UFC 254: Khabib vs Justin G

Post #141 » by **Headliner** » Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:47 pm

Dupp wrote:Khabibs fights aren’t even boring. Even as a grappler he does a lot to his opponent on the ground. Not like watching a fight of foot stomp

The boring stuff is lame, I just eye roll that.
Khabib fights are a lot of action, it’s not stalling.
A lot of people said that about GSP, but the comparison was Silva who was knocking out everyone, so everyone wanted him to be doing that. GSP was incredible at activity even if it was on the ground.

I love fully formed fighters.

Post #142 » by **Headliner** » Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:50 pm

I wonder if Conor vs Dustin is for the 155 now and it switches from 170

Susan · Post #143 » by **Susan** » Sat Oct 24, 2020 10:07 pm

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Dupp · Post #144 » by **Dupp** » Sat Oct 24, 2020 10:11 pm

Headliner wrote:I wonder if Conor vs Dustin is for the 155 now and it switches from 170

Dana already said there’s no point having this fight if it’s not at 155, which is true. So I’d assume 155 but who knows with Connor

Post #145 » by **Headliner** » Sat Oct 24, 2020 10:13 pm

Conor at 155 vs Dustin, Tony, Justin...those are three crazy fights.

Susan · Post #146 » by **Susan** » Sat Oct 24, 2020 10:21 pm

Tournament:

Conor/JG
Tony/DP

REDDzone · Post #147 » by **REDDzone** » Sat Oct 24, 2020 10:31 pm

I feel like Chandler will be involved in any tournament for sure. He was there as an alternate in this fight, obviously Dana is high on him. And he didn't recently get smashed in uncompetitive fights like Tony and Gaetjhe.

Worst case scenario will be if they just make Poirier/Conor for the title. It'd suck to watch that twerp rack up another title with no wins in the division.

Dupp · Post #148 » by **Dupp** » Sat Oct 24, 2020 10:45 pm

Susan wrote:Tournament:

Conor/JG
Tony/DP

Yeah I don’t want Connor and Dustin to happen now because it leaves tony no where. They ain’t putting him up against Justin again I wouldn’t imagine

Chandler can fight hooker or something he shouldn’t be relevant to this

Susan · Post #149 » by **Susan** » Sat Oct 24, 2020 10:56 pm

REDDzone wrote:I feel like Chandler will be involved in any tournament for sure. He was there as an alternate in this fight, obviously Dana is high on him. And he didn't recently get smashed in uncompetitive fights like Tony and Gaetjhe.

Worst case scenario will be if they just make Poirier/Conor for the title. It'd suck to watch that twerp rack up another title with no wins in the division.

Chandler/Hooker or Charles Oliveira for alt spot.

REDDzone · Post #150 » by **REDDzone** » Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:04 pm

To be clear I'm not advocating for Chandler. I'm on record as disliking him for a long time. I'm just guessing at what they'll do, Dana obviously likes him.

Honestly they'll probably just say f*ck it and make Conor/Poirier for the belt. It makes sense in terms of timing and the UFC hates tournaments.

Dupp · Post #151 » by **Dupp** » Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:17 pm

So what happened to Justin’s great take down defense? A lot of talk about his wrestling background but it’s a bit different wrestling kids compared to wrestling Khabib. That transition into submission was far too easy. He almost got something going at the end of the first too.

Susan · Post #152 » by **Susan** » Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:46 pm

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High 5 · Post #153 » by **High 5** » Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:47 pm

Dupp wrote:So what happened to Justin’s great take down defense? A lot of talk about his wrestling background but it’s a bit different wrestling kids compared to wrestling Khabib. That transition into submission was far too easy. He almost got something going at the end of the first too.

Khabib is just a different animal + I don’t think Justin’s wrestling has ever really been tested in the UFC. That was the easiest mount I have ever seen. Especially that early in a fight.

Son Goku 25 · Post #154 » by **Son Goku 25** » Sun Oct 25, 2020 12:50 am

Dupp wrote:So what happened to Justin’s great take down defense? A lot of talk about his wrestling background but it’s a bit different wrestling kids compared to wrestling Khabib. That transition into submission was far too easy. He almost got something going at the end of the first too.

I think what happened was that his kicks weren't doing much damage to Khabib which shook Justin. Justin spoke specifically about starting with his legs and working his way up. Khabib came in using those kicks to his advantage and quickly setting his ground game up. Khabib has been wrestling elite wrestlers daily and uses it during his fights. Justin couldn't have expected to walk in and be ready for that lol he can talk all he wants but I'm glad KHabib put him in his place.

This was true display of a perfect fighter.

REDDzone · Post #155 » by **REDDzone** » Sun Oct 25, 2020 2:06 am

Let's disregard PEDs for a minute. Here is the conclusion that has taken me all day to come to :lol:

...

GSP is the most accomplished fighter of all time (and earns him GOAT status).
Khabib is the most dominant fighter of all time.
Jon Jones is the most talented fighter of all time (and is super underrated in the toughness/gritty department).
Silva is a great mix of accomplished, dominant and talented. He's not THE most at any of these though.

Susan · Post #156 » by **Susan** » Sun Oct 25, 2020 2:15 am

REDDzone wrote:Let's disregard PEDs for a minute. Here is the conclusion that has taken me all day to come to ...

GSP is the most accomplished fighter of all time (and earns him GOAT status).
Khabib is the most dominant fighter of all time.
Jon Jones is the most talented fighter of all time (and is super underrated in the toughness/gritty department).

HERE I COME!

I have to take off the troll hat to agree with your assessment.

GSP is close to Jones in terms of talent but had greater discipline to reach his heights, Khabib was easily the most technical grappler in the sports' history and had the physicality to enable his supreme greatness.

Khabib had some of the greatest coaches in the world to help shape him along with some of the greatest training partners in the world. Having his father, Javier, DC and Leo Vierra as coaches in each area is just so absurd, it'll be hard to think of somebody who goes *that far* ahead of the rest of the division anytime soon.

As sad as it is to have Khabib gone, I am excited about Chimeav on his insane rise to superstardom. His greatness is so obvious like Jones' was and he seems to have his personal life in order to manage it. I truly think he's going to wind up on that list.

REDDzone · Post #157 » by **REDDzone** » Sun Oct 25, 2020 2:26 am

^^ Sorry i think I edited my post after you quoted it, wanted to add Anderson.

REDDzone · Post #158 » by **REDDzone** » Sun Oct 25, 2020 2:29 am

My question is...who was the dude who beat Khabib in combat sambo? I feel like I watched that match a year or so ago. For those who don't know, combat sambo is literally just MMA with a gi top and shorts on lmao. And this dude beat Khabib handily. What could have been? What other dudes with crazy potential are rotting away somewhere unable to display their talent for WHATEVER reason? It's crazy to think about.

cowboyronnie · Post #159 » by **cowboyronnie** » Sun Oct 25, 2020 2:34 am

Headliner wrote:
clyde21 wrote:Khabib, GSP, Bones and Spider top 4 all time not necessary in that order

Bones
GSP
Mouse
Silva
Miocic
DC
Fedor

All should be above Khabib imo.
Khabib probably next. If he stuck around for 3 more name fights and wins, then he’s up with the top.

lol c;mon Fedor?

Khabib is as deserving as anyone. He ran through Poirier, Conor, and JG. He could probably have KOd each of them standing, they were dominated in every aspect. He was landing hard rights on JG, **** JG's face up.

There is just no avenue to beat him. That has to be taken into consideration. Lucky strikes happen, sure. But, in that case, Sam Alvey could beat Stipe. But it's really not something we should expect. Khabib rolls through Tony and Chandler. He would be a massive fave in each fight. Like +500.

Fedor is the opposite. I never once thought Fedor was the GOAT. Because there were clear avenues for him to be beaten. I mean, he regularly WAS being beaten until he would land an overhand. That Japanese guy, Arlovski...guys were putting it on him. That's not sustainable. Khabib's style is.

Granted, expecting him to run through people is not the same as him running through people. But it should be factored in. He's near impossible to beat.

High 5 · Post #160 » by **High 5** » Sun Oct 25, 2020 2:40 am

REDDzone wrote:Let's disregard PEDs for a minute. Here is the conclusion that has taken me all day to come to ...

GSP is the most accomplished fighter of all time (and earns him GOAT status).
Khabib is the most dominant fighter of all time.
Jon Jones is the most talented fighter of all time (and is super underrated in the toughness/gritty department).
Silva is a great mix of accomplished, dominant and talented. He's not THE most at any of these though.

Not bad, but if we disregard PEDs then I think Jones has to still be considered the most dominant. Especially looking at his first 13 fights in the UFC (which is how many Khabib has). Interestingly it was his 14th fight (Gus) when he finally faced some adversity.