OT: COVID-19 Ontario 2nd Wave Thread

[BigBoss23]

Stage 2 modified has been in effect for 3 weeks now. Why aren't the numbers going down in those areas? Must be all those anti-maskers being openly defiant since we can no longer point the finger at restaurants or gyms.

Best part is I'd wager anti-maskers aren't likely to be the people going to get tested either.

[Fairview4Life]

Stage 2 modified has been in effect for 3 weeks now. Why aren't the numbers going down in those areas? Must be all those anti-maskers being openly defiant since we can no longer point the finger at restaurants or gyms.

Best part is I'd wager anti-maskers aren't likely to be the people going to get tested either.

So the best part is they might be wandering around infecting more people? Fantastic.

[BigBoss23]

Stage 2 modified has been in effect for 3 weeks now. Why aren't the numbers going down in those areas? Must be all those anti-maskers being openly defiant since we can no longer point the finger at restaurants or gyms.

Best part is I'd wager anti-maskers aren't likely to be the people going to get tested either.

So the best part is they might be wandering around infecting more people? Fantastic.

Make sure you stay in your cave until they tell you its safe.

[Vaclac]

Stage 2 modified has been in effect for 3 weeks now. Why aren't the numbers going down in those areas? Must be all those anti-maskers being openly defiant since we can no longer point the finger at restaurants or gyms.

Best part is I'd wager anti-maskers aren't likely to be the people going to get tested either.

So the best part is they might be wandering around infecting more people? Fantastic.

I really don't think that was his point, but rather that the confirmed cases are more likely people who are following the rules, so clearly we can't just blame all or even most of the spread on people not following the rules. Its just not true, as some people seem to think, that if we just got rid of the antimask people, we could all go back to normal. People wearing masks more would slightly reduce spread, which is a good thing and for that reason I think people should indeed wear them, but of course they're not a panacea.

[Fairview4Life]

Best part is I'd wager anti-maskers aren't likely to be the people going to get tested either.

So the best part is they might be wandering around infecting more people? Fantastic.

Make sure you stay in your cave until they tell you its safe.

I live in Nova Scotia. I'm living fine, thanks.

[Local_NG_Idiot]

Best part is I'd wager anti-maskers aren't likely to be the people going to get tested either.

So the best part is they might be wandering around infecting more people? Fantastic.

Make sure you stay in your cave until they tell you its safe.

or you know, those who are refusing to go and get tested and refusing to follow the guidelines could stop being selfish pricks and think about more than themselves for once in their life.

[ItsDanger]

Best part is I'd wager anti-maskers aren't likely to be the people going to get tested either.

So the best part is they might be wandering around infecting more people? Fantastic.

I really don't think that was his point, but rather that the confirmed cases are more likely people who are following the rules, so clearly we can't just blame all or even most of the spread on people not following the rules. Its just not true, as some people seem to think, that if we just got rid of the antimask people, we could all go back to normal. People wearing masks more would slightly reduce spread, which is a good thing and for that reason I think people should indeed wear them, but of course they're not a panacea.

Gov't had a hypothesis and applied it. Now its time to review data. My argument has always been that the use of cloth/surgical masks is inadequate, N95 is required (although its not practical). Do the lower grade masks help? Yes. But not enough over millions of people. Has it worked elsewhere? Apparently, but perhaps there were key differences. We really don't have all the info. I would suggest early adoption and isolation are main factors.

[NBA Sheady]

We were never going to re-open until there was a vaccine. Too many irresponsible people in society.

This is no feasible. There will not be a working tried and tested vaccine until at least next summer.

Phase 3 testing is well underway for a lot of vaccines already. I wouldn't be shocked if the first ones are approved by the end of the year/early next year. Production will obviously take some time to ramp up after that, but a working vaccine isn't that far off.

A number of companies are already ramping up manufacturing. If the Phase 3 trials flop then they eat the costs. This is when you realize how absurdly profitable pharma is.

[NBA Sheady]

Best part is I'd wager anti-maskers aren't likely to be the people going to get tested either.

So the best part is they might be wandering around infecting more people? Fantastic.

Make sure you stay in your cave until they tell you its safe.

One can easily spot the double-digit IQ's in this thread.

[Basketball_Jones]

I agree, it needs to be like a stage 2.5 and not a full stage 3. Restaurants and gyms open, but very low capacity. Hell, I would even go as far as reservation only for most restaurants that aren’t in the fast food category. Let’s put some damn controls in place instead of the loose rules that hurt everyone as we saw

[Fairview4Life]

I agree, it needs to be like a stage 2.5 and not a full stage 3. Restaurants and gyms open, but very low capacity. Hell, I would even go as far as reservation only for most restaurants that aren’t in the fast food category. Let’s put some damn controls in place instead of the loose rules that hurt everyone as we saw

Restaurants can not survive on low capacity. Give them money to stay closed if you're going to close them.

[YelloC]

So the best part is they might be wandering around infecting more people? Fantastic.

Make sure you stay in your cave until they tell you its safe.

Onc can easily spot the double-digit IQ's in this thread.

Double-digit IQ’s?

[NBA Sheady]

Make sure you stay in your cave until they tell you its safe.

Onc can easily spot the double-digit IQ's in this thread.

Double-digit IQ’s?

Yes. As in sub 100. As in not very smart. As in actively contributing to the spread of this virus.

[ash_k]

during the summer we had all those Social movements, all those protests and the COVID Numbers were "fine"/better. then fall hits , 2nd wave hits. What happened there?!
Protesters seemed all to have Masks. Is that really all it was that prevented the 2nd wave to start in the summer instead?!

[Raps in 4]

during the summer we had all those Social movements, all those protests and the COVID Numbers were "fine"/better. then fall hits , 2nd wave hits. What happened there?!
Protesters seemed all to have Masks. Is that really all it was that prevented the 2nd wave to start in the summer instead?!

It's hard for a virus to spread outdoors with moving people, especially when it's hot.

I think the weather getting colder + people cramming bars/clubs/restaurants and schools re-opening all contributed to wave 2.

[ash_k]

during the summer we had all those Social movements, all those protests and the COVID Numbers were "fine"/better. then fall hits , 2nd wave hits. What happened there?!
Protesters seemed all to have Masks. Is that really all it was that prevented the 2nd wave to start in the summer instead?!

It's hard for a virus to spread outdoors with moving people, especially when it's hot.

I think the weather getting colder + people cramming bars/clubs/restaurants and schools re-opening all contributed to wave 2.

There are more people in bars in the summer though, no? same with restaurants ?. I get the Schools re-opening part.

[Vaclac]

during the summer we had all those Social movements, all those protests and the COVID Numbers were "fine"/better. then fall hits , 2nd wave hits. What happened there?!
Protesters seemed all to have Masks. Is that really all it was that prevented the 2nd wave to start in the summer instead?!

It's hard for a virus to spread outdoors with moving people, especially when it's hot.

I think the weather getting colder + people cramming bars/clubs/restaurants and schools re-opening all contributed to wave 2.

There are more people in bars in the summer though, no? same with restaurants ?. I get the Schools re-opening part.

I think it was already quite clear that outside was extremely low risk and so people chose to eat and drink outside in the summer when that was a reasonable option. Certainly thats what I did. Now I just don't go to restaurants or bars, but I can imagine people for whom that's a bigger part of their lifestyle preferring to do it outside if a reasonable option but moving inside rather than stopping to go altogether when the weather gets worse. I also think its private social gatherings, which similarly were easy to do outside before, but are now getting harder. There are some social people who would socialize outdoors to reduce risk when that was a reasonable option but are now moving inside rather than avoid socialization altogether.

[13th Man]

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[bballsparkin]

Onc can easily spot the double-digit IQ's in this thread.

Double-digit IQ’s?

Yes. As in sub 100. As in not very smart. As in actively contributing to the spread of this virus.

If 100 is average? What relegates someone to "not very smart". 99? 88? I noticed you called posters morons in a previous post. When does not very smart become morons? Sub 67? Should realgm be giving out IQ tests so that only posters who achieve triple-digit IQ tests be allowed to post in these kind of threads? Wouldn't relegating big discussions like this to only triple-digit IQ's leave us vulnerable to a higher tendency of neuroticism? I suspect it would. I'm way too lazy to look into it. But I suspect it will nonetheless.

I guess we'll never know though eh.

edited: for like, spelling

[YelloC]

Onc can easily spot the double-digit IQ's in this thread.

Double-digit IQ’s?

Yes. As in sub 100. As in not very smart. As in actively contributing to the spread of this virus.

I was thinking more single digit.