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Post#121 » by KTM_2813 » Sat Oct 24, 2020 3:07 pm

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Freighttrain wrote:Sure, but he has a different mentality to MJ's. LeBron has more joy for the success of his teammates than his own. That is the key difference in my opinion. I think he cares about winning obviously, he's one of the all-time great competitors. But he thoroughly enjoys AD's rise and shine. It's also beneficial to him. If AD can carry that torch throughout his prime, that would mean LeBron has at least 4-5 seasons of a championship window, which means one or two more rings, getting the all-time points record etc,.. If you look at the cumulative individual records between MJ and LeBron, it's not going to be close. People who grew up not knowing MJ will even think and say, how was this guy comparable to LeBron in any way? Especially if he gets to 5 or 6 rings. I'm not saying that is my criteria but it definitely helps persuade those who use the rings argument I guess.


Even now the comparison is done, by the time LeBron retires it will just look silly.

Even if LeBron finishes with 5 chips/FMVP he’ll have gone to close to, if not more than, double the finals Jordan did and he’ll have almost every record in the book. The 6/6 argument is already cringeworthy but will look daft in light of every other thing LeBron will trounce Jordan in.


There's a chance that LeBron's teams will end up winning more first round series, more second round series, more conference finals, and as many championships as Jordan's teams. And yet a lot of people will say "Who cares, Jordan was 6/6!" :lol:
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Post#122 » by zimpy27 » Sat Oct 24, 2020 3:22 pm

nzahir wrote:
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nzahir wrote:Anthony Davis: LeBron James tells me Lakers are my team


This is hilarious. We all know whose team it is, but I guess Lebron has a way with words

https://sports.yahoo.com/anthony-davis-lebron-james-tells-210017408.html



I think LeBron honestly wants to give AD the keys like he was willing to do for Kyrie. The problem lies in the fact that he plays at such a high level on a consistent basis it's hard for players to match that. AD has probably been the closest player to LeBron in terms of skills (and 2011 wade), but LeBron can shift to certain gears like he did in game 5 of the Denver series or games 5 and 6 of the Heat and you're thinking to yourself: why did I even think AD was on the same foot as this guy. He has spurts of absolute brilliance and AD sees that as well. It's just about waiting to see when father time comes knocking on that door because other than that I really can't see it happening. They blended so well together, they have great synergy and so there is no reason to play any differently. AD will take over the reins when LeBron can't do it consistently anymore in the playoffs, but for now, It's still LeBron's team, and league.

Do you really think Lebron wants to give up his team to someone?

This is the only guy who can be brought up in the convo with MJ really. He is 2 fmvps away from tying MJ. I think he wants at least 1 more if he can.

AD is great and may even match Lebron next year, but I don't think he will b/c of how much Lebron creates for others

Man those 2015 injuries **** things up so bad

Could have easily been 5 rings, 5 fmvps rn

Not even counting the 2011 choke or KD destroying 2 years of his offensive peak in Cle


LeBron wants to see AD lead the team and he can give him that.

LeBron also wants AD to be the best player, but he doesn't want to give him that, he wants AD to take it.
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Post#123 » by DatAsh » Sat Oct 24, 2020 4:04 pm

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Jdw38 wrote:Hey Cavsfansince84,

I exaggerated calling it stupendous. But Lebron intentionally tried to give himself a major competitive advantage (though 2012-2014 proved him wrong), as his "not 1, not 2..." comments indicate. Also, I give Lebron credit for his HEat titles; on most days I now have Lebron as my personal GOAT.


“I have LeBron as my GOAT”

Every argument of yours in this thread in favor of Jordan/against LeBron. :lol:


A common tactic I often see for posters to try and make themselves seem less biased.

"Lebron is my favorite player, ... but..."
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Post#124 » by Jdw38 » Sat Oct 24, 2020 5:17 pm

If anybody took the time to actually look at my initial posts on realgm they’d see that I’ve called lebron my personal GOAT on account of the fact that he’s simply done to much, particularly after his 2020 campaign. I also posted against the idea entertained by many Lebron fans ,after the Lakers lost game 5 to the Heat, that Lebron was somehow incapable of having another epic game; Lebron is the GOAT or is at worst on the border of GOAT-status, of course he could have another great game (and he did). Some of you guys (not all) are just being willfully ignorant or overly sensitive from over-exposure to bad faith Jordan trolls. I can sympathize with this over-sensitivity to some degree, given how trolly the internet is, but jeez, I hope some of you see how your failure to give people the benefit of the doubt actually turns people into real bona fide trolls, it’s a feedback loop that breaks down communication, this is a problem plaguing not only realgm/the internet, but governments and countries across the free world, most notably the USA.
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Post#125 » by mademan » Sat Oct 24, 2020 5:17 pm

Is 2020 Lebron the second best Laker peak after Shaq?
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Post#126 » by Cavsfansince84 » Sat Oct 24, 2020 5:18 pm

zimpy27 wrote:
LeBron wants to see AD lead the team and he can give him that.

LeBron also wants AD to be the best player, but he doesn't want to give him that, he wants AD to take it.


I think LeBron likes seeing AD step up as a leader but LeBron will both be and be seen as the de facto leader of the team until he leaves or retires because that's just the way it is when you have a guy of LeBron's caliber who is also the primary playmaker for a team. Regarding who is seen as the better player, I don't think they really care. The goal is to win rings. Eventually AD will surpass LeBron just as Magic did with Kareem.
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Post#127 » by zimpy27 » Sat Oct 24, 2020 5:25 pm

mademan wrote:Is 2020 Lebron the second best Laker peak after Shaq?


Yeah I'd say it's close
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Post#128 » by RCM88x » Sat Oct 24, 2020 5:51 pm

zimpy27 wrote:
mademan wrote:Is 2020 Lebron the second best Laker peak after Shaq?


Yeah I'd say it's close

Kareem and Magic both have to be a tier higher too right? Really not sure I can say he's #2 but I guess statistically he rates pretty favorably.
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Post#129 » by Heej » Sat Oct 24, 2020 6:28 pm

It's hard for me to imagine 2020 Lebron is better than 87 Magic. And I'm sure early Lakers Kareem when he was at his peak had to have been better too.
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Post#130 » by xb3at band1tx » Sat Oct 24, 2020 7:20 pm

I think AD finally unlocks that final gear when it's clear LeBron is slowing down and can't really go to it as much.
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Post#131 » by D.Brasco » Sat Oct 24, 2020 7:23 pm

Heej wrote:It's hard for me to imagine 2020 Lebron is better than 87 Magic. And I'm sure early Lakers Kareem when he was at his peak had to have been better too.


I could understand stand that but 2020 LeBron would have been pretty damn lethal on that '87 Lakers squad.
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Post#132 » by Doctor MJ » Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:38 pm

kayess wrote:Absolutely shameful that Mikan isn't on that Lakers pic.


Couldn’t agree more, but not necessarily surprising.

The more whoa omission for me is Baylor. Many old school Angeleno Laker folk would be offended by that.



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Post#133 » by 70sFan » Sat Oct 24, 2020 10:20 pm

mademan wrote:Is 2020 Lebron the second best Laker peak after Shaq?

1977 Kareem was better than 2000 Shaq, so you have your answer ;)
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Post#134 » by D.Brasco » Sat Oct 24, 2020 10:42 pm

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kayess wrote:Absolutely shameful that Mikan isn't on that Lakers pic.


Couldn’t agree more, but not necessarily surprising.

The more whoa omission for me is Baylor. Many old school Angeleno Laker folk would be offended by that.



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From what I understand Mikan was blackballed by the NBA as a whole at some point not just the LA Lakers. I wonder if serving as the ABA commissioner if the reason for that?

Baylor is an omission.
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Post#135 » by limbo » Sat Oct 24, 2020 10:42 pm

70sFan wrote:
mademan wrote:Is 2020 Lebron the second best Laker peak after Shaq?

1977 Kareem was better than 2000 Shaq, so you have your answer ;)


As was Giannis ;)
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Post#136 » by D.Brasco » Sat Oct 24, 2020 10:44 pm

70sFan wrote:
mademan wrote:Is 2020 Lebron the second best Laker peak after Shaq?

1977 Kareem was better than 2000 Shaq, so you have your answer ;)


Are you factoring in playoffs into that? I feel 2000 Shaq's performance in the playoffs and finals have to tip the scale his way.
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Post#137 » by 70sFan » Sat Oct 24, 2020 10:59 pm

D.Brasco wrote:
70sFan wrote:
mademan wrote:Is 2020 Lebron the second best Laker peak after Shaq?

1977 Kareem was better than 2000 Shaq, so you have your answer ;)


Are you factoring in playoffs into that? I feel 2000 Shaq's performance in the playoffs and finals have to tip the scale his way.

Yes, I do. Kareem played as well as anybody in 1977 playoffs, this run might be the best I've ever seen anyone ever played individually.

The difference is that Shaq had strong, balanced team while Kareem played with guards who couldn't handle the ball and players who couldn't defender their own shadows.
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Post#138 » by D.Brasco » Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:09 pm

70sFan wrote:
D.Brasco wrote:
70sFan wrote:1977 Kareem was better than 2000 Shaq, so you have your answer ;)


Are you factoring in playoffs into that? I feel 2000 Shaq's performance in the playoffs and finals have to tip the scale his way.

Yes, I do. Kareem played as well as anybody in 1977 playoffs, this run might be the best I've ever seen anyone ever played individually.

The difference is that Shaq had strong, balanced team while Kareem played with guards who couldn't handle the ball and players who couldn't defender their own shadows.


I guess if you are comparing them purely as players, ignoring accolades or team results then that's a fair view for you to hold. But Shaq in 2000 had a legitimate GOAT candidate season, regular season MVP, finals MVP, sheer individual dominance, finals numbers still unmatched since then by any big. This was before Kobe started to take any of his shine as well.

I've never really heard Kareem's '77 season brought-up as an all-time season that way.
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Post#139 » by kayess » Sun Oct 25, 2020 12:04 am

Doctor MJ wrote:
kayess wrote:Absolutely shameful that Mikan isn't on that Lakers pic.


Couldn’t agree more, but not necessarily surprising.

The more whoa omission for me is Baylor. Many old school Angeleno Laker folk would be offended by that.



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Yeah - I wanted to say Baylor, but didn't want to get met with "YeAh bUt wE oNlY HaNg BaNnErS" since he, sadly, didn't win a ring with them.

So apparently Mikan wished for the team to be honored, instead of the individual... but I mean I think you grant that when he's alive and all that, but towards the end of his life/after, I think the importance of remembering him and what he meant to the franchise far outweighs his personal wishes, and in fact, would be in its spirit (showing that while he was the biggest reason the league flourished back then, he was the first of many).

**** Lakers man. Sorry Doc, I know you're an LA fan (though absolutely not what I usually think of when I think LA fan), but this is one of the things that irk me (aside from the generally obnoxious fanbase filled with morons and near-self-admitted-rapist worshippers)
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Post#140 » by toodles23 » Sun Oct 25, 2020 12:46 am

I'm watching some highlights of Lebron from 2015 and goddamn was his back **** before the Miami vacation. He's completely upright and stiff on all of his drives, he probably shouldn't have even been playing but there's no way he was going to sit out a large stretch early in his first season back in Cleveland.

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