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2020 Presidential Election Thread: The Homestretch

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Re: 2020 Presidential Election Thread: The Homestretch 

Post#1821 » by HarthorneWingo » Sat Oct 24, 2020 4:19 am

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It's unbelievable.

Over 60% of Biden voters are voting early. Over 50% of Trump's voters are voting on Election Day according to a poll I saw on MSNBC tonight.


I'm voting early in person on Sunday in NYC. My wife has never voted for a president before and she is voting in this election as well. Up until a few days ago I was truly on the fence between voting Biden or 3rd party, but I was ultimately convinced to vote for Biden as bad as I hate to do it, it has to be done. Spite will be my primary motivation. :lol:


I hear you, brother, but I think we're making the right decision. We get the ship turned around and heading back in the right direction and we continue the fight. But those fights will be about "How much?" and not "Whether or not ..." Midterm elections season will be just around the corner and then, before you know it, we'll be looking at 2024 and moving forward on building a progressive movement. There's really no choice in the matter once we have all three chambers of government. We have to take back the moral authority and the leader in detente and negotiation. Other countries look to us for that, for better or worse. We see it now where the more authoritative governments are mimicking Trump's propaganda against the media so that the people won't believe its attacks. We'll to patch our relationships with our allies and Biden is a known quantity to them and, I believe, that they trust him. Very important. And yada, yada, yada ...
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election Thread: The Homestretch 

Post#1822 » by robillionaire » Sat Oct 24, 2020 4:25 am

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It's unbelievable.

Over 60% of Biden voters are voting early. Over 50% of Trump's voters are voting on Election Day according to a poll I saw on MSNBC tonight.


I'm voting early in person on Sunday in NYC. My wife has never voted for a president before and she is voting in this election as well. Up until a few days ago I was truly on the fence between voting Biden or 3rd party, but I was ultimately convinced to vote for Biden as bad as I hate to do it, it has to be done. Spite will be my primary motivation. :lol:


I hear you, brother, but I think we're making the right decision. We get the ship turned around and heading back in the right direction and we continue the fight. But those fights will be about "How much?" and not "Whether or not ..." Midterm elections season will be just around the corner and then, before you know it, we'll be looking at 2024 and moving forward on building a progressive movement. There's really no choice in the matter once we have all three chambers of government. We have to take back the moral authority and the leader in detente and negotiation. Other countries look to us for that, for better or worse. We see it now where the more authoritative governments are mimicking Trump's propaganda against the media so that the people won't believe its attacks. We'll to patch our relationships with our allies and Biden is a known quantity to them and, I believe, that they trust him. Very important. And yada, yada, yada ...


I don't look at it so much as heading back in the right direction as slowing down the bullet train in the wrong direction from 100mph to maybe 20mph. But at least we can buy ourselves a bit more time. Look I will never, ever, believe that Biden will be moved to the left. But I was thinking, this vote that I'm going to cast, this could actually be the last time I ever get to vote. This country might be done in 4 years. If nothing else do it for the sake of nostalgia so you can say, hey, we used to vote, I participated in the last election!
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election Thread: The Homestretch 

Post#1823 » by GONYK » Sat Oct 24, 2020 4:37 am

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I don't have a source on this, but I believe that Trump is going to have to focus on Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Ohio.

Clyde has Florida under control.


Trump has all but given up in Michigan and Wisconsin. He’s going to double down Pennsylvania because that’s the one swing state he can’t afford to lose. The strategy is to protect Pennsylvania, Arizona, North Carolina, Florida especially and pray that Ohio, Georgia, Iowa or God forbid Texas doesn’t go the wrong way for him.


I think MN is pretty safely in the Biden column as well.

If Biden wins AZ as well as those rust belt states, it's more or less a wrap. He doesn't even need FL or PA.

If Biden wins MI, MN, and WI, he's definitely winning PA though.
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election Thread: The Homestretch 

Post#1824 » by HarthorneWingo » Sat Oct 24, 2020 4:44 am

Keith is back. Worst Person In The World! haha

POST-DEBATE KEITH

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Re: 2020 Presidential Election Thread: The Homestretch 

Post#1825 » by robillionaire » Sat Oct 24, 2020 5:32 am

HarthorneWingo wrote:Keith is back. Worst Person In The World! haha

POST-DEBATE KEITH



I still miss when he was on sportscenter
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election Thread: The Homestretch 

Post#1826 » by HarthorneWingo » Sat Oct 24, 2020 5:34 am

robillionaire wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:Keith is back. Worst Person In The World! haha

POST-DEBATE KEITH



I still miss when he was on sportscenter


I watched him every night on MSNBC during the Bush years. The republicans hated his guts. :lol:
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election Thread: The Homestretch 

Post#1827 » by Pointgod » Sat Oct 24, 2020 6:00 am

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Pointgod wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:
I don't have a source on this, but I believe that Trump is going to have to focus on Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Ohio.

Clyde has Florida under control.


Trump has all but given up in Michigan and Wisconsin. He’s going to double down Pennsylvania because that’s the one swing state he can’t afford to lose. The strategy is to protect Pennsylvania, Arizona, North Carolina, Florida especially and pray that Ohio, Georgia, Iowa or God forbid Texas doesn’t go the wrong way for him.


It's not a terrible strategy, but I don't think there's any other option


Yeah it makes sense based on the horrible campaign he’s run and the fact that he’s low on money. He’s banking on voter suppression, misinformation and the courts to carry him the rest of the way.
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election Thread: The Homestretch 

Post#1828 » by Pointgod » Sat Oct 24, 2020 6:04 am

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Pointgod wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:
I don't have a source on this, but I believe that Trump is going to have to focus on Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Ohio.

Clyde has Florida under control.


Trump has all but given up in Michigan and Wisconsin. He’s going to double down Pennsylvania because that’s the one swing state he can’t afford to lose. The strategy is to protect Pennsylvania, Arizona, North Carolina, Florida especially and pray that Ohio, Georgia, Iowa or God forbid Texas doesn’t go the wrong way for him.


I think MN is pretty safely in the Biden column as well.

If Biden wins AZ as well as those rust belt states, it's more or less a wrap. He doesn't even need FL or PA.

If Biden wins MI, MN, and WI, he's definitely winning PA though.


There’s a lot of lanes open for Biden in this election. And that’s not even counting the possibility of a weird state going Biden like Indiana did for Obama in 2008.
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election Thread: The Homestretch 

Post#1829 » by Knick4Real » Sat Oct 24, 2020 7:53 am

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Also most people are fed up with the Corona restrictions and are well and ready to get back to living. The public has had enough. Let the sickly and elderly stay inside but it's time for the rest of us to get back to normal.

You can vote for Biden who is on board with restricting more or vote for Trump and get back to a normal life and live with a certain amount of danger like we always do when some new bug comes prancing around.

Biden is done. With all of his now public corruption even if he won he would never be sworn in as president. Too much of a national security risk.


I'm an Internal Medicine Physician. I have a feeling you have no background in the healthcare profession whatsoever. You clearly don't understand the virus and the complications that can arise in every age demographic and those with past medical histories and comorbidities. Someone with asthma can be hit hard by it, it's not just autoimmune disease processes like Diabetes Mellitus, exacerbation of COPD, recent surgery, recent cancer diagnosis (or subsequent treatment with chemotherapy and or/radiation that depletes one's immune system) or just the elderly population. This virus doesn't discriminate on age groups or severity of one's comorbidities. But based off your posts I know you don't have a modicum of understanding to any of this.

I've seen children being put on mechanical ventilation so there goes trump's absurd claim about kids not getting it because of their strong immune system. What that idiot doesn't know- as I'm sure you don't either- is that kids have a developing immune system that isn't fully developed until much later. Same as with your internal organs- you think the size of a 5 year old kids heart is the same as a 25 year old persons?

Sure, get back to a normal life and just play Russian Roulette with your health. Myopic and uneducated viewpoints such as the one you're spewing is the reason nearly a quarter million people are dead. Now he's trying to fast track medications that are already trying to be expedited way too quickly through 3 clinical trials before FDA approval which normally takes 7-10 years for any other pharmaceutical agent to be regulated and approved prior to mass distribution. Obviously this pandemic is such an exceptional situation thus I understand the reason for wanting to be steadfast, but people are forgetting the statistics aren't proven yet on these medications efficaciousness, and side effect profiles. They need to go through a series of test to prove their efficiency followed by a double blinded randomized trial of a large sample size to corroborate they work effectively and that the benefits outweigh the side effects.

I'm going to stop now since I know I'm wasting my time posting towards your nonsensical drivel. Good luck with resuming your "normal" life.


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Re: 2020 Presidential Election Thread: The Homestretch 

Post#1830 » by Thepaintismine » Sat Oct 24, 2020 8:19 am

Yo, this is gonna influence the vote biggy. I see no way Biden can overcome the falling black support. That 94' crime bill did him in.
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election Thread: The Homestretch 

Post#1831 » by Paija » Sat Oct 24, 2020 10:29 am

Clyde_Style wrote:
robillionaire wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:
The middle of the country up through the Dakotas are getting hammered. Following their leader, the Orange Pied Piper, off the cliff.


The sad thing is that they will take many innocent people over the cliff with them.


I've never gotten a flu shot in my life. Contemplating it now.

Anybody else here with that consideration?


Well, I do not know about the flu shot supply in your state/country, but in Latvia they are almost out of the flu shots reserved for seniors (my mother did one and paid less than 2 eur, because she got prescription from her physician). But at that time there were almost no doses left in Riga and you had to buy it in regions. The problem is that they produce these vaccines a year in advance according to forecasted demand. And now you cannot just produce more.
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election Thread: The Homestretch 

Post#1832 » by BallSacBounce » Sat Oct 24, 2020 3:21 pm

Knick4Real wrote:
Cookies4Life wrote:
BallSacBounce wrote:Some debate highlights.

For your pleasure.

Read on Twitter



Also most people are fed up with the Corona restrictions and are well and ready to get back to living. The public has had enough. Let the sickly and elderly stay inside but it's time for the rest of us to get back to normal.

You can vote for Biden who is on board with restricting more or vote for Trump and get back to a normal life and live with a certain amount of danger like we always do when some new bug comes prancing around.

Biden is done. With all of his now public corruption even if he won he would never be sworn in as president. Too much of a national security risk.


I'm an Internal Medicine Physician. I have a feeling you have no background in the healthcare profession whatsoever. You clearly don't understand the virus and the complications that can arise in every age demographic and those with past medical histories and comorbidities. Someone with asthma can be hit hard by it, it's not just autoimmune disease processes like Diabetes Mellitus, exacerbation of COPD, recent surgery, recent cancer diagnosis (or subsequent treatment with chemotherapy and or/radiation that depletes one's immune system) or just the elderly population. This virus doesn't discriminate on age groups or severity of one's comorbidities. But based off your posts I know you don't have a modicum of understanding to any of this.

I've seen children being put on mechanical ventilation so there goes trump's absurd claim about kids not getting it because of their strong immune system. What that idiot doesn't know- as I'm sure you don't either- is that kids have a developing immune system that isn't fully developed until much later. Same as with your internal organs- you think the size of a 5 year old kids heart is the same as a 25 year old persons?

Sure, get back to a normal life and just play Russian Roulette with your health. Myopic and uneducated viewpoints such as the one you're spewing is the reason nearly a quarter million people are dead. Now he's trying to fast track medications that are already trying to be expedited way too quickly through 3 clinical trials before FDA approval which normally takes 7-10 years for any other pharmaceutical agent to be regulated and approved prior to mass distribution. Obviously this pandemic is such an exceptional situation thus I understand the reason for wanting to be steadfast, but people are forgetting the statistics aren't proven yet on these medications efficaciousness, and side effect profiles. They need to go through a series of test to prove their efficiency followed by a double blinded randomized trial of a large sample size to corroborate they work effectively and that the benefits outweigh the side effects.

I'm going to stop now since I know I'm wasting my time posting towards your nonsensical drivel. Good luck with resuming your "normal" life.


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And that's not even subtracting out comorbidities which if you have I said you should stay hone. Fact is younger people have very little reason to worry.

Let's see what happens when we subtract out comorbidities shall we?

CDC: 94% of Covid-19 deaths had underlying medical conditions

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/cdc-94percent-of-covid-19-deaths-had-underlying-medical-conditions/ar-BB18wrA7

According to the CDC 9683 died in the United States with only having COVID-19 listed on their death certificate.


Oh wow well will you look at that. That 200,000 is now 9,683 if you don't have any underlying health issues. This just isn't that big of a deal unless you are elderly and/or have underlying health issues. Usually for the elderly they do.

I couldn't give a **** less about it.
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election Thread: The Homestretch 

Post#1833 » by robillionaire » Sat Oct 24, 2020 3:45 pm

BallSacBounce wrote:
Knick4Real wrote:
Cookies4Life wrote:
I'm an Internal Medicine Physician. I have a feeling you have no background in the healthcare profession whatsoever. You clearly don't understand the virus and the complications that can arise in every age demographic and those with past medical histories and comorbidities. Someone with asthma can be hit hard by it, it's not just autoimmune disease processes like Diabetes Mellitus, exacerbation of COPD, recent surgery, recent cancer diagnosis (or subsequent treatment with chemotherapy and or/radiation that depletes one's immune system) or just the elderly population. This virus doesn't discriminate on age groups or severity of one's comorbidities. But based off your posts I know you don't have a modicum of understanding to any of this.

I've seen children being put on mechanical ventilation so there goes trump's absurd claim about kids not getting it because of their strong immune system. What that idiot doesn't know- as I'm sure you don't either- is that kids have a developing immune system that isn't fully developed until much later. Same as with your internal organs- you think the size of a 5 year old kids heart is the same as a 25 year old persons?

Sure, get back to a normal life and just play Russian Roulette with your health. Myopic and uneducated viewpoints such as the one you're spewing is the reason nearly a quarter million people are dead. Now he's trying to fast track medications that are already trying to be expedited way too quickly through 3 clinical trials before FDA approval which normally takes 7-10 years for any other pharmaceutical agent to be regulated and approved prior to mass distribution. Obviously this pandemic is such an exceptional situation thus I understand the reason for wanting to be steadfast, but people are forgetting the statistics aren't proven yet on these medications efficaciousness, and side effect profiles. They need to go through a series of test to prove their efficiency followed by a double blinded randomized trial of a large sample size to corroborate they work effectively and that the benefits outweigh the side effects.

I'm going to stop now since I know I'm wasting my time posting towards your nonsensical drivel. Good luck with resuming your "normal" life.


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It's because of ignorant hysterical knuckleheads like you two that we still haven't gotten back to normal.

Read on Twitter


And that's not even subtracting out comorbidities which if you have I said you should stay hone. Fact is younger people have very little reason to worry.

Let's see what happens when we subtract out comorbidities shall we?

CDC: 94% of Covid-19 deaths had underlying medical conditions

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/cdc-94percent-of-covid-19-deaths-had-underlying-medical-conditions/ar-BB18wrA7

According to the CDC 9683 died in the United States with only having COVID-19 listed on their death certificate.


Oh wow well will you look at that. That 200,000 is now 9,683 if you don't have any underlying health issues. This just isn't that big of a deal unless you are elderly and/or have underlying health issues. Usually for the elderly they do.

I couldn't give a **** less about it.


The thing they need to worry about is getting it and then spreading it to other people who have a lot more to worry about. Of course this requires the capacity to care about the other people around you in society which is a trait that republicans do not have
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election Thread: The Homestretch 

Post#1834 » by Pointgod » Sat Oct 24, 2020 4:26 pm

BallSacBounce wrote:
Cookies4Life wrote:
BallSacBounce wrote:Some debate highlights.

For your pleasure.

Read on Twitter



Also most people are fed up with the Corona restrictions and are well and ready to get back to living. The public has had enough. Let the sickly and elderly stay inside but it's time for the rest of us to get back to normal.

You can vote for Biden who is on board with restricting more or vote for Trump and get back to a normal life and live with a certain amount of danger like we always do when some new bug comes prancing around.

Biden is done. With all of his now public corruption even if he won he would never be sworn in as president. Too much of a national security risk.


I'm an Internal Medicine Physician. I have a feeling you have no background in the healthcare profession whatsoever. You clearly don't understand the virus and the complications that can arise in every age demographic and those with past medical histories and comorbidities. Someone with asthma can be hit hard by it, it's not just autoimmune disease processes like Diabetes Mellitus, exacerbation of COPD, recent surgery, recent cancer diagnosis (or subsequent treatment with chemotherapy and or/radiation that depletes one's immune system) or just the elderly population. This virus doesn't discriminate on age groups or severity of one's comorbidities. But based off your posts I know you don't have a modicum of understanding to any of this.

I've seen children being put on mechanical ventilation so there goes trump's absurd claim about kids not getting it because of their strong immune system. What that idiot doesn't know- as I'm sure you don't either- is that kids have a developing immune system that isn't fully developed until much later. Same as with your internal organs- you think the size of a 5 year old kids heart is the same as a 25 year old persons?

Sure, get back to a normal life and just play Russian Roulette with your health. Myopic and uneducated viewpoints such as the one you're spewing is the reason nearly a quarter million people are dead. Now he's trying to fast track medications that are already trying to be expedited way too quickly through 3 clinical trials before FDA approval which normally takes 7-10 years for any other pharmaceutical agent to be regulated and approved prior to mass distribution. Obviously this pandemic is such an exceptional situation thus I understand the reason for wanting to be steadfast, but people are forgetting the statistics aren't proven yet on these medications efficaciousness, and side effect profiles. They need to go through a series of test to prove their efficiency followed by a double blinded randomized trial of a large sample size to corroborate they work effectively and that the benefits outweigh the side effects.

I'm going to stop now since I know I'm wasting my time posting towards your nonsensical drivel. Good luck with resuming your "normal" life.



I'm inside in crowded public places every day and could not give less of a **** about this virus.any.more than I would a very bad flu season. We've had 100,000 plus dead from the flu before.

I don't have any health issues. The people that do or the elderly sure go ahead and stay inside no one is trying to stop them.

Fact is this has a very low fatality rate for younger folks and is skewed more so than the flu towards the elderly. If you knew anything at all about this virus you would at least know that. The rest of us can go out and play.


Listen dude. For your own good take the virus seriously. Don’t listen to the right wing media and sources like Breitbart for this. Wear a **** mask and follow the guidelines of your state and city, then be extra careful. No one is saying you need to be a hermit, but for your own safety and the safety of others take it seriously. I know two people who’ve had it. Both young and one will have **** up health problems the rest of their life. Focusing on death completely misses the point.
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election Thread: The Homestretch 

Post#1835 » by BallSacBounce » Sat Oct 24, 2020 4:49 pm

robillionaire wrote:
BallSacBounce wrote:
Knick4Real wrote:
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It's because of ignorant hysterical knuckleheads like you two that we still haven't gotten back to normal.

Read on Twitter


And that's not even subtracting out comorbidities which if you have I said you should stay hone. Fact is younger people have very little reason to worry.

Let's see what happens when we subtract out comorbidities shall we?

CDC: 94% of Covid-19 deaths had underlying medical conditions

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/cdc-94percent-of-covid-19-deaths-had-underlying-medical-conditions/ar-BB18wrA7

According to the CDC 9683 died in the United States with only having COVID-19 listed on their death certificate.


Oh wow well will you look at that. That 200,000 is now 9,683 if you don't have any underlying health issues. This just isn't that big of a deal unless you are elderly and/or have underlying health issues. Usually for the elderly they do.

I couldn't give a **** less about it.


The thing they need to worry about is getting it and then spreading it to other people who have a lot more to worry about. Of course this requires the capacity to care about the other people around you in society which is a trait that republicans do not have

No the thing to do is keep the old and infirm inside and let the young people out and about to build herd immunity so everyone else doesn't have to worry about it. It's what we've done with every other pandemic in our country's history. People have to work and pay rent and feed themselves you don't just stop everything that is **** (Please Use More Appropriate Word).

Of course this requires a capacity to think through situations and figure out an optimal solution which is a trait Democrats do not have. Instead we get an emotional media driven PANIC!!!!
OMG, OMG, OMG!!!!

But anyone who was paying attention like I was in the early stages of this **** knew it wasn't nearly as bad as what the media said. Right from the beginning from the data on the Diamond Princess I was unconcerned while everyone else was freaking the **** out.

This was back in March!

https://www.foxnews.com/us/cruise-ship-data-helps-reveal-coronavirus-death-rate-researchers

Cruise ship data helps reveal coronavirus death rate: researchers

An examination of ship data concludes that widely-reported death rates are simplistic and too high, because people with mild symptoms often don't bother to come in for testing and don't get counted.

But on the Diamond Princess cruise ship, mild cases weren't missed, because every passenger and crew member was tested a month ago.

"It's really valuable data that we just wouldn't have otherwise, because all people were tested," Dr. Timothy Russell, a mathematical biologist at the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine, part of the University of London system, told Fox News.

"The 3.4% death rate the World Health Organization has reported... there is criticism from nearly all scientists that's too high, because of the under-reporting of cases.

Russell and nine other researchers at the school analyzed the data from the cruise ship and, comparing it with Chinese data, estimate that the death rate from the virus is about 0.5 percent, that's still much deadlier than the flu.

Here is more that the cruise ship data reveals:

Most people who get the virus have mild symptoms or less.

On the Diamond Princess, nearly half of all people on the ship who tested positive showed no symptoms, and a month later still do not show symptoms, according to the latest daily update from Japan's National Ministry of Health, Labor and Welfare, where the boat docked. On the boat, 328 out of 697 people don't have symptoms despite testing positive.

Most people on the ship experienced the coronavirus as either a normal cold, or less. In a CDC press briefing last week, U.S. officials noted, "we have seen this especially in patients from the Diamond Princess cruise ship where a significant number of people have had very mild illness and don’t feel particularly bad."

The downside is that people with mild cases are less likely to stay home, which makes it easier for the disease to spread to the most vulnerable people.

High death rate among the elderly

Out of the 697 who tested positive a month ago, seven people have died on the Diamond Princess cruise ship, 15 remain in critical condition, and 30 were once in critical condition but have improved, according to Japan's Ministry of Health, Labor, and Welfare. A further 388 have recovered.

The seven deaths, out of the 697 who tested positive, make for a death rate of 1% on the ship. More deaths are also possible.

Ten medical researchers at the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine estimated likely additional deaths and adjusted death rates by age in an unpublished paper.

Adjusting for age is important, because the average person on the ship was elderly, according to Japan's Institute of Infectious Diseases. The ship's average age was 58, and 33 percent were 70 or older.

All seven deaths so far were of passengers aged 70 or older.


This was on a Cruise Ship. You know, closed space with people constantly interacting with each other and all getting their food from the same place.

You know, the WORST case scenario.

And the overall fatality rate estimates have gone way down after that.

Media want eyeballs and clicks. If you want data you have to look for it elsewhere. These things are usually mutually exclusive except when it suits their purpose.
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election Thread: The Homestretch 

Post#1836 » by Clyde_Style » Sat Oct 24, 2020 5:11 pm

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Re: 2020 Presidential Election Thread: The Homestretch 

Post#1837 » by Clyde_Style » Sat Oct 24, 2020 5:13 pm

To hell with the covid dead, what about the birds?
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election Thread: The Homestretch 

Post#1838 » by Clyde_Style » Sat Oct 24, 2020 5:18 pm

‘Warning flare’: New swing-state data shows massive Democratic early-vote lead

In a worrisome sign for Republicans, Democrats are also turning out more low-frequency and newly registered voters than the GOP.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/23/early-voting-numbers-swing-states-431363

ARTICLE:
Spoiler:
Democrats have opened up a yawning gap in early voting over Republicans in six of the most crucial battleground states — but that only begins to tell the story of their advantage heading into Election Day.

In a more worrisome sign for Republicans, Democrats are also turning out more low-frequency and newly registered voters than the GOP, according to internal data shared with POLITICO by Hawkfish, a new Democratic research firm, which was reviewed by Republicans and independent experts.

The turnout data does not mean Donald Trump will lose to Joe Biden. Both sides are bracing for a close race and a giant wave of Republicans to vote in person on Nov. 3. Yet the turnout disparity with new and less-reliable voters has forced Republican political operatives to take notice.

“It’s a warning flare,” said veteran Republican strategist Scott Reed.

“Some Republicans are stuck in a model that we always run up the score on Election Day to make up the difference,” Reed said. “I think running an election in a superpolarized electorate, you want to win early voting. Let’s go. Let’s stop talking and making excuses.”

The GOP caught an encouraging glimpse in Florida on Tuesday, when more Republicans began casting in-person, early ballots than Democrats in Trump’s must-win state. But Democrats have dominated voting by mail and on Thursday held a historic lead in total pre-Election Day ballots cast of 463,000, or 10 percentage points, according to the state’s Division of Elections. Gov. Ron DeSantis this week urged Republicans to vote early in person, a message Trump plans to echo on Saturday, when he’s expected to call on his base to get to the polls.

At a glance, the top-line Democratic margins also look huge in Arizona (16 percentage points), Michigan (24 points), North Carolina (14 points), Pennsylvania (46 points), and Wisconsin (22), according to the analysis from Hawkfish, which is funded by billionaire Michael Bloomberg, a Trump foe.

Though the numbers look good for Democrats, they're not cause for complacency for Hawkfish’s CEO, Josh Mendelsohn, who echoes Republicans in saying that he expects high-propensity Trump voters to increasingly show up in force. Compared with Republicans, Democrats are exhausting far more of their high-propensity voters and the margins are expected to start tightening, as they have in Florida.

"Democrats are enthused, that's clear," Mendelsohn said, cautioning against a heavy reliance on forecasting models showing the likelihood of a Biden win.

“I find that folks want these models to be forecasts, and they want the forecasts to be like a hurricane forecast and just to be perfect,” Mendelsohn said. “And it's not, because it is like hurricanes, you've got a whole bunch of model tracks, of which some are more reliable than others in certain circumstances.”

With 11 days left until the election, time appears to be Trump’s enemy more than Biden’s.

“The concerning thing for Republicans is that once a Democrat vote is cast, or once a vote is cast in general, it can't be taken back,” said Chris Wilson, a top Republican data analyst who independently reviewed the Hawkfish numbers for POLITICO. “That to me is the bigger issue here: Our window to message and convert any of these voters away from voting Democrat is shorter than the number of days left in the campaign.”

Wilson compared the situation to an analysis for a battleground congressional district he has consulted for in which the Republican leads by a point, but Democrats have poured it on so heavily in early voting that his candidate needs to win Election Day by huge proportions.

“Great news. We lead [in the polls]. But if you look at the early vote, we have to win 2-to-1 on Election Day,” Wilson said. “And that's probably just about every contested race in America.”

While the campaigns and consultants are monitoring the ballots counted by party, the votes will not be tabulated until Election Day, and not every Democrat is voting for Biden nor every Republican for Trump. With some variations, battleground polling indicates each is pulling roughly the same number of votes from his base when averaged out, but Biden has a slight edge among independents, which could prove decisive.

With 47 million votes already cast nationwide in more than half the states, according to the U.S. Election Project, and as many 100 million more or so to go, the election is now being decided. But more than elsewhere, the presidency is expected to hinge on these six states. Here’s what they look like as of now, based on state data and Hawkfish’s analysis. It uses publicly available election data, and ascribes scores to voters that are based on demographic research to determine their likely level of support for a candidate:

Arizona

Total ballots cast of 4 million registered voters: 1.1 million for which Hawkfish has support scores. Biden: 58 percent. Trump: 42 percent.

Ballots cast by newly registered voters: 75,000. Biden: 57 percent. Trump: 43

2020 Ballots cast by sporadic voters (registered in 2016 and 2018 but didn’t vote): 41,000. Biden: 54 percent. Trump: 46 percent.

Democratic takeaway: Polls show Biden leading as well as Democratic Senate candidate Mark Kelly. Compared with 2016, Democratic returns are 74 percent higher while Republican returns are up 29 percent.

Josh Zaragoza (D), Javelina Strategies: "Both Biden and Kelly have been up in virtually every poll — significantly up in many of those polls. This only reinforces that this is the most favorable political environment for Democrats since 2008 and perhaps ever in Arizona — or at least in the 21st century."

Republican takeaway: More than 200,000 conservatives who either refused to vote in the presidential race in 2016, voted for the Libertarian candidate or voted for write-in candidates have come home to Trump now that he has a record appointing conservative judges and cutting taxes.

Sean Noble (R), Encore Strategies: “That Democrats are turning in ballots at a higher rate than Republicans is not a surprise, because Republicans as a bloc are less confident in the mail system ... Republicans are also more concerned about fraud. ... So they will either show up on Election Day and vote in person or they will show up and drop off the ballot in person.”

Florida

Total ballots cast of 14.4 million registered voters: 4.2 million for whom Hawkfish has support scores. Biden: 56 percent. Trump: 44 percent.

Ballots cast by newly registered voters: 422,000. Biden: 55 percent. Trump: 45 percent.

Ballots cast by sporadic voters: 174,000. Biden: 53 percent. Trump: 47 percent.

Republican takeaway: The Republican Party of Florida has 470,000 more high-propensity voters than Democrats who have yet to vote. The Democratic Party also traditionally has more sporadic and newly registered voters as a share of their electorate, so the numbers aren’t out of whack.

Tim Baker (R), Data Targeting: “The absentee and early voting numbers for Democrats are seemingly a reflection of their most reliable voters shifting voting methods and ultimately a cannibalization of voting method and not necessarily a turnout indicator at this stage. We are encouraged by the increase in Republican voter registration and the enthusiasm we are seeing across the state."

Democratic takeaway: No party has ever jumped to a lead like Democrats have in pre-Election Day voting. Factoring in independents, who are largely composed of No Party Affiliation, Biden appears to be winning the swing voters of the swing state.

Kevin Cate (D), CATECOMM: “The Republican spin on turnout and the enthusiasm gap sounds a lot like the Democratic spin in cycles where Democrats lost the top of the ticket. If you cut through it, Democratic turnout is unprecedentedly quick, large, and new — and so is No Party Affiliation turnout.”

Michigan

Total ballots cast of 8.1 million registered voters: 1.8 million for whom Hawkfish has support scores. Biden: 62 percent. Trump: 38 percent.

Ballots cast by newly registered voters: 139,000. Biden: 63 percent. Trump: 37 percent.

Ballots cast by sporadic voters: 96,000. Biden: 53 percent. Trump 47 percent.

Democratic takeaway: While Michigan does not have hard party registration figures like most other states, internal Democratic modeling gives Biden an edge so far.

Steve Pontoni (D), political consultant: "The number that’s most interesting to me is that as of (Wednesday morning) over 250,000 people have voted who did not vote in 2016 and that’s 23 percent of people who have already voted. And the average age is in the high 50s, and when we model them, it’s a strong Biden constituency from what we can see.”

Republican takeaway: Though the Democratic lead before Election Day is big, Republicans are counting on strong white working-class support for Trump and relatively low Black voter enthusiasm for Biden in urban areas.

John Sellek (R), Harbor Strategic in Michigan: “Polling here shows Biden leading amongst those who voted early so far, yet we are consistently seeing Republican voters expressing slightly higher excitement about voting than Democrats. We are also seeing Republicans conducting voter registration in blue-collar areas that's never been possible before. ... However, if turnout is over 5 million, which would break Michigan's 2008 record, it becomes very difficult to find enough Republicans to keep up at the statewide level.”

North Carolina

Total ballots cast of 7.3 million registered voters: 2.1 million for whom Hawkfish has support scores. Biden: 57 percent. Trump: 43 percent.

Ballots cast by newly registered voters: 148,000. Biden: 60 percent. Trump: 40 percent.

Ballots cast by sporadic voters: 61,000. Biden: 51 percent. Trump: 49 percent.

Republican takeaway: Even when Democrats have won early voting in past elections, a surge of Election Day votes has powered Republicans to victory. And while they’re being trounced in mail ballots, the first few days of early in-person voting have been stunningly high for Republicans, already helping close the gap.

Patrick Sebastian (R), Majority Strategies and nephew of former Gov. Pat McCrory: "Right now, it's really about even, as far as both parties having their Election Day voters vote early this year. So I think that's a good thing. I think it is going to all hinge on, though, low-propensity voters.”

Democratic takeaway: Early voting has always favored Democrats in the Tar Heel State, where they’re expected to build out a lead. Democrats are returning mail votes at a significantly greater clip than Republicans, and there are drastically more people voting early than years’ past.

Morgan Jackson (D), Nexus Strategies: “Democrats currently have a pretty broad advantage, not only in registration, but looking at who the unaffiliated voters are that are voting. They're much more urban, and suburban unaffiliated, that are college educated. And that has been a very good demographic for Democrats, not only in North Carolina, but all across the country.”

Pennsylvania

Total ballots cast of 9 million registered voters: 1.2 million for whom Hawkfish has support scores. Biden: 73 percent. Trump: 27 percent.

Ballots cast by newly registered voters: 57,000. Biden: 72 percent. Trump: 28 percent.

Ballots cast by sporadic voters: 88,000. Biden: 64 percent. Trump: 36 percent.

Democratic takeaway: Pennsylvania has slowly drifted from the president in polling and his handling of coronavirus came at the worst time for him.

Neil Oxman (D), The Campaign Group: "When Trump started acting more normally in the summer, he regained ground. But then you had this complete meltdown starting with the debate and him getting Covid and at that point ... people started voting.”

Republican takeaway: The rural areas of Pennsylvania where Trump dominated in 2016 are still highly enthusiastic.

Charlie Gerow (R), Quantum Communications: “There is an army of red-hat wearing folks that are marking their calendar for Nov. 3. They’re champing at the bit. You saw that with his rally in Erie this week. He has these gigantic crowds, enormous, in places where you wouldn’t expect to see a dozen people.”

Wisconsin

Total ballots cast of 3.6 million registered voters: 844,000 for whom Hawkfish has support scores. Biden: 61 percent. Trump: 39 percent.

Ballots cast by newly registered voters: 66,000. Biden: 61 percent. Trump: 39 percent.

Ballots cast by sporadic voters: 10,000. Biden: 53 percent. Trump: 47 percent.

Republican takeaway: The numbers on early voting and polling don’t tell the whole story of Wisconsin. Rural whites are often undersampled in surveys and data on early votes aren’t always reported because smalltown clerks don’t have the resources to quickly process and report the information to the state.

Keith Gilkes (R), the Champion Group in Wisconsin: “In the past year or more, we've held more registration events and had more new registrations in rural parts of the state that Donald Trump won compared to what Hillary Clinton won. So, we have an influx of new voters and new registrants as well. If there’s a slight uptick in white non-college educated in the rural areas of the state, it’s hard to account for that in polls. People take this state for granted all the time, and it comes back to bite them in the ass, which Hillary Clinton learned.”

Democratic takeaway: Coronavirus cases are on the rise in Wisconsin, along with voter anger at Trump’s handling of it.

Sachin Chheda (D), Nation Consulting in Wisconsin: “Nobody's talking about Kenosha. They're talking about Covid. They're talking about these coronavirus numbers. And if you are a Republican counting on an in-person vote on Nov. 3, with the coronavirus numbers spiking, the chances of people showing up to vote are lower, especially if your base is older or more likely to get sick. They have to make up a huge deficit on Election Day in the middle of the biggest pandemic the country has seen in 100 years.”
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election Thread: The Homestretch 

Post#1839 » by HarthorneWingo » Sat Oct 24, 2020 5:19 pm

Anyone proposing herd immunity as a solution is off their rocker, doesn’t know shyt from Shinola, and shouldn’t be posting here. You obviously know nothing about the subject matter and is here to waste our fcking time.

If you propose herd immunity one more time, BallSac, I’m going to recommend that we - as a group - put you on IGNORE.
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election Thread: The Homestretch 

Post#1840 » by Clyde_Style » Sat Oct 24, 2020 5:22 pm

There is very clear data now that the Democratic vote is turning out in massive numbers and that includes an additional edge in newly registered voters as well.

The blue tsumani is definitely happening

The PA numbers in particular are eye popping

I think this quote from Wisconsin is pretty telling:

Sachin Chheda (D), Nation Consulting in Wisconsin: “Nobody's talking about Kenosha. They're talking about Covid. They're talking about these coronavirus numbers. And if you are a Republican counting on an in-person vote on Nov. 3, with the coronavirus numbers spiking, the chances of people showing up to vote are lower, especially if your base is older or more likely to get sick. They have to make up a huge deficit on Election Day in the middle of the biggest pandemic the country has seen in 100 years.”

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