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Post#21 » by EMG518 » Sun Oct 25, 2020 3:38 am

What you learn over time is not to give too much credence to certain measurements, for instance I don't care if Tre has a 40 inch vert, it doesn't translate to his game on the court.
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Post#22 » by BostonCouchGM » Sun Oct 25, 2020 4:37 am

getrichordie wrote:Interesting....

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those numbers confirm to me that he deserves to go in the 2nd round, closer to the middle than the top. He won't embarrass himself on the court but he's at best a net plus backup. Every team needs those so this isn't a slight.
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Post#23 » by BadWolf » Sun Oct 25, 2020 8:34 am

That standing reach is so far off the rest of the guys that I just don't believe it. Doesn't look too have a particularly small head or high shoulders either.
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Post#24 » by getrichordie » Sun Oct 25, 2020 2:19 pm

BadWolf wrote:That standing reach is so far off the rest of the guys that I just don't believe it. Doesn't look too have a particularly small head or high shoulders either.


To me, it always looked like Tre had higher shoulders. Anyways, it was double-checked and verified due to it being such an anomaly, but who knows if misinformation is just being thrown out there this year.
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Post#25 » by doordoor123 » Sun Oct 25, 2020 4:26 pm

EMG518 wrote:What you learn over time is not to give too much credence to certain measurements, for instance I don't care if Tre has a 40 inch vert, it doesn't translate to his game on the court.



Disagree, a lot of young players just don’t understand how it can be helpful. Like Devon Dotson didn’t dunk in all of college, but for some reason has been dunking a lot during the draft process. If he’d done that in college his fg% would have been higher. In the NBA if you can dunk, guys force you to dunk. Now Tre can dunk too apparently, that should help his case finishing. And Tyrell Terry can dunk too based on his workout. This guard class is getting deeper by the day.

The biggest thing to be about Dotson and Jones is that they could probably both be solid defensively. Both have legit starter potential.
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Post#26 » by doordoor123 » Sun Oct 25, 2020 4:30 pm

Yeah, that standing reach and vertical seem suspect. I just don’t believe he has that vertical. But if he does it’s great.
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Post#27 » by clyde21 » Sun Oct 25, 2020 6:52 pm

i don't even know wtf is happening anymore, just have the draft already.
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Post#28 » by EMG518 » Sun Oct 25, 2020 7:05 pm

doordoor123 wrote:
EMG518 wrote:What you learn over time is not to give too much credence to certain measurements, for instance I don't care if Tre has a 40 inch vert, it doesn't translate to his game on the court.



Disagree, a lot of young players just don’t understand how it can be helpful. Like Devon Dotson didn’t dunk in all of college, but for some reason has been dunking a lot during the draft process. If he’d done that in college his fg% would have been higher. In the NBA if you can dunk, guys force you to dunk. Now Tre can dunk too apparently, that should help his case finishing. And Tyrell Terry can dunk too based on his workout. This guard class is getting deeper by the day.

The biggest thing to be about Dotson and Jones is that they could probably both be solid defensively. Both have legit starter potential.


Have to agree to disagree, I couldn't be further in the other camp. To me there is a difference between on court athleticism and open gym athleticism.
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Post#29 » by doordoor123 » Sun Oct 25, 2020 7:49 pm

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doordoor123 wrote:
EMG518 wrote:What you learn over time is not to give too much credence to certain measurements, for instance I don't care if Tre has a 40 inch vert, it doesn't translate to his game on the court.



Disagree, a lot of young players just don’t understand how it can be helpful. Like Devon Dotson didn’t dunk in all of college, but for some reason has been dunking a lot during the draft process. If he’d done that in college his fg% would have been higher. In the NBA if you can dunk, guys force you to dunk. Now Tre can dunk too apparently, that should help his case finishing. And Tyrell Terry can dunk too based on his workout. This guard class is getting deeper by the day.

The biggest thing to be about Dotson and Jones is that they could probably both be solid defensively. Both have legit starter potential.


Have to agree to disagree, I couldn't be further in the other camp. To me there is a difference between on court athleticism and open gym athleticism.


Look at Pat Connaughton for example. Was a spot up shooter in college, but ever since recording a super high vertical has been been using his vertical to become a better fast-break finisher and rebounder. Without knowing what he was capable of he might never have been used in the way he is. Same for a guy like Caruso, who used to only lay it up, now tries to dunk it.

There is no difference between on court athleticism and open gym athleticism. Its the same. The difference is between the ears and across the floor. There are different levels of athleticism, guys who can jump off of one foot or two, guys who are more explosive or not, guys who are lankier or not, guys who are taller or not. There is a difference between someone who can get by a defender or get by the second line of defenders with speed. There is a difference between someone who can pivot faster or change directions quicker. No everyone has the same type of athleticism. Bigs who can't jump off of both two feet and one arent really in the league unless they're super skilled offensively, like Kanter. Someone might be a great one-foot jumper, but they might lack height, strength, burst. It can really affect their ability to get to the basket and have that opportunity, especially when there is a real 7 footer in the way. The NBA is a different game athletically, you have to be diverse athletically to make an impact. Gym athleticism and on court athleticism is only the same to people that don't understand this.
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Post#30 » by BostonCouchGM » Sun Oct 25, 2020 10:40 pm

doordoor123 wrote:
EMG518 wrote:
doordoor123 wrote:

Disagree, a lot of young players just don’t understand how it can be helpful. Like Devon Dotson didn’t dunk in all of college, but for some reason has been dunking a lot during the draft process. If he’d done that in college his fg% would have been higher. In the NBA if you can dunk, guys force you to dunk. Now Tre can dunk too apparently, that should help his case finishing. And Tyrell Terry can dunk too based on his workout. This guard class is getting deeper by the day.

The biggest thing to be about Dotson and Jones is that they could probably both be solid defensively. Both have legit starter potential.


Have to agree to disagree, I couldn't be further in the other camp. To me there is a difference between on court athleticism and open gym athleticism.


Look at Pat Connaughton for example. Was a spot up shooter in college, but ever since recording a super high vertical has been been using his vertical to become a better fast-break finisher and rebounder. Without knowing what he was capable of he might never have been used in the way he is. Same for a guy like Caruso, who used to only lay it up, now tries to dunk it.

There is no difference between on court athleticism and open gym athleticism. Its the same. The difference is between the ears and across the floor. There are different levels of athleticism, guys who can jump off of one foot or two, guys who are more explosive or not, guys who are lankier or not, guys who are taller or not. There is a difference between someone who can get by a defender or get by the second line of defenders with speed. There is a difference between someone who can pivot faster or change directions quicker. No everyone has the same type of athleticism. Bigs who can't jump off of both two feet and one arent really in the league unless they're super skilled offensively, like Kanter. Someone might be a great one-foot jumper, but they might lack height, strength, burst. It can really affect their ability to get to the basket and have that opportunity, especially when there is a real 7 footer in the way. The NBA is a different game athletically, you have to be diverse athletically to make an impact. Gym athleticism and on court athleticism is only the same to people that don't understand this.


There absolutely is and this is an indisputable fact proven all the time in every sport
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Post#31 » by KqWIN » Mon Oct 26, 2020 12:45 am

Yeah I can’t get behind the idea that Dotson, Jones, and Terry just learned that he can dunk the ball in simulated predraft drills. That’s a pretty ridiculous idea.
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Post#32 » by TheSuzerain » Mon Oct 26, 2020 12:53 am

doordoor123 wrote:
EMG518 wrote:
doordoor123 wrote:

Disagree, a lot of young players just don’t understand how it can be helpful. Like Devon Dotson didn’t dunk in all of college, but for some reason has been dunking a lot during the draft process. If he’d done that in college his fg% would have been higher. In the NBA if you can dunk, guys force you to dunk. Now Tre can dunk too apparently, that should help his case finishing. And Tyrell Terry can dunk too based on his workout. This guard class is getting deeper by the day.

The biggest thing to be about Dotson and Jones is that they could probably both be solid defensively. Both have legit starter potential.


Have to agree to disagree, I couldn't be further in the other camp. To me there is a difference between on court athleticism and open gym athleticism.


Look at Pat Connaughton for example. Was a spot up shooter in college, but ever since recording a super high vertical has been been using his vertical to become a better fast-break finisher and rebounder. Without knowing what he was capable of he might never have been used in the way he is. Same for a guy like Caruso, who used to only lay it up, now tries to dunk it.

There is no difference between on court athleticism and open gym athleticism. Its the same. The difference is between the ears and across the floor. There are different levels of athleticism, guys who can jump off of one foot or two, guys who are more explosive or not, guys who are lankier or not, guys who are taller or not. There is a difference between someone who can get by a defender or get by the second line of defenders with speed. There is a difference between someone who can pivot faster or change directions quicker. No everyone has the same type of athleticism. Bigs who can't jump off of both two feet and one arent really in the league unless they're super skilled offensively, like Kanter. Someone might be a great one-foot jumper, but they might lack height, strength, burst. It can really affect their ability to get to the basket and have that opportunity, especially when there is a real 7 footer in the way. The NBA is a different game athletically, you have to be diverse athletically to make an impact. Gym athleticism and on court athleticism is only the same to people that don't understand this.

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Post#33 » by getrichordie » Wed Oct 28, 2020 5:07 am

Read on Twitter
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Never forget that Mason Jones used to be 270 lbs as a senior in high school. :o
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Post#34 » by Nazrmohamed » Wed Oct 28, 2020 5:36 pm

BostonCouchGM wrote:
getrichordie wrote:Interesting....

Read on Twitter
?s=21


those numbers confirm to me that he deserves to go in the 2nd round, closer to the middle than the top. He won't embarrass himself on the court but he's at best a net plus backup. Every team needs those so this isn't a slight.


I wouldve never guessed these measurements and I agree with his future role. But this is a pleasant surprise.
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Post#35 » by MotownMadness » Wed Oct 28, 2020 6:56 pm

Nazrmohamed wrote:
BostonCouchGM wrote:
getrichordie wrote:Interesting....

Read on Twitter
?s=21


those numbers confirm to me that he deserves to go in the 2nd round, closer to the middle than the top. He won't embarrass himself on the court but he's at best a net plus backup. Every team needs those so this isn't a slight.


I wouldve never guessed these measurements and I agree with his future role. But this is a pleasant surprise.

Yeah that's pretty nice especially with his defensive awareness. He'll make for a really good role player if all goes to plan with him.
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Post#36 » by Stillwater » Wed Oct 28, 2020 7:21 pm

MotownMadness wrote:
Nazrmohamed wrote:
BostonCouchGM wrote:
those numbers confirm to me that he deserves to go in the 2nd round, closer to the middle than the top. He won't embarrass himself on the court but he's at best a net plus backup. Every team needs those so this isn't a slight.


I wouldve never guessed these measurements and I agree with his future role. But this is a pleasant surprise.

Yeah that's pretty nice especially with his defensive awareness. He'll make for a really good role player if all goes to plan with him.

There is a feeling that he is climbing into late lottery range and being slept on by most at this point because of the depth of pg in this class, but few consistently ranked ahead of him have the same production numbers on their resume so it is something to consider even if he does go mid 1st at the highest that whomever picks him gets one of the best true pgs in this class longterm.
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Post#37 » by doordoor123 » Wed Oct 28, 2020 10:00 pm

Tre Jones says he thinks he’s a mid-first rounder. He’s probably the most accurate passer in the draft and a very good defender. I think he has a promise.
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Post#38 » by BlazersBroncos » Wed Oct 28, 2020 10:04 pm

Tre Jones says he thinks he’s a mid-first rounder. He’s probably the most accurate passer in the draft and a very good defender. I think he has a promise.


I am going with Miami. Nunn is fools gold and Dragic is elderly. Jones can play off ball as a 3PT shooter when Herro / Jimmy are handling the rock and he his maturity, motor and defense fit that culture. He may be plug-and-play as well, having enough translatable skills to get minutes from the jump on a contender.
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Post#39 » by doordoor123 » Wed Oct 28, 2020 11:04 pm

BlazersBroncos wrote:
Tre Jones says he thinks he’s a mid-first rounder. He’s probably the most accurate passer in the draft and a very good defender. I think he has a promise.


I am going with Miami. Nunn is fools gold and Dragic is elderly. Jones can play off ball as a 3PT shooter when Herro / Jimmy are handling the rock and he his maturity, motor and defense fit that culture. He may be plug-and-play as well, having enough translatable skills to get minutes from the jump on a contender.


I have a feeling Nunn is going to be traded. I think they want to bring back Dragic, he meant so much to them. Unless they somehow wind up with CP3.
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Post#40 » by DayofMourning » Wed Oct 28, 2020 11:27 pm

I'd love to have Tre on the team. Not sure I'd want him with the 20th.

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