Billy Donovan hired as next Bulls coach - Full coaching staff p43

[TheStig]

Well guys, it’s official: the only thing separating Gar Forman from Pat Riley & Gregg Popovich is wins! That’s literally it LOL!!

Oh, and everyone is flocking to Thibs, namely due to his championship rings! But also just Because wherever he goes, players flock! Thibs, Popovich, basically the same person!

Bill Bellichek is the best NFL coach. Players hate him. He benched one of his best defensive players in the superbowl for no reason. Brady, the greatest QB, doesn't appear to like him. Hence why he left. Yet, he wins and Brady put up with it for 20 years and he's got 6 superbowl rings.

I'm not defending Gar. I don't like him. But if you don't think that players will go along with him if he was putting them in a position to succeed, you're sadly mistaken. Ownership surely wouldn't have moved him if he were successful. The old school guys like Riley and Bellicheck don't coddle guys.

[MrFortune3]

Yes, that's the point.

Was not agreeing with you. Even when you win, most are still hated IE Jerry Krause. People love Riley and Pop win or lose. That's an important difference.

I don't recall people loving Riley. I know Pop really got to knowing guys well.

A lot of his former players speak highly of him and the culture he provides. He also keeps them around the franchise and shows loyalty to them.

[TheStig]

Was not agreeing with you. Even when you win, most are still hated IE Jerry Krause. People love Riley and Pop win or lose. That's an important difference.

I don't recall people loving Riley. I know Pop really got to knowing guys well.

A lot of his former players speak highly of him and the culture he provides. He also keeps them around the franchise and shows loyalty to them.

Those are the old school guys like Zo. I don't think he's so popular amongst the new school guys. Bron left. Wade left because they wouldn't offer him anything close to market value despite paying Bosh. And I don't think Wade, the greatest heat and lets be honest, guy who should have never left, is even involved with the franchise now.

[Indomitable]

Agree on Lauri. He was ruined by some wrong-minded trainer who had a 1980's view of what an NBA player is (I'm thinking it was one of his Finnish people - although it easily could have been the Bulls), but the kid came into the league with quickness and his legs became tree stumps and his arms became too pumped up to make 3's consistently.

If we are relying on Zach and Coby as two of our stool legs, we need a seat as much as we need a third leg or we're just gonna get a pole stuck up our butts, again!

This is basically the opposite of what’s true. Markkanen was never The Guy material. He’s more than likely a complimentary piece. White has far higher upside. Even in his rookie year, Markkanen was slow footed, that’s who he is. Also, the way he’s been playing is the opposite of what you’re suggesting. No one is training him with an 80s Frontcourt in mind. He has zero 80s post moves or defensive skills. He was basically just spot up catch & shooting 3s. He just wasn’t very good at it. How is that someone training him with an 80s PF in mind, that makes absolutely sense lol. He still has some upside to mine, but it’s not higher than Cobys, who is has the potential to be a prolific volume scorer in the NBA, amongst many other things. The ability to get to the rim at will alone is worlds superior to anything that markkanen brings to the table, and that’s a fact.

Also, regarding the dual “scoring”, guard backcourt, we’ve SEEN it work with quality coaching in Oakland & Portland. NBA is positionless now, it’s about elite scorers that have been coached to play the game right. Everything else can be figured out afterwards. When you have two players like Zach & Coby, who are plenty capable of tossing up 35/40 a night on a consistent basis, you put those dudes on the court alongside one another & you figure out everything else as you go along. Shoot first & ask questions later. With the type of “logic” you’re suggesting they use, there’d never be a Steph/Klay, or a Dame/CJ. People said the same dumb ignorant sh** about playing those guys together before they really started to gel. The talent is there with Zach & Coby, let’s see them with a professional coaching staff with a real agenda

i don't recall people saying that steph and klay couldn't play together. frankly, it makes no sense. there may have been questions about steph's fit as a point guard, but that has nothing to do with klay, who is the prototypical SG

and your rant didn't relate to anything that was actually said. there was no mention of the chemistry fit of suite life. presumably he just meant that he doesn't see them as good enough players to confidently build around

People did though.

[MrFortune3]

I don't recall people loving Riley. I know Pop really got to knowing guys well.

A lot of his former players speak highly of him and the culture he provides. He also keeps them around the franchise and shows loyalty to them.

Those are the old school guys like Zo. I don't think he's so popular amongst the new school guys. Bron left. Wade left because they wouldn't offer him anything close to market value despite paying Bosh. And I don't think Wade, the greatest heat and lets be honest, guy who should have never left, is even involved with the franchise now.

Wade left because he wanted to get paid and then he came back to retire with the Heat and helped convince Jimmy to go to the Heat.
Chris Quinn, Anthony Carter, Malik Allen are former Heat players and are all now assistant coaches with the Heat.
Shane Battier and Alonzo Mourning are in the Heat FO.
Glen Rice is a Scout/Team Ambassador.

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I wonder when we'll get some news about assistant signings?

23 days until the draft. Free agency is probably a week or so after if the reports of the season starting before Christmas is true.

[PhilLeotardo]

Guys can someone explain the difference between Cameron Payne & Tony Parker to me? How about Jerry Stackhouse & Michael Jordan? They all seem like equals. Save for the wins

The only difference between Phil Jackson & VDN is the wins

[PhilLeotardo]

A lot of his former players speak highly of him and the culture he provides. He also keeps them around the franchise and shows loyalty to them.

Those are the old school guys like Zo. I don't think he's so popular amongst the new school guys. Bron left. Wade left because they wouldn't offer him anything close to market value despite paying Bosh. And I don't think Wade, the greatest heat and lets be honest, guy who should have never left, is even involved with the franchise now.

Wade left because he wanted to get paid and then he came back to retire with the Heat and helped convince Jimmy to go to the Heat.
Chris Quinn, Anthony Carter, Malik Allen are former Heat players and are all now assistant coaches with the Heat.
Shane Battier and Alonzo Mourning are in the Heat FO.
Glen Rice is a Scout/Team Ambassador.

Whoa wait this is still going on? How is this still going on?

I’ll put it in pro wrasslin terms for ya, brother: “it’s a work, brother! You’re getting worked!”

[TheStig]

A lot of his former players speak highly of him and the culture he provides. He also keeps them around the franchise and shows loyalty to them.

Those are the old school guys like Zo. I don't think he's so popular amongst the new school guys. Bron left. Wade left because they wouldn't offer him anything close to market value despite paying Bosh. And I don't think Wade, the greatest heat and lets be honest, guy who should have never left, is even involved with the franchise now.

Wade left because he wanted to get paid and then he came back to retire with the Heat and helped convince Jimmy to go to the Heat.
Chris Quinn, Anthony Carter, Malik Allen are former Heat players and are all now assistant coaches with the Heat.
Shane Battier and Alonzo Mourning are in the Heat FO.
Glen Rice is a Scout/Team Ambassador.

Yeah, here is what Wade said after he got offered 10 million..... didn't he get like 50 mill guaranteed and Denver offered even more?

“At the end of the day, I didn’t hear from the guy I needed to. I expressed this to him later. That right there hurt me. It showed me… it was time to remove myself from the situation…. It’s a business. But I’m human as well. I was waiting for him to step up and meet me, call me, do something and it just never happened. That’s not the Pat I know. You can find me quicker than anybody. You want to be wanted. Everyone wants to be wanted. I didn’t feel like I was wanted from the person I wanted to be wanted from…. I was waiting for him to step up and meet me somewhere. Call me. Do something. It just never happened. That’s not Pat. That’s not the Pat I know.”

Kinda weird it blew up so quickly don't you think? Apparently Wade didn't even get a call after 13 years and titles.

[MrFortune3]

Those are the old school guys like Zo. I don't think he's so popular amongst the new school guys. Bron left. Wade left because they wouldn't offer him anything close to market value despite paying Bosh. And I don't think Wade, the greatest heat and lets be honest, guy who should have never left, is even involved with the franchise now.

Wade left because he wanted to get paid and then he came back to retire with the Heat and helped convince Jimmy to go to the Heat.
Chris Quinn, Anthony Carter, Malik Allen are former Heat players and are all now assistant coaches with the Heat.
Shane Battier and Alonzo Mourning are in the Heat FO.
Glen Rice is a Scout/Team Ambassador.

Yeah, here is what Wade said after he got offered 10 million..... didn't he get like 50 mill guaranteed and Denver offered even more?

“At the end of the day, I didn’t hear from the guy I needed to. I expressed this to him later. That right there hurt me. It showed me… it was time to remove myself from the situation…. It’s a business. But I’m human as well. I was waiting for him to step up and meet me, call me, do something and it just never happened. That’s not the Pat I know. You can find me quicker than anybody. You want to be wanted. Everyone wants to be wanted. I didn’t feel like I was wanted from the person I wanted to be wanted from…. I was waiting for him to step up and meet me somewhere. Call me. Do something. It just never happened. That’s not Pat. That’s not the Pat I know.”

Kinda weird it blew up so quickly don't you think? Apparently Wade didn't even get a call after 13 years and titles.

You'll notice he mentions that's not the Pat he knows. He still went back and finished his career with the Heat and actively helped them land Jimmy.

[MrFortune3]

Those are the old school guys like Zo. I don't think he's so popular amongst the new school guys. Bron left. Wade left because they wouldn't offer him anything close to market value despite paying Bosh. And I don't think Wade, the greatest heat and lets be honest, guy who should have never left, is even involved with the franchise now.

Wade left because he wanted to get paid and then he came back to retire with the Heat and helped convince Jimmy to go to the Heat.
Chris Quinn, Anthony Carter, Malik Allen are former Heat players and are all now assistant coaches with the Heat.
Shane Battier and Alonzo Mourning are in the Heat FO.
Glen Rice is a Scout/Team Ambassador.

Whoa wait this is still going on? How is this still going on?

I’ll put it in pro wrasslin terms for ya, brother: “it’s a work, brother! You’re getting worked!”

While I do love wrestling. Not the same issue. There is a reason loyalty was bandied about when the Bulls recruit FA's.
Of course, that is now in the past since Gar and Pax no longer represent the FO.

[TheStig]

Wade left because he wanted to get paid and then he came back to retire with the Heat and helped convince Jimmy to go to the Heat.
Chris Quinn, Anthony Carter, Malik Allen are former Heat players and are all now assistant coaches with the Heat.
Shane Battier and Alonzo Mourning are in the Heat FO.
Glen Rice is a Scout/Team Ambassador.

Yeah, here is what Wade said after he got offered 10 million..... didn't he get like 50 mill guaranteed and Denver offered even more?

“At the end of the day, I didn’t hear from the guy I needed to. I expressed this to him later. That right there hurt me. It showed me… it was time to remove myself from the situation…. It’s a business. But I’m human as well. I was waiting for him to step up and meet me, call me, do something and it just never happened. That’s not the Pat I know. You can find me quicker than anybody. You want to be wanted. Everyone wants to be wanted. I didn’t feel like I was wanted from the person I wanted to be wanted from…. I was waiting for him to step up and meet me somewhere. Call me. Do something. It just never happened. That’s not Pat. That’s not the Pat I know.”

Kinda weird it blew up so quickly don't you think? Apparently Wade didn't even get a call after 13 years and titles.

You'll notice he mentions that's not the Pat he knows. He still went back and finished his career with the Heat and actively helped them land Jimmy.

He went back and retired in their jersey. Guess what, we have a player that accused the medical staff of trying of nearly killing him and abandoning him and then calling it the flu, followed by a terrible contract break down and quick dump after a low ball offer...... and Deng still retired a Bull........

And we had Pete Myers, Randy Brown and John Paxson in the org forever with Grant and Pip as advisors. Teams have former players.

Maybe Wade pointed Butler toward the heat. IDK. They were close. But Jimmy didn't really have a lot of options. It was a bit of a low for him and he wanted his own team. Not a lot of people were looking to build around Jimmy and Philly wouldn't throw him the fifth year.

I just don't the right word for Riley is beloved. He's much more respected for the greatness and excellence and culture. He's much more of a Bill Bellicheck. That's all I was trying to say. I think guys like Pop, Busse and such are beloved.

[MrFortune3]

Yeah, here is what Wade said after he got offered 10 million..... didn't he get like 50 mill guaranteed and Denver offered even more?



Kinda weird it blew up so quickly don't you think? Apparently Wade didn't even get a call after 13 years and titles.

You'll notice he mentions that's not the Pat he knows. He still went back and finished his career with the Heat and actively helped them land Jimmy.

He went back and retired in their jersey. Guess what, we have a player that accused the medical staff of trying of nearly killing him and abandoning him and then calling it the flu, followed by a terrible contract break down and quick dump after a low ball offer...... and Deng still retired a Bull........

And we had Pete Myers, Randy Brown and John Paxson in the org forever with Grant and Pip as advisors. Teams have former players.

Maybe Wade pointed Butler toward the heat. IDK. They were close. But Jimmy didn't really have a lot of options. It was a bit of a low for him and he wanted his own team. Not a lot of people were looking to build around Jimmy and Philly wouldn't throw him the fifth year.

I just don't the right word for Riley is beloved. He's much more respected for the greatness and excellence and culture. He's much more of a Bill Bellicheck. That's all I was trying to say. I think guys like Pop, Busse and such are beloved.

https://www.theplayerstribune.com/posts/gary-payton-miami-heat-nba-finals

[Grodoboldo]

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@PompeyOnSixers: Former #Sixers assistant John Bryant has opted to take a position with the #Chicago #Bulls, according to sources. Sorry about the confusion.

[PhilLeotardo]

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@PompeyOnSixers: Former #Sixers assistant John Bryant has opted to take a position with the #Chicago #Bulls, according to sources. Sorry about the confusion.

I think I can safely speak for everyone when I say, the real question on all of our minds, is: what really is the difference between John Bryant & Rudy Tomjanovich? Besides, you know....the win %? Because honestly, I really truly can’t spot any differences between the two of them. Besides the wins

Can someone help me out ?

[Grodoboldo]

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@PompeyOnSixers: Former #Sixers assistant John Bryant has opted to take a position with the #Chicago #Bulls, according to sources. Sorry about the confusion.

I think I can safely speak for everyone when I say, the real question on all of our minds, is: what really is the difference between John Bryant & Rudy Tomjanovich? Besides, you know....the win %? Because honestly, I really truly can’t spot any differences between the two of them. Besides the wins

Can someone help me out ?

Who knows? TBH, assistant coaching Jobs must have quite a significant relationship component to them, right? Maybe Donovan likes this guy more.
Anyway, at least we appear to be expanding in this players development department, so that's something.

[Chi town]

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@PompeyOnSixers: Former #Sixers assistant John Bryant has opted to take a position with the #Chicago #Bulls, according to sources. Sorry about the confusion.

Player development background. I like what Billy and Ak are doing

[MrFortune3]

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@PompeyOnSixers: Former #Sixers assistant John Bryant has opted to take a position with the #Chicago #Bulls, according to sources. Sorry about the confusion.

I have to say, they were not kidding around about focusing on player development.

[StunnerKO]

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[MightyRiver]

So do the Bulls just get the leftover coaches that no one else wanted? It seems most of the other teams that got new head coaches are filling out their staff with experienced coaches but the best the Bulls can do is a former player dev coach.