Indiana Pacers Draft Pick Watch Thread

Matches Malone · Post #1501 » by **Matches Malone** » Sun Oct 25, 2020 12:35 am

emunney wrote:
jakecronus8 wrote:
JimmyTheKid wrote:
I'd do this one as well.

Ive got a ballsy trade idea but don’t want to get flamed.

How about we flame you for cowardice if you don't share it. Change the math?

SHAME THEM! SHAME THEM!

jakecronus8 · Post #1502 » by **jakecronus8** » Sun Oct 25, 2020 12:48 am

emunney wrote:
jakecronus8 wrote:
JimmyTheKid wrote:
I'd do this one as well.

Ive got a ballsy trade idea but don’t want to get flamed.

How about we flame you for cowardice if you don't share it. Change the math?

Fair enough. This entire idea would hinge upon selling Giannis on essentially punting a season but would have long term upside, and also NY wanting to move up and capitalizing on the rumor that they want a vet point guard.

Golden State trades:
Andrew Wiggins
#2 overall pick in 2020
MIN 2021 FRP (top 3 pro in 21, unprotected in 22)

Receives
Khris Middleton
Brook Lopez

GS has that nice Iggy trade exemption to help facilitate this one and they run out

Lopez
Green
Middleton
Thompson
Curry

As they try to make one final run to end the dynasty

NY trades
Bobby Portis
Taj Gibson
Reggie Bullock
Wayne Ellington
#8 pick in 2020 draft

Receives
Eric Bledsoe
Andrew Wiggins
#2 pick in 2020 draft

NY picks up a guy that Thibs would probably love and...maaaaaybe they like Wiggins numbers (big ask here) and also move up for Ball or Wiseman at the expense of cap space and expirings.

Bucks trade
Khris Middleton
Brook Lopez

Receive
#8 pick in 2020 draft
Min first round pick in ‘21 (top 3 pro, unprotected’22)
Bobby Portis
Taj Gibson
Wayne Ellington
Reggie Bullock

Obviously this stings, but if my math is correct the Bucks would have about 16 mil in cap space this offseason to fill out the roster after the picks and potentially 2 max salary slots available next offseason with Giannis.

You’d have the #8 pick (you guys were talking Halliburton maybe, I’d like Hayes), #24 still, a potentially premium pick in a loaded ‘21 draft and maximum cap and roster flexibility moving forward. This is an obvious HARD reset but could potentially give this team a far greater upside. In a years time.

Go ahead and flame ya basterds.

Matches Malone · Post #1503 » by **Matches Malone** » Sun Oct 25, 2020 12:55 am

I want the strain you're smoking :lol:

I'm down with punting on our current roster and hoping we get more out of draft picks/cap space, but you'd be asking Giannis to potentially be punting on more than just one season as the picks settle in and get better. That would be an impossible ask, imo.

jakecronus8 · Post #1504 » by **jakecronus8** » Sun Oct 25, 2020 12:59 am

Matches Malone wrote:I want the strain you're smoking

I'm down with punting on our current roster and hoping we get more out of draft picks/cap space, but you'd be asking Giannis to potentially be punting on more than just one season as the picks settle in and get better. That would be an impossible ask, imo.

The picks would kind of be lottery tickets or a means to trade for stars that fit better with Giannis. The trade would be mostly about opening up possibilities for the team up scenario

ShootingtheJ · Post #1505 » by **ShootingtheJ** » Sun Oct 25, 2020 3:05 am

jakecronus8 wrote:
emunney wrote:
jakecronus8 wrote:Ive got a ballsy trade idea but don’t want to get flamed.

How about we flame you for cowardice if you don't share it. Change the math?

Fair enough. This entire idea would hinge upon selling Giannis on essentially punting a season but would have long term upside, and also NY wanting to move up and capitalizing on the rumor that they want a vet point guard.

Golden State trades:
Andrew Wiggins
#2 overall pick in 2020
MIN 2021 FRP (top 3 pro in 21, unprotected in 22)

Receives
Khris Middleton
Brook Lopez

GS has that nice Iggy trade exemption to help facilitate this one and they run out

Lopez
Green
Middleton
Thompson
Curry

As they try to make one final run to end the dynasty

NY trades
Bobby Portis
Taj Gibson
Reggie Bullock
Wayne Ellington
#8 pick in 2020 draft

Receives
Eric Bledsoe
Andrew Wiggins
#2 pick in 2020 draft

NY picks up a guy that Thibs would probably love and...maaaaaybe they like Wiggins numbers (big ask here) and also move up for Ball or Wiseman at the expense of cap space and expirings.

Bucks trade
Khris Middleton
Brook Lopez

Receive
#8 pick in 2020 draft
Min first round pick in ‘21 (top 3 pro, unprotected’22)
Bobby Portis
Taj Gibson
Wayne Ellington
Reggie Bullock

Obviously this stings, but if my math is correct the Bucks would have about 16 mil in cap space this offseason to fill out the roster after the picks and potentially 2 max salary slots available next offseason with Giannis.

You’d have the #8 pick (you guys were talking Halliburton maybe, I’d like Hayes), #24 still, a potentially premium pick in a loaded ‘21 draft and maximum cap and roster flexibility moving forward. This is an obvious HARD reset but could potentially give this team a far greater upside. In a years time.

Go ahead and flame ya basterds.

The 4 players your trading from NY are all non-guaranteed, so they'll all be cut by NY. All 4 will be playing on minimum deals next year in different cities. NY can acquire their players into cap space.

One more thing, we need to add about 3 more picks coming the Bucks way in this deal.

theFireBlanket · Post #1506 » by **theFireBlanket** » Sun Oct 25, 2020 5:07 am

If the Bucks hit reset like that, I'd say it's time to go after Kostas & get him in the games like Larry Drew did with Giannis.

I really don't know about sending Giannis' mates to GSW. His wife is from California, & the rumors have been pushed. Now they send his top teammates, one he's never played a season without there. If he wants to then join them next year, their silicon valley ownership will figure something out.

VooDoo7 · Post #1507 » by **VooDoo7** » Sun Oct 25, 2020 5:28 am

jakecronus8 wrote:
emunney wrote:
jakecronus8 wrote:Ive got a ballsy trade idea but don’t want to get flamed.

How about we flame you for cowardice if you don't share it. Change the math?

Fair enough.

Bucks trade
Khris Middleton
Brook Lopez

Receive
#8 pick in 2020 draft
Min first round pick in ‘21 (top 3 pro, unprotected’22)
Bobby Portis
Taj Gibson
Wayne Ellington
Reggie Bullock

Post #1508 » by **Prez** » Sun Oct 25, 2020 5:34 am

Could be wrong but I don’t think Giannis meant he’s cool with wasting a year of his prime when he said non traditional team building lol.

machu46 · Post #1509 » by **machu46** » Sun Oct 25, 2020 11:16 am

jakecronus8 wrote:
emunney wrote:
jakecronus8 wrote:Ive got a ballsy trade idea but don’t want to get flamed.

How about we flame you for cowardice if you don't share it. Change the math?

Fair enough. This entire idea would hinge upon selling Giannis on essentially punting a season but would have long term upside, and also NY wanting to move up and capitalizing on the rumor that they want a vet point guard.

Golden State trades:
Andrew Wiggins
#2 overall pick in 2020
MIN 2021 FRP (top 3 pro in 21, unprotected in 22)

Receives
Khris Middleton
Brook Lopez

GS has that nice Iggy trade exemption to help facilitate this one and they run out

Lopez
Green
Middleton
Thompson
Curry

As they try to make one final run to end the dynasty

NY trades
Bobby Portis
Taj Gibson
Reggie Bullock
Wayne Ellington
#8 pick in 2020 draft

Receives
Eric Bledsoe
Andrew Wiggins
#2 pick in 2020 draft

NY picks up a guy that Thibs would probably love and...maaaaaybe they like Wiggins numbers (big ask here) and also move up for Ball or Wiseman at the expense of cap space and expirings.

Bucks trade
Khris Middleton
Brook Lopez

Receive
#8 pick in 2020 draft
Min first round pick in ‘21 (top 3 pro, unprotected’22)
Bobby Portis
Taj Gibson
Wayne Ellington
Reggie Bullock

Obviously this stings, but if my math is correct the Bucks would have about 16 mil in cap space this offseason to fill out the roster after the picks and potentially 2 max salary slots available next offseason with Giannis.

You’d have the #8 pick (you guys were talking Halliburton maybe, I’d like Hayes), #24 still, a potentially premium pick in a loaded ‘21 draft and maximum cap and roster flexibility moving forward. This is an obvious HARD reset but could potentially give this team a far greater upside. In a years time.

Go ahead and flame ya basterds.

I’d say this is unrealistic in general but you pretty much admitted as much before you even posted it.

But also, unless the CBA has recently changed, you can’t combine trade exceptions with players, other exceptions, etc. so the Warriors trade doesn’t work if that’s what you were relying on.

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LuessiT · Post #1510 » by **LuessiT** » Sun Oct 25, 2020 11:49 am

I do agree that Haliburton should be somewhere at the top of this draft. My problem with him is his archetype, not his talent. Would look great on the Hawks imo.

Also I kind of have troubles with Wiseman. In today's NBA to warrant being drafted that highly you need to shoot the 3 and protect the rim at a very high level. And right now it's at least in question if Wiseman can do either at the required level.

Still coming back to Hayes as the top dog in the draft. Imo he's an archetype you're fine investing into with a top pick, has a great progression curve in the past and has a reasonable pathway to stardom.

midranger · Post #1511 » by **midranger** » Sun Oct 25, 2020 6:51 pm

The trade obviously sucks, but I’m trying to figure out why NYK is getting to trade up from pick 8 to 2 in the deal, while getting two starters for a poopoo platter of fringe nba players. Just Wiggins’s contract?

Rstuedes24 · Post #1512 » by **Rstuedes24** » Mon Oct 26, 2020 12:15 am

Ramsey would still be my choice at 24, Bane and Tyrell would also be great

RiotPunch · Post #1513 » by **RiotPunch** » Mon Oct 26, 2020 2:07 am

I think Jah is McLemore 2.0 with clueless team defense. Hard pass.

BucksFanSD · Post #1514 » by **BucksFanSD** » Mon Oct 26, 2020 3:11 am

Rstuedes24 wrote:Ramsey would still be my choice at 24, Bane and Tyrell would also be great

I've wanted Terry with the Pacers pick since April when he was seen as a 2nd round pick. Today, I think he goes #10 to the Suns.

I'd be fine with Bane or Ramsey at #24. Shooting has great value and I think GMs will covet that this draft.

drone3 · Post #1515 » by **drone3** » Mon Oct 26, 2020 5:54 am

BucksFanSD wrote:
Rstuedes24 wrote:Ramsey would still be my choice at 24, Bane and Tyrell would also be great

I've wanted Terry with the Pacers pick since April when he was seen as a 2nd round pick. Today, I think he goes #10 to the Suns.

I'd be fine with Bane or Ramsey at #24. Shooting has great value and I think GMs will covet that this draft.

Like all three of these guys, could also add Woodard to the list. I would probably rank them

1. Terry
2. Ramsey
3. Woodard
4. Bane

drone3 · Post #1516 » by **drone3** » Mon Oct 26, 2020 6:01 am

RiotPunch wrote:I think Jah is McLemore 2.0 with clueless team defense. Hard pass.

19yr old with 3 level scoring potential and swagger. He has great footwork and has shown small flashes of passing. He definitely needs work on team D concepts but he's got boatloads of potential.

RiotPunch · Post #1517 » by **RiotPunch** » Mon Oct 26, 2020 6:24 am

drone3 wrote:
RiotPunch wrote:I think Jah is McLemore 2.0 with clueless team defense. Hard pass.
19yr old with 3 level scoring potential and swagger. He has great footwork and has shown small flashes of passing. He definitely needs work on team D concepts but he's got boatloads of potential.

I just don't see it with him. I liked him early in the process but have soured to the point where he's in the 40's in my rankings.

For as athletic he is vertically, he is such a stiff mover, struggles to get passed dudes. I think he is a net negative C&S guy. Age is in his favor, but think he's not giving anything positive until his 2nd contract. Can't unsee Tech vs Baylor.

drone3 · Post #1518 » by **drone3** » Mon Oct 26, 2020 7:18 am

RiotPunch wrote:
drone3 wrote:
RiotPunch wrote:I think Jah is McLemore 2.0 with clueless team defense. Hard pass.
19yr old with 3 level scoring potential and swagger. He has great footwork and has shown small flashes of passing. He definitely needs work on team D concepts but he's got boatloads of potential.

I just don't see it with him. I liked him early in the process but have soured to the point where he's in the 40's in my rankings.

For as athletic he is vertically, he is such a stiff mover, struggles to get passed dudes. I think he is a net negative C&S guy. Age is in his favor, but think he's not giving anything positive until his 2nd contract. Can't unsee Tech vs Baylor.

Yeh, I see what you mean. I'm starting to question him now. Especially the lack of effort on D, massive red flag.

drone3 · Post #1519 » by **drone3** » Mon Oct 26, 2020 11:47 am

LuessiT wrote:
Ron Swanson wrote:Bolmaro personally does nothing for me. Poor shooting touch, good-not-great athleticism for a 2-guard, so-so defensive instincts. Good passing instincts and court vision but he seems just as much the product of highlight videos and the "he's young-ish" quantifier. Ditto with Maledon. I value age when it comes to projected upside but there also has to at least be flashes of some projectable, elite offensive skills, and I don't see it with either guy. Would easily prefer a guy like Woodard's upside even if it's just Jae Crowder level upside.

I agree that Maledon has no elite skill, but it's pretty rare for such a young prospect in the late first to be so NBA ready. Also while his jumper has two motions, it's compact, reasonably quick, he's getting good elevation and has decent footwork. It's not an elite skill, but it's definately very promising.

Is Maledons passing not elite? Think he would be the best passer on the Bucks

Brewhoopfan · Post #1520 » by **Brewhoopfan** » Mon Oct 26, 2020 4:00 pm

I see a lot of Sterling Brown in Desmond Bane. That's not necessarily a bad thing as I think it's a valuable skillset with some added BBIQ.

My upside pick is Tyrese Maxey, but I doubt he falls to us.

I think Tre Jones would be solid from day 1, but I also don't see a ton of upside there.