Michael Jordan's Three-Point Shot Selection

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Re: Michael Jordan's Three-Point Shot Selection 

Post#41 » by trueballer7 » Sun Oct 25, 2020 7:39 pm

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The4thHorseman wrote:What a player did on another team 3yrs prior (just an example) to playing with James or Jordan makes no difference on a title winning team.

If Shaq's last All-NBA selection was in2005, doesn't mean James had an All-NBA player in 2010 when playing with Shaq.

What matters is the same season selection while being teammates.

From 2011-2018, Wade and Irving were the only 2 teammates who made All-NBA (3× combined) whille playing with James.

Why franchise players in their prime, Bosh, Love etc fail to reach their potential or get the recognition that players like Draymond Green get, should be more concerning than absolving. The pattern is far too consistent to be ignored

When was Draymond first option on a losing team, putting up big stats, before becoming 3rd option?

Which star player has ever gone from 1st option to 3rd option and kept his similar 1st option stats?

This year, and he wasnt putting up any big stats because, as you very well know yourself, Draymond isnt even close to Kevin Love's or Chris Bosh's individual talent.
Now, I've got the impression that if Draymond Green was playing alongside Lebron, especially as a starter and a third option, you'be killing him with no mercy.
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Post#42 » by Alize » Sun Oct 25, 2020 8:06 pm

A strange paradox.
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But wait Jordan lunatic, I thought he worked on his game harder then anyone in the history of sports?


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Re: Michael Jordan's Three-Point Shot Selection 

Post#43 » by The4thHorseman » Sun Oct 25, 2020 8:12 pm

trueballer7 wrote:
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trueballer7 wrote: Why franchise players in their prime, Bosh, Love etc fail to reach their potential or get the recognition that players like Draymond Green get, should be more concerning than absolving. The pattern is far too consistent to be ignored

When was Draymond first option on a losing team, putting up big stats, before becoming 3rd option?

Which star player has ever gone from 1st option to 3rd option and kept his similar 1st option stats?

This year, and he wasnt putting up any big stats because, as you very well know yourself, Draymond isnt even close to Kevin Love's or Chris Bosh's individual talent.
Now, I've got the impression that if Draymond Green was playing alongside Lebron, especially as a starter and a third option, you'be killing him with no mercy.

This year?? Green was never 1st option for a season before becoming the 3rd option for GS.

Yes, Bosh and Love were better offensive players, but that was on bad teams. Empty stats as you like to say

Why would I be killing Green if he was 3rd option and was voted DPOY runner-up and All-NBA like he was in 2016?

Like I asked, which 1st option star like Bosh or Love kept (or came close to) those stats after a season of being 3rd option?
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Re: Michael Jordan's Three-Point Shot Selection 

Post#44 » by trueballer7 » Sun Oct 25, 2020 8:33 pm

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The4thHorseman wrote:When was Draymond first option on a losing team, putting up big stats, before becoming 3rd option?

Which star player has ever gone from 1st option to 3rd option and kept his similar 1st option stats?

This year, and he wasnt putting up any big stats because, as you very well know yourself, Draymond isnt even close to Kevin Love's or Chris Bosh's individual talent.
Now, I've got the impression that if Draymond Green was playing alongside Lebron, especially as a starter and a third option, you'be killing him with no mercy.

This year?? Green was never 1st option for a season before becoming the 3rd option for GS.

Yes, Bosh and Love were better offensive players, but that was on bad teams. Empty stats as you like to say

Why would I be killing Green if he was 3rd option and was voted DPOY runner-up and All-NBA like he was in 2016?

Like I asked, which 1st option star like Bosh or Love kept (or came close to) those stats after a season of being 3rd option?

Because he wouldnt be voted DPOY or runner-up and All-NBA playing besides Lebron, if much much better players than him failed to do so. Isnt that clear by now?
Also, lets assume that 1 option stars, becoming third options offensively harms their offensive output -which of course is true and had nothing to do with my argument. Why would Love's and Bosh's rebounding stats drop too and how did that drop off affects your evaluation of them. Would you be saying the same things, if Love was averaging 15 rebounds per game, like he did playing with the Wolves?
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Re: Michael Jordan's Three-Point Shot Selection 

Post#45 » by Magic Is Magic » Sun Oct 25, 2020 8:38 pm

trueballer7 wrote:
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trueballer7 wrote: This year, and he wasnt putting up any big stats because, as you very well know yourself, Draymond isnt even close to Kevin Love's or Chris Bosh's individual talent.
Now, I've got the impression that if Draymond Green was playing alongside Lebron, especially as a starter and a third option, you'be killing him with no mercy.

This year?? Green was never 1st option for a season before becoming the 3rd option for GS.

Yes, Bosh and Love were better offensive players, but that was on bad teams. Empty stats as you like to say

Why would I be killing Green if he was 3rd option and was voted DPOY runner-up and All-NBA like he was in 2016?

Like I asked, which 1st option star like Bosh or Love kept (or came close to) those stats after a season of being 3rd option?

Because he wouldnt be voted DPOY or runner-up and All-NBA playing besides Lebron, if much much better players than him failed to do so. Isnt that clear by now?
Also, lets assume that 1 option stars, becoming third options offensively harms their offensive output -which of course is true and had nothing to do with my argument. Why would Love's and Bosh's rebounding stats drop too and how did that drop off affects your evaluation of them. Would you be saying the same things, if Love was averaging 15 rebounds per game, like he did playing with the Wolves?


Now your high-level analysis is asking us why did Love and Bosh's rebounding #s drop when they started playing with one of the greatest rebounders in league history? Well, if you can't answer that one then we are wasting time.
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Re: Michael Jordan's Three-Point Shot Selection 

Post#46 » by trueballer7 » Sun Oct 25, 2020 8:44 pm

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The4thHorseman wrote:This year?? Green was never 1st option for a season before becoming the 3rd option for GS.

Yes, Bosh and Love were better offensive players, but that was on bad teams. Empty stats as you like to say

Why would I be killing Green if he was 3rd option and was voted DPOY runner-up and All-NBA like he was in 2016?

Like I asked, which 1st option star like Bosh or Love kept (or came close to) those stats after a season of being 3rd option?

Because he wouldnt be voted DPOY or runner-up and All-NBA playing besides Lebron, if much much better players than him failed to do so. Isnt that clear by now?
Also, lets assume that 1 option stars, becoming third options offensively harms their offensive output -which of course is true and had nothing to do with my argument. Why would Love's and Bosh's rebounding stats drop too and how did that drop off affects your evaluation of them. Would you be saying the same things, if Love was averaging 15 rebounds per game, like he did playing with the Wolves?


Now your high-level analysis is asking us why did Love and Bosh's rebounding #s drop when they started playing with one of the greatest rebounders in league history? Well, if you can't answer that one then we are wasting time.

Give us a hand love, and enlighten us. Why did their rebounding average drop and not his? After all, they both rank much higher than him all time rebounding average.
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Re: Michael Jordan's Three-Point Shot Selection 

Post#47 » by The4thHorseman » Sun Oct 25, 2020 8:57 pm

trueballer7 wrote:
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trueballer7 wrote: This year, and he wasnt putting up any big stats because, as you very well know yourself, Draymond isnt even close to Kevin Love's or Chris Bosh's individual talent.
Now, I've got the impression that if Draymond Green was playing alongside Lebron, especially as a starter and a third option, you'be killing him with no mercy.

This year?? Green was never 1st option for a season before becoming the 3rd option for GS.

Yes, Bosh and Love were better offensive players, but that was on bad teams. Empty stats as you like to say

Why would I be killing Green if he was 3rd option and was voted DPOY runner-up and All-NBA like he was in 2016?

Like I asked, which 1st option star like Bosh or Love kept (or came close to) those stats after a season of being 3rd option?

Because he wouldnt be voted DPOY or runner-up and All-NBA playing besides Lebron, if much much better players than him failed to do so. Isnt that clear by now?
Also, lets assume that 1 option stars, becoming third options offensively harms their offensive output -which of course is true and had nothing to do with my argument. Why would Love's and Bosh's rebounding stats drop too and how did that drop off affects your evaluation of them. Would you be saying the same things, if Love was averaging 15 rebounds per game, like he did playing with the Wolves?

How does Lebron's presence affect a teammates defensive play? You're reaching it's quite hilarious.

Bosh and Love's rebounding stats went down cause they no longer played under the rim nearly as much. Bosh said himself he didn't want to bang down low any longer due to the toll it took on his body.

How has Love done since becoming 1st option again with the Cavs? Why did Bosh's 3PA increase in 2015 after James left? Why didn't they start putting Minny and Toronto numbers after no longer having James for a teammate?
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Re: Michael Jordan's Three-Point Shot Selection 

Post#48 » by trueballer7 » Sun Oct 25, 2020 9:20 pm

The4thHorseman wrote:
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The4thHorseman wrote:This year?? Green was never 1st option for a season before becoming the 3rd option for GS.

Yes, Bosh and Love were better offensive players, but that was on bad teams. Empty stats as you like to say

Why would I be killing Green if he was 3rd option and was voted DPOY runner-up and All-NBA like he was in 2016?

Like I asked, which 1st option star like Bosh or Love kept (or came close to) those stats after a season of being 3rd option?

Because he wouldnt be voted DPOY or runner-up and All-NBA playing besides Lebron, if much much better players than him failed to do so. Isnt that clear by now?
Also, lets assume that 1 option stars, becoming third options offensively harms their offensive output -which of course is true and had nothing to do with my argument. Why would Love's and Bosh's rebounding stats drop too and how did that drop off affects your evaluation of them. Would you be saying the same things, if Love was averaging 15 rebounds per game, like he did playing with the Wolves?

How does Lebron's presence affect a teammates defensive play? You're reaching it's quite hilarious.

Bosh and Love's rebounding stats went down cause they no longer played under the rim nearly as much. Bosh said himself he didn't want to bang down low any longer due to the toll it took on his body.

How has Love done since becoming 1st option again with the Cavs? Why did Bosh's 3PA increase in 2015 after James left? Why didn't they start putting Minny and Toronto numbers after no longer having James for a teammate?

Anthony Davis rebounding stats dropped too. Has he gone away from the basket too, does he avoid contact?
Lebrons' presence doesnt affect the defensive play in particular, rather it makes it necessary that he is surrounded by mostly great offensive players who are less likely to be good defenders, with the very rare exception of a mega star like Anthony Davis. Draymond would never start for a Lebron team, because he cant score big and his shooting isnt dependable.
If people take a look at Dwight Howards' resume and compare it to Dennis Rodmans', they'll see they're as identical as two NBA veterans ever had. Of course Dwight was once a franchise player and Dennis never was, and Dwight was a better scorer too, but thats besides the point. Rondo is an all time great defender too and an all time great playmaker. Neither is starting for the Lakers.
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Re: Michael Jordan's Three-Point Shot Selection 

Post#49 » by ReddoverKobe » Sun Oct 25, 2020 9:29 pm

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trueballer7 wrote: Playmaking is easy for MJ, its a role players job. He averaged 11,5 assists in his only Finals appearance as a full time playmaker and won 5-1. Meanwhile Lepron has played 10 Finals as a playmaker and the ultimate empty numbers statpadder, in the inflated stats era, and never reached that number. Go figure.


You guys have gone off the deep end. Its actually scary how delusional Jordan fans are.

Like Lebron you mean? I agree. Wearing 23, remaking Space Jam, smoking cigars in the press conference, throwing powder in the air before cames. If that aint scary delusional Jordan fan, I dont know what is


You heard it here first boys, Jordan invented smoking cigars. Thank you proving my point.
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Post#50 » by Heat3 » Sun Oct 25, 2020 10:11 pm

Back then shooting 33% from 3pt was pretty good. Maybe taking 3 shots a game is what the better long range shooters did.
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Re: Michael Jordan's Three-Point Shot Selection 

Post#51 » by trueballer7 » Sun Oct 25, 2020 10:23 pm

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trueballer7 wrote:
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You guys have gone off the deep end. Its actually scary how delusional Jordan fans are.

Like Lebron you mean? I agree. Wearing 23, remaking Space Jam, smoking cigars in the press conference, throwing powder in the air before cames. If that aint scary delusional Jordan fan, I dont know what is


You heard it here first boys, Jordan invented smoking cigars. Thank you proving my point.

I dont believe you thank me at all. Quite the opposite.
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Re: Michael Jordan's Three-Point Shot Selection 

Post#52 » by SonicMcMahon » Mon Oct 26, 2020 12:12 am

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Alize wrote:Ultra-competitive, if he wanted he would break Curry 3pt record.
Sofia wrote:Jordan receiving credit for something he didn’t do, but could’ve if he really wanted to?


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He could’ve broke the rebounding record too but he chose not to.

On that basis, he should be considered one of the best rebounders of all time.


Wanted to quote this for emphasis, because I think it bares repeating.

While I do think MJ could definitely shoot something like 37, 38% from three if his era called for it, I think its ridiculous to come in here and say things like he could break Curry's record, or he'd easily be a great 3pt shooter.

...And I think MJ's the GOAT.
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Re: Michael Jordan's Three-Point Shot Selection 

Post#53 » by FreeThrowLine » Mon Oct 26, 2020 2:12 am

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In 1991, the Trail Blazer had three All-Stars, the Celtics had three All-Stars, the Lakers had two All-Stars, the Jazz had two All-Stars, the 76ers had two All-Stars, the Pistons had two All-Stars, the Bucks had two All-Stars...

That's seven teams in one season that had more All-Stars than the Bulls, and two of them had two more than the Bulls, whose only All-Star was Jordan.

In 1992, the Pistons had three All-Stars, the Cavaliers had two All-Stars, the Celtics had two All-Stars, the Hawks had two All-Stars, the Suns had two All-Stars, the Rockets had two All-Stars, the Lakers had two All-Stars, the Warriors had two All-Stars, and the Jazz had two All-Stars. The Bulls had two, including the MVP and FMVP, Michael Jordan.

That's nine teams that had as many or more All-Stars as the Bulls in 1992. You can keep telling yourself that the reason none of those teams won the title was Horace Grant, but... I mean, seriously... :lol:

In 1993, the Cavaliers had three All-Stars, the Warriors had three All-Stars, the Pistons had two All-Stars, the Suns had two All-Stars, the Spurs had two All-Stars, the Jazz had two All-Stars...

That's at least six teams with as many All-Stars as the Bulls, including two that had more than the Bulls.

I hope you'll forgive me if going through and comparing the stats of the third best player on every team in the league to the stats of Horace Grant for three consecutive seasons isn't my idea of a good time.

Pippen and Grant were great players. But you're playing a losing game, my friend. Swap Jordan with any best player on half a dozen teams in any of those three seasons, and you're getting the same result: Michael Jordan, Finals MVP. I know I'm not really talking to you, because I know you're too dug in, but I took the time because your take is a tired, old one, and maybe someone else will take a look at this post and realize that what made the Bulls as "stacked" as they were in 91-93 was having the best to ever play on their side. Did he have help? Sure, same as every other champ in history. But these weren't superteams. They were just great teams being lead by a guy who made everyone else better in every way imaginable.


Great post, I like how he stops after Pippen and Grant because once you realise Cartwright and Paxson were the next 2 options you definitely don't want to bring that up. So many teams had better depth, if you look at just the finals opponents and ignore the depth of teams they had to pass in the East you realise the Bulls roster outside of those 3 was really just low level role players at best.

Comparing that to the Blazers just to use one example, the difference once you take out each teams top 3 players is so heavily favoured to pretty much every finals opponent
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Post#54 » by Magic Is Magic » Mon Oct 26, 2020 2:17 am

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scrabbarista wrote:
In 1991, the Trail Blazer had three All-Stars, the Celtics had three All-Stars, the Lakers had two All-Stars, the Jazz had two All-Stars, the 76ers had two All-Stars, the Pistons had two All-Stars, the Bucks had two All-Stars...

That's seven teams in one season that had more All-Stars than the Bulls, and two of them had two more than the Bulls, whose only All-Star was Jordan.

In 1992, the Pistons had three All-Stars, the Cavaliers had two All-Stars, the Celtics had two All-Stars, the Hawks had two All-Stars, the Suns had two All-Stars, the Rockets had two All-Stars, the Lakers had two All-Stars, the Warriors had two All-Stars, and the Jazz had two All-Stars. The Bulls had two, including the MVP and FMVP, Michael Jordan.

That's nine teams that had as many or more All-Stars as the Bulls in 1992. You can keep telling yourself that the reason none of those teams won the title was Horace Grant, but... I mean, seriously... :lol:

In 1993, the Cavaliers had three All-Stars, the Warriors had three All-Stars, the Pistons had two All-Stars, the Suns had two All-Stars, the Spurs had two All-Stars, the Jazz had two All-Stars...

That's at least six teams with as many All-Stars as the Bulls, including two that had more than the Bulls.

I hope you'll forgive me if going through and comparing the stats of the third best player on every team in the league to the stats of Horace Grant for three consecutive seasons isn't my idea of a good time.

Pippen and Grant were great players. But you're playing a losing game, my friend. Swap Jordan with any best player on half a dozen teams in any of those three seasons, and you're getting the same result: Michael Jordan, Finals MVP. I know I'm not really talking to you, because I know you're too dug in, but I took the time because your take is a tired, old one, and maybe someone else will take a look at this post and realize that what made the Bulls as "stacked" as they were in 91-93 was having the best to ever play on their side. Did he have help? Sure, same as every other champ in history. But these weren't superteams. They were just great teams being lead by a guy who made everyone else better in every way imaginable.


Great post, I like how he stops after Pippen and Grant because once you realise Cartwright and Paxson were the next 2 options you definitely don't want to bring that up. So many teams had better depth, if you look at just the finals opponents and ignore the depth of teams they had to pass in the East you realise the Bulls roster outside of those 3 was really just low level role players at best.

Comparing that to the Blazers just to use one example, the difference once you take out each teams top 3 players is so heavily favoured to pretty much every finals opponent


Toni Kukoc and Dennis Rodman and Ron Harper are "low level role players" now? Sounds like you need to turn in our Basketball Discussion card until further notice.
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Re: Michael Jordan's Three-Point Shot Selection 

Post#55 » by twyzted » Mon Oct 26, 2020 2:24 am

Magic Is Magic wrote:
FreeThrowLine wrote:
scrabbarista wrote:
In 1991, the Trail Blazer had three All-Stars, the Celtics had three All-Stars, the Lakers had two All-Stars, the Jazz had two All-Stars, the 76ers had two All-Stars, the Pistons had two All-Stars, the Bucks had two All-Stars...

That's seven teams in one season that had more All-Stars than the Bulls, and two of them had two more than the Bulls, whose only All-Star was Jordan.

In 1992, the Pistons had three All-Stars, the Cavaliers had two All-Stars, the Celtics had two All-Stars, the Hawks had two All-Stars, the Suns had two All-Stars, the Rockets had two All-Stars, the Lakers had two All-Stars, the Warriors had two All-Stars, and the Jazz had two All-Stars. The Bulls had two, including the MVP and FMVP, Michael Jordan.

That's nine teams that had as many or more All-Stars as the Bulls in 1992. You can keep telling yourself that the reason none of those teams won the title was Horace Grant, but... I mean, seriously... :lol:

In 1993, the Cavaliers had three All-Stars, the Warriors had three All-Stars, the Pistons had two All-Stars, the Suns had two All-Stars, the Spurs had two All-Stars, the Jazz had two All-Stars...

That's at least six teams with as many All-Stars as the Bulls, including two that had more than the Bulls.

I hope you'll forgive me if going through and comparing the stats of the third best player on every team in the league to the stats of Horace Grant for three consecutive seasons isn't my idea of a good time.

Pippen and Grant were great players. But you're playing a losing game, my friend. Swap Jordan with any best player on half a dozen teams in any of those three seasons, and you're getting the same result: Michael Jordan, Finals MVP. I know I'm not really talking to you, because I know you're too dug in, but I took the time because your take is a tired, old one, and maybe someone else will take a look at this post and realize that what made the Bulls as "stacked" as they were in 91-93 was having the best to ever play on their side. Did he have help? Sure, same as every other champ in history. But these weren't superteams. They were just great teams being lead by a guy who made everyone else better in every way imaginable.


Great post, I like how he stops after Pippen and Grant because once you realise Cartwright and Paxson were the next 2 options you definitely don't want to bring that up. So many teams had better depth, if you look at just the finals opponents and ignore the depth of teams they had to pass in the East you realise the Bulls roster outside of those 3 was really just low level role players at best.

Comparing that to the Blazers just to use one example, the difference once you take out each teams top 3 players is so heavily favoured to pretty much every finals opponent


Toni Kukoc and Dennis Rodman and Ron Harper are "low level role players" now? Sounds like you need to turn in our Basketball Discussion card until further notice.


You did ask for when pippen and grant were on the bulls.
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Re: Michael Jordan's Three-Point Shot Selection 

Post#56 » by FreeThrowLine » Mon Oct 26, 2020 2:26 am

Magic Is Magic wrote:
FreeThrowLine wrote:
scrabbarista wrote:
In 1991, the Trail Blazer had three All-Stars, the Celtics had three All-Stars, the Lakers had two All-Stars, the Jazz had two All-Stars, the 76ers had two All-Stars, the Pistons had two All-Stars, the Bucks had two All-Stars...

That's seven teams in one season that had more All-Stars than the Bulls, and two of them had two more than the Bulls, whose only All-Star was Jordan.

In 1992, the Pistons had three All-Stars, the Cavaliers had two All-Stars, the Celtics had two All-Stars, the Hawks had two All-Stars, the Suns had two All-Stars, the Rockets had two All-Stars, the Lakers had two All-Stars, the Warriors had two All-Stars, and the Jazz had two All-Stars. The Bulls had two, including the MVP and FMVP, Michael Jordan.

That's nine teams that had as many or more All-Stars as the Bulls in 1992. You can keep telling yourself that the reason none of those teams won the title was Horace Grant, but... I mean, seriously... :lol:

In 1993, the Cavaliers had three All-Stars, the Warriors had three All-Stars, the Pistons had two All-Stars, the Suns had two All-Stars, the Spurs had two All-Stars, the Jazz had two All-Stars...

That's at least six teams with as many All-Stars as the Bulls, including two that had more than the Bulls.

I hope you'll forgive me if going through and comparing the stats of the third best player on every team in the league to the stats of Horace Grant for three consecutive seasons isn't my idea of a good time.

Pippen and Grant were great players. But you're playing a losing game, my friend. Swap Jordan with any best player on half a dozen teams in any of those three seasons, and you're getting the same result: Michael Jordan, Finals MVP. I know I'm not really talking to you, because I know you're too dug in, but I took the time because your take is a tired, old one, and maybe someone else will take a look at this post and realize that what made the Bulls as "stacked" as they were in 91-93 was having the best to ever play on their side. Did he have help? Sure, same as every other champ in history. But these weren't superteams. They were just great teams being lead by a guy who made everyone else better in every way imaginable.


Great post, I like how he stops after Pippen and Grant because once you realise Cartwright and Paxson were the next 2 options you definitely don't want to bring that up. So many teams had better depth, if you look at just the finals opponents and ignore the depth of teams they had to pass in the East you realise the Bulls roster outside of those 3 was really just low level role players at best.

Comparing that to the Blazers just to use one example, the difference once you take out each teams top 3 players is so heavily favoured to pretty much every finals opponent


Toni Kukoc and Dennis Rodman and Ron Harper are "low level role players" now? Sounds like you need to turn in our Basketball Discussion card until further notice.


I think you should turn yours in, if you think they were on the roster the same time as Pippen and GRANT since that was the specific example given
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Re: Michael Jordan's Three-Point Shot Selection 

Post#57 » by FreeThrowLine » Mon Oct 26, 2020 2:46 am

Back to the actual discussion, since it's been taken off topic by the usual insufferable Lebron fans, seriously the same posters you can count on to come into any MJ topic and try any angle to make him look bad because they know their hero will never overtake him :lol:


Regarding 3 point shooting in that era and MJ specifically, it wasn't anywhere near part of a teams offensive makeup at the time, nor was it part of the Bulls strategy when you run a triangle offense.

Nor did the coaches or MJ want to bail out other teams by having him jack them up all game when his biggest strengths on offense involved his first step, getting to the basket and finishing and putting defenders in foul trouble + making them work on defense

In the last 82 game season, Lauri Markkanen attempted 332 threes

In Jordan's rookie year the entire Bulls team attempted 161, less than half of Markkanens attempts, in fact it wasn't until Paxson and Hodges started putting them up in the 88/89 season that the entire team took more than what Lauri put up in the 2019 season

In Jordans entire 15 year career he never attempted more than 297 in any season, in fact in 9 of those season he attempted under 100 threes and had one season he attempted exactly 100

The 4 seasons he attempted 200+ threes (2 with the shortened line) his percentages were the highest (excluding the 50% he shot in the first come back in just 17 games)

96/97 he shot 37.4% on 297 attempts (shortened line)
95/96 he shot 42.7% on 260 attempts (shortened line)
89/90 he shot 37.6% on 245 attempts
92/93 he shot 35.2% on 230 attempts

In the 11 other seasons he played he only attempted more than 100 threes in a season one time

In just 170 games Markkanen has attempted 1,050 threes

In 1,072 games MJ attempted 1,778 threes

It's a completely different approach now than it used to be and yes anyone that watched knows that MJ wasn't the type to dribble out the clock without heaving it up. Those attempts, plus all the ones he had to try and bail out an offense that relied on him with the shot clock running down would have had some impact on his actual 3 point percentage.

If you take just 1 bail out 3/heave every 2nd game that's around 40 a season. When you consider the majority of his season he didn't even attempt 100 total you can imagine what kind of effect that would have. Even just 1 of those every 4 games is a large % of your total attempts.

I believe is more than what today's stars do as they intentionally take that extra dribble to protect their stats, or don't even attempt the shot as I was shocked to see many times in the playoffs this season
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Re: Michael Jordan's Three-Point Shot Selection 

Post#58 » by Magic Is Magic » Mon Oct 26, 2020 3:30 am

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Magic Is Magic wrote:
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Great post, I like how he stops after Pippen and Grant because once you realise Cartwright and Paxson were the next 2 options you definitely don't want to bring that up. So many teams had better depth, if you look at just the finals opponents and ignore the depth of teams they had to pass in the East you realise the Bulls roster outside of those 3 was really just low level role players at best.

Comparing that to the Blazers just to use one example, the difference once you take out each teams top 3 players is so heavily favoured to pretty much every finals opponent


Toni Kukoc and Dennis Rodman and Ron Harper are "low level role players" now? Sounds like you need to turn in our Basketball Discussion card until further notice.


I think you should turn yours in, if you think they were on the roster the same time as Pippen and GRANT since that was the specific example given


Oh okay so now we're only talking about those three years. That's fine. I'm still asking a question that no one has answered. I'll give you your chance to respond.

My Claim: The Chicago Bulls had the best #2 and # 3 option in the NBA in the 90s

If you disagree,
My Question: Which team would MJ swap #2 and #3 options with? Which opponent's #2 and #3 would MJ give up Pippen and Grant for?
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Re: Michael Jordan's Three-Point Shot Selection 

Post#59 » by twyzted » Mon Oct 26, 2020 4:24 am

Magic Is Magic wrote:
FreeThrowLine wrote:
Magic Is Magic wrote:
Toni Kukoc and Dennis Rodman and Ron Harper are "low level role players" now? Sounds like you need to turn in our Basketball Discussion card until further notice.


I think you should turn yours in, if you think they were on the roster the same time as Pippen and GRANT since that was the specific example given


Oh okay so now we're only talking about those three years. That's fine. I'm still asking a question that no one has answered. I'll give you your chance to respond.

My Claim: The Chicago Bulls had the best #2 and # 3 option in the NBA in the 90s


91 lakers. Worthy&scott
91&93 jazz. Stockton&malone
91&92 warriors. Hardaway&Richmond
94 sonics.
94&95 magic.
96 sonics.




Magic Is Magic wrote:Oh, you're going that route? This should be easy then. Which 90s team had a better #2 and #3 option than MJ's Pippen and Grant? Let's hear it.


Well you did ask who had better #2&#3 then grant and pippen.
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Re: Michael Jordan's Three-Point Shot Selection 

Post#60 » by Magic Is Magic » Mon Oct 26, 2020 4:33 am

twyzted wrote:
Magic Is Magic wrote:
FreeThrowLine wrote:
I think you should turn yours in, if you think they were on the roster the same time as Pippen and GRANT since that was the specific example given


Oh okay so now we're only talking about those three years. That's fine. I'm still asking a question that no one has answered. I'll give you your chance to respond.

My Claim: The Chicago Bulls had the best #2 and # 3 option in the NBA in the 90s


91 lakers. Worthy&scott
91&93 jazz. Stockton&malone
91&92 warriors. Hardaway&Richmond
94 sonics.
94&95 magic.
96 sonics.




Magic Is Magic wrote:Oh, you're going that route? This should be easy then. Which 90s team had a better #2 and #3 option than MJ's Pippen and Grant? Let's hear it.


Well you did ask who had better #2&#3 then grant and pippen.


Worthy, Scott. No
Malone was the #1 option so that was a weird submission. What are you doing? lol I'm talking about #2 and #3 option (help).
Hardaway and Richmond maybe. So that's it. Good to know that maybe one team in the whole league didn't have more help. Of course when you factor in defense from Grant and Pippen it becomes a no brainer to keep them over Richmond and Hardaway.

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