Official 2020 NBA Draft Thread

[KillMonger]

I'd hate to see Vuc go, but he deserves a chance to win a championship.

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ive never understood this statement. Why exactly does he deserve a chance to win a championship?

Loyalty to a team he didn't have to stay with. An All-Star that's still in his prime. One of a handful of All-Star caliber players that loves us genuinely. Only Jameer and Nick Anderson are similar to him.

He definitely deserves a chance at rings and I would cheer him on. The 4 players that have made me fans of theirs for life that are still in the league are Redick, Oladipo, Vuc, and Isaac. I wish all 4 unlimited success wherever they go.

i agree with this, don't see how hard this is to understand

[Bensational]

We did Vuc the favour of giving him a lead role that no other team would have, and then a giant f-ing contract. We don't owe him a thing, especially any benefit of trading him to a contender. He can chase rings on his own dime when his current contract is up. If we trade him it needs to be in our best interest, not his. If those two happen to align, then even better.

[Ducklett]

ive never understood this statement. Why exactly does he deserve a chance to win a championship?

Loyalty to a team he didn't have to stay with. An All-Star that's still in his prime. One of a handful of All-Star caliber players that loves us genuinely. Only Jameer and Nick Anderson are similar to him.

He definitely deserves a chance at rings and I would cheer him on. The 4 players that have made me fans of theirs for life that are still in the league are Redick, Oladipo, Vuc, and Isaac. I wish all 4 unlimited success wherever they go.

i agree with this, don't see how hard this is to understand

Tiderulz is a player hater going way back

[tiderulz]

Loyalty to a team he didn't have to stay with. An All-Star that's still in his prime. One of a handful of All-Star caliber players that loves us genuinely. Only Jameer and Nick Anderson are similar to him.

He definitely deserves a chance at rings and I would cheer him on. The 4 players that have made me fans of theirs for life that are still in the league are Redick, Oladipo, Vuc, and Isaac. I wish all 4 unlimited success wherever they go.

i agree with this, don't see how hard this is to understand

Tiderulz is a player hater going way back

i am?

[tiderulz]

We did Vuc the favour of giving him a lead role that no other team would have, and then a giant f-ing contract. We don't owe him a thing, especially any benefit of trading him to a contender. He can chase rings on his own dime when his current contract is up. If we trade him it needs to be in our best interest, not his. If those two happen to align, then even better.

i will say, he did take a team favorable contract the first time around. And didnt bitch and moan like some players would have done about re-negotiating it.

[Ducklett]

i agree with this, don't see how hard this is to understand

Tiderulz is a player hater going way back

i am?

Yeah man. You, Ice-T, Pit Bull, Buc Nasty (RIP miss you man), Beautiful, Mr. Roboto and Silky Johnson.

[Xatticus]

I would not pick Wiseman at 2 if the Magic were to acquire that pick.

I'm still undecided on who exactly I would choose in that scenario, but it would be one of Ball, Edwards, Haliburton or Hayes.

I’d be inclined to move down. If we stayed at 2, I’d take Wiseman. His ceiling is high. He will be defensive anchor, he will be good rebounder, he will block shots, and he gets up and down the court very well. I love how he boxes out and how he seals when he gets position. That tells me he is coachable. That’s not glamour stuff. I’d feel a lot better if he spent a year under Calipari.

Ball has so many bad habits and deficiencies. You have to love his ability to see the floor and create, but I expect he will frustrate with his shortcomings. When someone has so many bad habits, you have wonder how coachable they are.

I think if you plan to take someone other than the top 3, then you have to look for extra value. Someone is going to want to move up.

[Xatticus]

Why are people saying that trading Vuc for Wiggins + Wiseman is a good idea? We should be moving away from a big man run offense entirely. We just selected Bamba #6.

Trading for an unproven prospect on a rookie deal for a fringe all star, that does what he projects doing in an ideal outcome, seems like it misses the point of trading up in the first place.

Every time Orlando gets a top pick they spend it on a big. Infuriating. Mario Hezonja was the last modern top pick we used for someone that wasn’t a big. Before that? Oladipo. Can we learn our lesson for once?

You aren’t picking him to be your focal point on offense. There is still tremendous value in having an elite defender and rebounder at the five. He’d provide good offensive value if he can set good screens in the pick and roll and dive to the basket. He can win you extra possessions on the offensive glass and his rim running will get him some easy finishes. The rest of his offense is just projection at this point, but you can see the potential for more. He isn’t awkward or ungainly. He will pile up stats.

The real question is going to be about just how good he will be defensively. Can he switch onto smaller guys and defend in space? How good will he be at evaluating threats and reading the offense?

The fit with Bamba is sketchy, but if he can defend in space like Anthony Davis, then you have no issues. I want some playmaking in this draft regardless, but I’m just not enamored with the playmakers at the top of this draft. Playmakers are going to be available throughout this draft, but guys with Wiseman’s physical profile come along once every five or ten years.

[Howard Mass]

I really like this Draft for The Magic at #15.

There are a lot of solid players that will be available and I have a few favorites.

[VFX]

Why are people saying that trading Vuc for Wiggins + Wiseman is a good idea? We should be moving away from a big man run offense entirely. We just selected Bamba #6.

Trading for an unproven prospect on a rookie deal for a fringe all star, that does what he projects doing in an ideal outcome, seems like it misses the point of trading up in the first place.

Every time Orlando gets a top pick they spend it on a big. Infuriating. Mario Hezonja was the last modern top pick we used for someone that wasn’t a big. Before that? Oladipo. Can we learn our lesson for once?

You aren’t picking him to be your focal point on offense. There is still tremendous value in having an elite defender and rebounder at the five. He’d provide good offensive value if he can set good screens in the pick and roll and dive to the basket. He can win you extra possessions on the offensive glass and his rim running will get him some easy finishes. The rest of his offense is just projection at this point, but you can see the potential for more. He isn’t awkward or ungainly. He will pile up stats.

The real question is going to be about just how good he will be defensively. Can he switch onto smaller guys and defend in space? How good will he be at evaluating threats and reading the offense?

The fit with Bamba is sketchy, but if he can defend in space like Anthony Davis, then you have no issues. I want some playmaking in this draft regardless, but I’m just not enamored with the playmakers at the top of this draft. Playmakers are going to be available throughout this draft, but guys with Wiseman’s physical profile come along once every five or ten years.

Not saying Wiseman couldn’t become a decent player for Orlando. I think I’d just like to see us move in a more modern direction offensively and try and pick up a playmaker in the open court for once.

I also don’t think I could get on board with the FO taking back to back Centers with top lottery picks within a 3 year window, at least not with the glaring weaknesses that have existed for what seems like forever.

Maybe I’m just higher on Hayes, Avdija, and to a lesser extent Haliburton more than others.

[zaymon]

Why are people saying that trading Vuc for Wiggins + Wiseman is a good idea? We should be moving away from a big man run offense entirely. We just selected Bamba #6.

Trading for an unproven prospect on a rookie deal for a fringe all star, that does what he projects doing in an ideal outcome, seems like it misses the point of trading up in the first place.

Every time Orlando gets a top pick they spend it on a big. Infuriating. Mario Hezonja was the last modern top pick we used for someone that wasn’t a big. Before that? Oladipo. Can we learn our lesson for once?

You aren’t picking him to be your focal point on offense. There is still tremendous value in having an elite defender and rebounder at the five. He’d provide good offensive value if he can set good screens in the pick and roll and dive to the basket. He can win you extra possessions on the offensive glass and his rim running will get him some easy finishes. The rest of his offense is just projection at this point, but you can see the potential for more. He isn’t awkward or ungainly. He will pile up stats.

The real question is going to be about just how good he will be defensively. Can he switch onto smaller guys and defend in space? How good will he be at evaluating threats and reading the offense?

The fit with Bamba is sketchy, but if he can defend in space like Anthony Davis, then you have no issues. I want some playmaking in this draft regardless, but I’m just not enamored with the playmakers at the top of this draft. Playmakers are going to be available throughout this draft, but guys with Wiseman’s physical profile come along once every five or ten years.

Wiseman is not similar to Anthony Davis, Adebayo or even Ayton, he is similar to Whiteside, Deandre Jordan.

He most likely wont be able to defend in space, his awareness is average at best. He is slow decision maker on both sides. No post game. Limited shooter. Mechanical handle. No passing ability.

Seems like similar prospect to Bamba, just more developed physically at the moment.

I dont know i just dont see it in him, but reports say he is killing it in workouts. How valueable is really a runner/screener on one side and drop big on other ?

[pepe1991]

Who da *** thinks Wiseman is good defender?
Guy is craptastic pick&roll defenders, eats pumpfakes like prime McGee, has poor awarness and just relies on his lenght and size to bail him out.

He is big body, strong player, but not really elite athlete, tends to move slowly latherally.
Pretty much poor man's Ayton as prospect.

[pepe1991]

We did Vuc the favour of giving him a lead role that no other team would have, and then a giant f-ing contract. We don't owe him a thing, especially any benefit of trading him to a contender. He can chase rings on his own dime when his current contract is up. If we trade him it needs to be in our best interest, not his. If those two happen to align, then even better.

Without Vuc, team would look at longest eastern conference playoff drought and 3rd longest in nba.
So what you own him? Well he made you not look like Kings, Knicks and Suns, laughing stocks of nba.

And all this happend before he re-signed, witch made him first allstar since i can't even remember who was last Magic allstar who didn't run away as soon as he could?

[Rayshard7]

I would not pick Wiseman at 2 if the Magic were to acquire that pick.

I'm still undecided on who exactly I would choose in that scenario, but it would be one of Ball, Edwards, Haliburton or Hayes.

I admit that I don't know much about this draft, but out of all of those players, the only ones that interest me are Edwards, and Wiseman. Mostly only Edwards. But I do not like Ball even a little bit. Haliburton seems to be just a shooter and nothing else from what I understand. I don't know anything about Hayes.

If we were to stay at 15 though, Patrick Williams does intrigue me a little bit. I saw him on a mock draft for us and I wouldn't mind the pick. My main issue with it is that he's yet another forward. But we will probably be moving Gordon soon anyway, and Isaac is down for the season, so it wouldn't be the worst pick.

Haliburton is a great all around player who is a great defender, rebounder, passer and gets in the passing lanes he is like the Warriors Iggy but at the guard spot just an elite role player with great size for a combo guard at 6'5.

Tyrese Maxey, Theo Maledon, RJ Hampton, Patrick Williams, Cole Anthony, Kira Lewis Jr will all be solid picks at 15.

Edwards gives me Wiggins vibes doesnt do the small stuff that wins games and is an inefficient volume scorer who doesn't even move without the ball or show much effort on defense. LaMelo Ball reminds me of a super J Will at 6'7 he would be a great player to gamble on and would give us a elite playmaker.

[Bensational]

We did Vuc the favour of giving him a lead role that no other team would have, and then a giant f-ing contract. We don't owe him a thing, especially any benefit of trading him to a contender. He can chase rings on his own dime when his current contract is up. If we trade him it needs to be in our best interest, not his. If those two happen to align, then even better.

Without Vuc, team would look at longest eastern conference playoff drought and 3rd longest in nba.
So what you own him? Well he made you not look like Kings, Knicks and Suns, laughing stocks of nba.

And all this happend before he re-signed, witch made him first allstar since i can't even remember who was last Magic allstar who didn't run away as soon as he could?

So without Vuc we might have ended up with someone like Doncic? Why would that be a problem? Who would you rather have? What favours do we owe Vuc for missing out on him?

[pepe1991]

We did Vuc the favour of giving him a lead role that no other team would have, and then a giant f-ing contract. We don't owe him a thing, especially any benefit of trading him to a contender. He can chase rings on his own dime when his current contract is up. If we trade him it needs to be in our best interest, not his. If those two happen to align, then even better.

Without Vuc, team would look at longest eastern conference playoff drought and 3rd longest in nba.
So what you own him? Well he made you not look like Kings, Knicks and Suns, laughing stocks of nba.

And all this happend before he re-signed, witch made him first allstar since i can't even remember who was last Magic allstar who didn't run away as soon as he could?

So without Vuc we might have ended up with someone like Doncic? Why would that be a problem? Who would you rather have? What favours do we owe Vuc for missing out on him?

This is factually false, team that indeed had better odds than Dallas and Atlanta ( sweepstakes for Young and Doncic) were Memphis. They had 19,8% odds of winning lottery and 55,8% odds of being inside top 3 picks.
But they fell at 4th and missed on both.

HOWEVER, if Magic won 27 instad of 25 games, they would have same amount of wins as Kings, who they had split series with, so Magic would have been 50% of odds away from 2# pick from 2018 and ability to be in position to draft both Young and Young.

This hindsight halfa*** projections are waste of time. if Magic didn't contend with fool's gold Howard in 2011 and started rebuild in 2011 instad of waiting to host allstar game with Howard in 2012, they would have been in position to draft Anthony Davis and Irving, instad of being super bad during worst draft of a decade....

Or they could do that and end up with Derick WIlliams and Kid Gilchrist. Who knows. However you slice, it's waste of time to think that way.
Magic would probably pass on Doncic even if they had ability to take him. He is everything this front office doesn't like. Short limbs, not athletic, has BBIQ and basketball skills. They prefer long, without skills.

[Xatticus]

Who da *** thinks Wiseman is good defender?
Guy is craptastic pick&roll defenders, eats pumpfakes like prime McGee, has poor awarness and just relies on his lenght and size to bail him out.

He is big body, strong player, but not really elite athlete, tends to move slowly latherally.
Pretty much poor man's Ayton as prospect.

He's no Vucevic. But then... who is?

[pepe1991]

Who da *** thinks Wiseman is good defender?
Guy is craptastic pick&roll defenders, eats pumpfakes like prime McGee, has poor awarness and just relies on his lenght and size to bail him out.

He is big body, strong player, but not really elite athlete, tends to move slowly latherally.
Pretty much poor man's Ayton as prospect.

He's no Vucevic. But then... who is?

No jumpshot, rim running C, with poor discipline, poor pick&roll defense, being one of worst passing centers in college history, no floor vision, no ballhandling skills is just what doctor ordered for 1# pick.

But just like every good salesman, wait! There is more!

There has to be some understanding of your own offensive strengths and Wiseman’s habits don’t suggest he knows who he truly is. In 21 EYBL games between April 2018 and July 2018, he averaged 15.2 points on 52.7 percent true shooting. Such low efficiency and raw scoring output is concerning for a player wielding NBA-caliber size and length. Take a look at how his efficiency compares to some other bigs:
Shooting projection is a significant and worthwhile exercise for prospects. It’s fair to look at Wiseman’s indicators and wonder if his confidence is simply ahead of his development as a shooter. Across that same string of EYBL games, he went 56-of-101 (55.4 percent) from the free-throw line and 4-of-27 (14.8 percent) from 3-point range. Neither number suggests a forthcoming evolution.

Instad of being snarky for no reason, and bu**hurt and cought in feelings about debate on other thread, you are yet to say single objective, good reason why Wiseman, rim running center, with robotic post moves, no vision, no jumpshot should be 1# pick.

Guy's comparison is Deandre Jordan. Guy who never was top 40 player in nba. Who would never be more than backup C if he didn't have luxury to play with top 8 PG of all time for vast majority of his career in Chris Paul.
His probably most objective comparison is Andre Drummond in better shape. This is ceiling. Floor is taller Biyombo.

Main reason why Wolves, Warriors among others are getting rid of their 2020 picks is because it's clear as a day that this draft has soooo little talent. This is like 2013 and debates who is better, Otto Porter, Oladipo, Noel, Zeller or Alex Len. Nobody cares. 7 years later non of them is top 30 player.

[Knightro]

I don’t dislike Wiseman. I think he’s clearly a top 10 talent in this draft.

But just looking at it strictly from the Magic’s perspective, I just don’t see Wiseman a remarkably better prospect than Bamba was two years ago.

I also don’t believe they can share the floor, so it would be an either or scenario in my eyes.

When you factor in that Mo has bulked up now, I don’t see a huge difference between the two anymore. At least not enough for me to go with Wiseman over one of the guards at the top.

[Knightro]

I’d be inclined to move down.

I think if you plan to take someone other than the top 3, then you have to look for extra value. Someone is going to want to move up.

So something like...

Vucevic and 15 for Wiggins and 2.

Then 2 to the Knicks (who’d be coming up for Ball) for 8 and Mitchell Robinson? 8 and RJ Barrett?