without much of a track record.


She came up because she was a lead role on Biden's Climate committee. You can hear Stephanie Kelton and AOC's influence in the rhetoric Biden uses toward Green Investments.

AOC's clout comes from a few things. She knocked out the third highest ranking Senate member to win, that's a big deal. She's routinely one of the biggest fundraisers in the party and does it on small dollar donations. Her fundraising power also comes without the need to spend half her time making phone calls to donors. That's translated to her being very good in Committee Hearings; Katie Porter is the only one that's had as many memorable moments in questioning this cycle.

I think "self-promoter" tends to coincide with stances she takes that give voice to activists but that aren't understood more broadly.

- I've seen her tagged with self-promotion for showing up to support the Sunrise Movement...after that she used their input while working on the Green New Deal (and then she shot ads for Ed Markey while his race was still tight with Kennedy).

- Her 70% top tax rate comment blew up and sparked discussions that are worth revisiting from moderates who'd like to defend Biden from the same exact attacks for his top tax rate being attacked for reaching the 60's.

- Her challenges to ICE and visit to the detention center is another place where people tried to ridicule her and say it was a stunt. Except she's one of the few politicians (the rest of the squad too) that continued to push the Abolish ICE concept when the mainstream conversation had moved on to new controversies. This week children being separated from parents was back on the debate stage and a new report accuses ICE agents of torturing African Asylum seekers to get them to sign deportation orders.

- She also had a dust up with the DCCC over paying dues. They had just threatened to blacklist anybody that helped incumbent challengers (an obvious attack on the progressive strategy of the last 5 years or so). Her response was to not pay the dues but to make donations to candidates that fit progressive principles. The Courage to Change PAC's list of endorsements has a number of winners that will absolutely bolster the Squad's numbers and add more weight if they move collectively.

So on Climate Change, Immigration, Taxation and Empowering progressive candidates; she's actually helped us advance causes and improve our positions on the left. She's got holes in her game (foreign policy is a weakness for sure) but I think the idea of "self-promotion" with regards to her has been overblown as hell.

Also to add on to Wingo's post about AOC on Twitch. That's another example where she could be painted a shameless self-promoter. But she called attention to New Yorkers that they can vote for Biden/Harris on the WFP line which will help a progressive organization AND Biden. She discussed what universal healthcare is like in Europe with Hbomberguy (who she supported when he raised money for Transrights as well). She has a bigger platform than anyone could have expected but she's used it to signal boost the causes she always backed and she's been pretty effective on a number of them.


I’m not a radical leftist (or, I guess, a ‘progressive’) so much of her views seem ridiculous to me. Her policies seem to all stem from the millennial ‘woke’ movement, not all of which is based in reality.

For example, killing the Amazon deal in Long Island City helped nobody except give her more clout. She says she’s fighting for jobs - that would have added thousands upon thousands of permanent jobs. She has no business sense and I think a major part of being a political leader is understanding the economy and how it works. Simply saying ‘equal pay for all!, no more poverty!’ with no realistic plan to get there solves nothing.

Shes young and she knows how to speak to the young people of today. She’s smart and knows how to get her points across to her audience. I just don’t agree with radical economic and healthcare policies and never will. Her ideas have been tried in other countries and failed miserably.

Yes, the woman who graduated cum laude from Boston University with a degree in economics doesn't understand the economy
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election Thread: The Homestretch 

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I couldn't force myself to listen to that voice for more than 20 seconds. If all undecided voters were like her, I'd say fugedduboudem.


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Re: 2020 Presidential Election Thread: The Homestretch 

Post#1757 » by G_K_F » Fri Oct 23, 2020 5:43 pm

K-DOT wrote:
Hes_On_Fire wrote:
j4remi wrote:
She came up because she was a lead role on Biden's Climate committee. You can hear Stephanie Kelton and AOC's influence in the rhetoric Biden uses toward Green Investments.

AOC's clout comes from a few things. She knocked out the third highest ranking Senate member to win, that's a big deal. She's routinely one of the biggest fundraisers in the party and does it on small dollar donations. Her fundraising power also comes without the need to spend half her time making phone calls to donors. That's translated to her being very good in Committee Hearings; Katie Porter is the only one that's had as many memorable moments in questioning this cycle.

I think "self-promoter" tends to coincide with stances she takes that give voice to activists but that aren't understood more broadly.

- I've seen her tagged with self-promotion for showing up to support the Sunrise Movement...after that she used their input while working on the Green New Deal (and then she shot ads for Ed Markey while his race was still tight with Kennedy).

- Her 70% top tax rate comment blew up and sparked discussions that are worth revisiting from moderates who'd like to defend Biden from the same exact attacks for his top tax rate being attacked for reaching the 60's.

- Her challenges to ICE and visit to the detention center is another place where people tried to ridicule her and say it was a stunt. Except she's one of the few politicians (the rest of the squad too) that continued to push the Abolish ICE concept when the mainstream conversation had moved on to new controversies. This week children being separated from parents was back on the debate stage and a new report accuses ICE agents of torturing African Asylum seekers to get them to sign deportation orders.

- She also had a dust up with the DCCC over paying dues. They had just threatened to blacklist anybody that helped incumbent challengers (an obvious attack on the progressive strategy of the last 5 years or so). Her response was to not pay the dues but to make donations to candidates that fit progressive principles. The Courage to Change PAC's list of endorsements has a number of winners that will absolutely bolster the Squad's numbers and add more weight if they move collectively.

So on Climate Change, Immigration, Taxation and Empowering progressive candidates; she's actually helped us advance causes and improve our positions on the left. She's got holes in her game (foreign policy is a weakness for sure) but I think the idea of "self-promotion" with regards to her has been overblown as hell.

Also to add on to Wingo's post about AOC on Twitch. That's another example where she could be painted a shameless self-promoter. But she called attention to New Yorkers that they can vote for Biden/Harris on the WFP line which will help a progressive organization AND Biden. She discussed what universal healthcare is like in Europe with Hbomberguy (who she supported when he raised money for Transrights as well). She has a bigger platform than anyone could have expected but she's used it to signal boost the causes she always backed and she's been pretty effective on a number of them.


I’m not a radical leftist (or, I guess, a ‘progressive’) so much of her views seem ridiculous to me. Her policies seem to all stem from the millennial ‘woke’ movement, not all of which is based in reality.

For example, killing the Amazon deal in Long Island City helped nobody except give her more clout. She says she’s fighting for jobs - that would have added thousands upon thousands of permanent jobs. She has no business sense and I think a major part of being a political leader is understanding the economy and how it works. Simply saying ‘equal pay for all!, no more poverty!’ with no realistic plan to get there solves nothing.

Shes young and she knows how to speak to the young people of today. She’s smart and knows how to get her points across to her audience. I just don’t agree with radical economic and healthcare policies and never will. Her ideas have been tried in other countries and failed miserably.

Yes, the woman who graduated cum laude from Boston University with a degree in economics doesn't understand the economy


I don’t care what she graduated in. Her economic policies suck and aren’t based on any realistic models for sustainability. People can treat her like a God, that’s on them. The issue is I don’t treat any politicians like Gods - even the ones I like.

At the end of the day, the majority of people in politics aren’t in it for the right reasons. Self interest always tops all. So I’m not about to sit her and pretend that Democrats and Republicans are ‘transparent’ because none of them are. There is always an ulterior motive for political actions. I just support the ulterior motives that will benefit more people than hurt them. Treating politics as anything more than a ‘Game of Thrones’ scenario doesn’t make sense to me.
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election Thread: The Homestretch 

Post#1760 » by DOT » Fri Oct 23, 2020 6:00 pm

Hes_On_Fire wrote:
K-DOT wrote:
Hes_On_Fire wrote:
I’m not a radical leftist (or, I guess, a ‘progressive’) so much of her views seem ridiculous to me. Her policies seem to all stem from the millennial ‘woke’ movement, not all of which is based in reality.

For example, killing the Amazon deal in Long Island City helped nobody except give her more clout. She says she’s fighting for jobs - that would have added thousands upon thousands of permanent jobs. She has no business sense and I think a major part of being a political leader is understanding the economy and how it works. Simply saying ‘equal pay for all!, no more poverty!’ with no realistic plan to get there solves nothing.

Shes young and she knows how to speak to the young people of today. She’s smart and knows how to get her points across to her audience. I just don’t agree with radical economic and healthcare policies and never will. Her ideas have been tried in other countries and failed miserably.

Yes, the woman who graduated cum laude from Boston University with a degree in economics doesn't understand the economy


I don’t care what she graduated in. Her economic policies suck and aren’t based on any realistic models for sustainability. People can treat her like a God, that’s on them. The issue is I don’t treat any politicians like Gods - even the ones I like.

At the end of the day, the majority of people in politics aren’t in it for the right reasons. Self interest always tops all. So I’m not about to sit her and pretend that Democrats and Republicans are ‘transparent’ because none of them are. There is always an ulterior motive for political actions. I just support the ulterior motives that will benefit more people than hurt them. Treating politics as anything more than a ‘Game of Thrones’ scenario doesn’t make sense to me.

But they don't treat her like a god, you just assume they do because you need both sides to be equally bad for your beliefs to make sense cause your political position ("both sides bad") is the equivalent of a religion. You start with your conclusion, then reject any evidence to the contrary, the opposite of being objective. Which is why arguing with you people is pointless, cause it's the equivalent of trying to convince a creationist that the earth is billions of years old. Can't reason someone out of a position they didn't use reason to get to.
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