2020 Draft Thread, Part 2

[KevinMcreynolds]

After listening to the latest round of podcasts around the league I’m convinced we’re taking Edwards if Minn passes on him and Wiseman if they don’t. I think the Deni stuff is 100% smokescreen.

[Coxy]

After listening to the latest round of podcasts around the league I’m convinced we’re taking Edwards if Minn passes on him and Wiseman if they don’t. I think the Deni stuff is 100% smokescreen.

Walking into the Warriors offices right now be like:

[Little Digger]

most likely

1. Trade out
2. Trade down
3. Draft Wiseman

4. Draft Edwards ( I’ll need to be strapped down and on anti depression medication for at least 2 years)

5. Draft Advija

6. Draft Okoro

7. Draft Ball

8. Draft Okongwu

9. Draft Halliburton

10. Draft Vassell or Williams

[Mylie10]

With Wiseman I just don’t see it..They’ll never be calling him Air Wiseman and he’s not overly quick..

He’s a great athlete, but expecting a 7’1” guy to move like a guard is asking a but much.

He may not ever be Anthony Davis, but he’ll be as athletic.

dude you really think I’m dumb enough not to understand he’s a big man? On 2nd thought, I am dumb enough..Never mind.

You’re right. I just had a conversation with a grain of salt, and he told me to lighten up on you.

[Mylie10]

3 players at the top of the draft and we pick second...I remember after the lottery Bob Myers saying, "you just have to like two".

Pretty good listen from Chad Ford
https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/locked-on-sports/chad-fords-nba-big-board-nba-draft-podcast

One thing I learned a very long time ago....Whatever Chad Fraud tells you, do opposite.

[whatisacenter]

3 players at the top of the draft and we pick second...I remember after the lottery Bob Myers saying, "you just have to like two".

Pretty good listen from Chad Ford
https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/locked-on-sports/chad-fords-nba-big-board-nba-draft-podcast

One thing I learned a very long time ago....Whatever Chad Fraud tells you, do opposite.

I liked hearing his thoughts on the top 30 picks in his mind. I think Edwards and Wiseman are the two players the Warriors would take at #2 if they are keeping the pick.

[Little Digger]

I only have a few strong opinions regarding this draft

1. Edwards is an honest lazy bum (like me)

2. Okoro is the only lock in this draft to be an impact player

3. If Ball turns out to be a worker and not a pompous a** bite, he’s clearly going to be one of the 2 best players out of this draft..big if..

4. Wiseman’s athleticism is overrated.. ..Doesn’t mean he can’t be a solid pick..

5. I have no other strong opinions..at least that I could think of

[Mylie10]

I don’t know if Ball will ever be a decent defender...but he’s what? 19? Come on..writing a talent like him off as hopeless is beyond silly..it shows bias ..

He was skinny 18 year old kid playing down under against hardcore professionals and he put up 11-7-7 on limited minutes ..and even earned a JKidd comparison from Bogut ..He’s a major talent and a major risk..but you don’t think these other guys come with risk? Ha

Are people writing him off though? I haven’t seen many say he will be a bust.

When I give a strong opinion on a guy, it doesn’t mean I don’t see the value of other guys.

I actually think there are quite a few guys up and down the first round that can really play. All have warts, but most rookies have warts.

[Mylie10]

The father thing is just nuts..Lots of NBA legends had sh*t fathers..80% of men in America are at the very least, borderline ignorant pr*cks

What I love about both the Ball brothers, is their pure unselfishness on the court ..

The only thing in regards to his selfishness that got me, was when he was in high school. I was watching the game where he scored 100 points. I’ll never forget him not playing any defense but merely cherry picking for easy layups against a team that was getting absolutely crushed. It really bothered me and he was laughing.

I mean yeah it’s cool you scored 100, no doubt. But when you’re playing the “School of the Blind” is it really that big of an accomplishment?

I’m sure he’s a lot more mature now, and I actually think he’s a legit NBA player, so that’s all good.

[Dom801e]

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2879599-its-onyeka-okongwus-time-to-shine

The more I learn about him, the more I like. Terrible what happened to his brother. Makes his story more impressive.

[Quazza]

The father thing is just nuts..Lots of NBA legends had sh*t fathers..80% of men in America are at the very least, borderline ignorant pr*cks

What I love about both the Ball brothers, is their pure unselfishness on the court ..

The only thing in regards to his selfishness that got me, was when he was in high school. I was watching the game where he scored 100 points. I’ll never forget him not playing any defense but merely cherry picking for easy layups against a team that was getting absolutely crushed. It really bothered me and he was laughing.

I mean yeah it’s cool you scored 100, no doubt. But when you’re playing the “School of the Blind” is it really that big of an accomplishment?

I’m sure he’s a lot more mature now, and I actually think he’s a legit NBA player, so that’s all good.

I think he'd be viewed very differently if he had a different last name (which is kinda crazy to me )

[Warriors Analyst]

Watching more Saddiq Bey film and am really confused why he's not ranked higher. I get that he's not a super high level athlete, but everything else is there. He's a great shooter, he can defend guards wings alike, he has the size to hang at the 4, he's a capable passer, capable ball-handler, and doesn't make lots of turnovers. The things that are generally listed as weaknesses on his scouting reports -- lack of explosiveness, free throw drawing ability, and potential inability to create separation at the NBA level -- don't really concern me insofar as his role on the Warriors. Bey wouldn't be asked to create off the dribble and would only ever have to create his own shot attacking closeouts and it's unlikely he'll ever have a team's best defender on him. Warming up to the idea of him being the ideal trade down target.

[Rudruff]

Someone will reach for him.

[ShayDee]

Watching more Saddiq Bey film and am really confused why he's not ranked higher. I get that he's not a super high level athlete, but everything else is there. He's a great shooter, he can defend guards wings alike, he has the size to hang at the 4, he's a capable passer, capable ball-handler, and doesn't make lots of turnovers. The things that are generally listed as weaknesses on his scouting reports -- lack of explosiveness, free throw drawing ability, and potential inability to create separation at the NBA level -- don't really concern me insofar as his role on the Warriors. Bey wouldn't be asked to create off the dribble and would only ever have to create his own shot attacking closeouts and it's unlikely he'll ever have a team's best defender on him. Warming up to the idea of him being the ideal trade down target.

He doesn't have elite creation, no burst and is not that athletic. High picks are supposed to be used for franchise changing or building talents, maybe scouts don't see him as more than a role player. But with that said he is plenty rated around where he should, late lottery. My initial board like 4 months ago was Edwards, Wiseman, Deni, Bey and Bane in that order. So I think he is being slept on. If he can shoot 3s like he did in college he will be top 5 best players in this draft because he can do it all. Pass, Dribble, Postup, defend and most importantly huge sample size of elite shooting

[Warriors Analyst]

Watching more Saddiq Bey film and am really confused why he's not ranked higher. I get that he's not a super high level athlete, but everything else is there. He's a great shooter, he can defend guards wings alike, he has the size to hang at the 4, he's a capable passer, capable ball-handler, and doesn't make lots of turnovers. The things that are generally listed as weaknesses on his scouting reports -- lack of explosiveness, free throw drawing ability, and potential inability to create separation at the NBA level -- don't really concern me insofar as his role on the Warriors. Bey wouldn't be asked to create off the dribble and would only ever have to create his own shot attacking closeouts and it's unlikely he'll ever have a team's best defender on him. Warming up to the idea of him being the ideal trade down target.

He doesn't have elite creation, no burst and is not that athletic. High picks are supposed to be used for franchise changing or building talents, maybe scouts don't see him as more than a role player. But with that said he is plenty rated around where he should, late lottery. My initial board like 4 months ago was Edwards, Wiseman, Deni, Bey and Bane in that order. So I think he is being slept on. If he can shoot 3s like he did in college he will be top 5 best players in this draft because he can do it all. Pass, Dribble, Postup, defend and most importantly huge sample size of elite shooting

Yeah I get that he's not the best athlete and that limits his ability to be a star creator, but I'm inclined to believe that someone with that good of a shot and that high of a skill level will figure it out at the next level. He's got really good size too and the ability he has to keep his dribble alive and get deep in the paint and body people to get to the hoop is something that is intriguing, especially because at the NBA level he'll have more clear driving lanes.

I'd be much more comfortable betting on Bey's ability to max out his physical potential than I would be betting on Edwards to learn to play within a team concept or Ball to improve his shot/defense. I think about Kawhi coming out -- and I'm obviously not saying Bey is Kawhi -- and while Kawhi was incredibly intriguing because of his huge frame and wingspan/defensive ability, I don't think anybody was saying that Kawhi was saying that Kawhi had elite burst or explosiveness, but Kawhi made huge improvements to his skill level and what makes him so deadly now is not elite burst, but incredible strength and body control. So I guess I'm saying, I'm not terribly concerned about the lack of burst for Bey.

[jason bourne]

3 players at the top of the draft and we pick second...I remember after the lottery Bob Myers saying, "you just have to like two".

Pretty good listen from Chad Ford
https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/locked-on-sports/chad-fords-nba-big-board-nba-draft-podcast

One thing I learned a very long time ago....Whatever Chad Fraud tells you, do opposite.

I'm listening to him on the Locked On Warriors podcast now. To do the opposite would mean take LaMelo. He trashes him in his podcast for the Warriors. He also says none of the top 3 will be ready to help the Warriors compete for a championship in 2020.

I don't know what to make of him as I don't listen to podcasts too much, but I have heard him called Chad Fraud often.

[ShayDee]

Watching more Saddiq Bey film and am really confused why he's not ranked higher. I get that he's not a super high level athlete, but everything else is there. He's a great shooter, he can defend guards wings alike, he has the size to hang at the 4, he's a capable passer, capable ball-handler, and doesn't make lots of turnovers. The things that are generally listed as weaknesses on his scouting reports -- lack of explosiveness, free throw drawing ability, and potential inability to create separation at the NBA level -- don't really concern me insofar as his role on the Warriors. Bey wouldn't be asked to create off the dribble and would only ever have to create his own shot attacking closeouts and it's unlikely he'll ever have a team's best defender on him. Warming up to the idea of him being the ideal trade down target.

He doesn't have elite creation, no burst and is not that athletic. High picks are supposed to be used for franchise changing or building talents, maybe scouts don't see him as more than a role player. But with that said he is plenty rated around where he should, late lottery. My initial board like 4 months ago was Edwards, Wiseman, Deni, Bey and Bane in that order. So I think he is being slept on. If he can shoot 3s like he did in college he will be top 5 best players in this draft because he can do it all. Pass, Dribble, Postup, defend and most importantly huge sample size of elite shooting

Yeah I get that he's not the best athlete and that limits his ability to be a star creator, but I'm inclined to believe that someone with that good of a shot and that high of a skill level will figure it out at the next level. He's got really good size too and the ability he has to keep his dribble alive and get deep in the paint and body people to get to the hoop is something that is intriguing, especially because at the NBA level he'll have more clear driving lanes.

I'd be much more comfortable betting on Bey's ability to max out his physical potential than I would be betting on Edwards to learn to play within a team concept or Ball to improve his shot/defense. I think about Kawhi coming out -- and I'm obviously not saying Bey is Kawhi -- and while Kawhi was incredibly intriguing because of his huge frame and wingspan/defensive ability, I don't think anybody was saying that Kawhi was saying that Kawhi had elite burst or explosiveness, but Kawhi made huge improvements to his skill level and what makes him so deadly now is not elite burst, but incredible strength and body control. So I guess I'm saying, I'm not terribly concerned about the lack of burst for Bey.

Good thing about our team is we just need role players than excel at their role. Bey can only be a spot up guy and post passer. He fits soo well that why I'm high on him on our team board, same with Bane and I believe they are the most NBA prospects that will contribute the most next year because they have an elite skill which translates and also are not negatives on defense

We do not need them to create shots for themselves, we do not need them to attack the rim, we do not need them to dribble. Just play winning basketball and hit open shots. I trust Bane and Bey the most. Maybe Nesmith. But if we are picking top 2, has the be either Wiseman or Edwards with me being closer to Wiseman. If we are going to end up with Deni, then I rather trade down to get Bane or Bey

[B-King]

The father thing is just nuts..Lots of NBA legends had sh*t fathers..80% of men in America are at the very least, borderline ignorant pr*cks

What I love about both the Ball brothers, is their pure unselfishness on the court ..

Well, his father is around and will give him that. How is quitting on your High School team or cherry picking at half court to runup your own stats, while the rest of your team plays 4 on 5 defense unselfish?

Lonzo is a pretty decent player, with great court vision and defense. He seems level headed and is still improving. He's a keeper.

LeMelo has good court vision and can distribute the ball. Let's see how it works out at the NBA level.

[HiRez]

Might as well throw this on the pile...

Warriors will draft James Wiseman, not Deni Avdija, Kendrick Perkins says

Elhassan, who used to work in the Phoenix Suns' front office, called it "subterfuge season."

"Everything you hear is going to be full of you-know-what," Elhassan said.

Perkins dismissed the rumor because he seems to think he knows which player the Warriors will draft.

"I think it's nothing," Perkins said. "You know why? Because the Warriors going to draft [James] Wiseman. That's what they need. They need a big man, so yeah, I understand he might have had an impressive workout in front of them. And that's part of Bob Myers. Look, Bob Myers was my agent and I know how Bob Myers works.

"He played those mind games and say 'Oh, he's blown away.' But deep down, they know they're going to draft Wiseman. They need a big. He's right there in the making for them. So they have to grab him."

[KevinMcreynolds]

He really offers nothing but court vision and passing though. Fran Fraschilla was saying NBL bigs are slow af and and can't defend the pick n roll, so they probably made him look better too.