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Re: OT Bears 2019/20 season 

Post#1261 » by Chicago-Bull-E » Tue Oct 27, 2020 3:39 am

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Betta Bulleavit wrote:His problem is that he can’t seem to figure out when he needs to just push and when he needs to dance. There are times where he will drive it right into the teeth of the defense and get shut down at the LOS. It’s like he’s not even trying to make anyone miss. And then other times, dancing and juking when he’s got 3-4 yards up the gut if he just pushes. Either way, I’m ready to move on. I thought he could be good but am much less hopeful now.


He dances way too much, he doesn’t have the lateral quickness to and I’m not sure why he thinks he does. All of these little screen passes, he always gets dropped by the first tackler.

He’s just a bad football player. Has two games in 2 years over 100 yards. Awful yards per attempt, awful total yards on the season.

Yeah, I fully expect for Miller to be added this week. As of now, I feel better when Patterson is in the backfield and that’s bad because there should t be any distinction between the primary and the secondary.


And for anyone that says the line is solely to blame for Montgomery, watch him on all of these open field screens he catches. Is he ever making guys miss or making big plays? NEVER, and that obviously has nothin to do with the line.

Unfortunately that good running backs have been on the market and available and the Bears don’t seem interested.
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Re: OT Bears 2019/20 season 

Post#1262 » by IliketheBullsNBearstoo » Tue Oct 27, 2020 3:40 am

Betta Bulleavit wrote:
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Betta Bulleavit wrote:His problem is that he can’t seem to figure out when he needs to just push and when he needs to dance. There are times where he will drive it right into the teeth of the defense and get shut down at the LOS. It’s like he’s not even trying to make anyone miss. And then other times, dancing and juking when he’s got 3-4 yards up the gut if he just pushes. Either way, I’m ready to move on. I thought he could be good but am much less hopeful now.


He dances way too much, he doesn’t have the lateral quickness to and I’m not sure why he thinks he does. All of these little screen passes, he always gets dropped by the first tackler.

He’s just a bad football player. Has two games in 2 years over 100 yards. Awful yards per attempt, awful total yards on the season.

Yeah, I fully expect for Miller to be added this week. As of now, I feel better when Patterson is in the backfield and that’s bad because there should t be any distinction between the primary and the secondary.


Even Patterson has looks like garbage running into no holes. Losing Daniels hurt us. Our running game looked capable the first couple weeks didn't it or did I dream that?
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Re: OT Bears 2019/20 season 

Post#1263 » by IliketheBullsNBearstoo » Tue Oct 27, 2020 3:42 am

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He dances way too much, he doesn’t have the lateral quickness to and I’m not sure why he thinks he does. All of these little screen passes, he always gets dropped by the first tackler.

He’s just a bad football player. Has two games in 2 years over 100 yards. Awful yards per attempt, awful total yards on the season.

Yeah, I fully expect for Miller to be added this week. As of now, I feel better when Patterson is in the backfield and that’s bad because there should t be any distinction between the primary and the secondary.


And for anyone that says the line is solely to blame for Montgomery, watch him on all of these open field screens he catches. Is he ever making guys miss or making big plays? NEVER, and that obviously has nothin to do with the line.

Unfortunately that good running backs have been on the market and available and the Bears don’t seem interested.


Hold on now. Lets not say never. He has had a few successful ones this season.
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Re: OT Bears 2019/20 season 

Post#1264 » by Chicago-Bull-E » Tue Oct 27, 2020 3:43 am

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He dances way too much, he doesn’t have the lateral quickness to and I’m not sure why he thinks he does. All of these little screen passes, he always gets dropped by the first tackler.

He’s just a bad football player. Has two games in 2 years over 100 yards. Awful yards per attempt, awful total yards on the season.

Yeah, I fully expect for Miller to be added this week. As of now, I feel better when Patterson is in the backfield and that’s bad because there should t be any distinction between the primary and the secondary.


Even Patterson has looks like garbage running into no holes. Losing Daniels hurt us. Our running game looked capable the first couple weeks didn't it or did I dream that?


Patterson has never been a good running back. His career high in rushing yards is 220 yards IN A SEASON.

He’s a good athlete with very good straight line speed, but far from a good running back.
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Re: OT Bears 2019/20 season 

Post#1265 » by IliketheBullsNBearstoo » Tue Oct 27, 2020 3:47 am

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Betta Bulleavit wrote:Yeah, I fully expect for Miller to be added this week. As of now, I feel better when Patterson is in the backfield and that’s bad because there should t be any distinction between the primary and the secondary.


Even Patterson has looks like garbage running into no holes. Losing Daniels hurt us. Our running game looked capable the first couple weeks didn't it or did I dream that?


Patterson has never been a good running back. His career high in rushing yards is 220 yards IN A SEASON.

He’s a good athlete with very good straight line speed, but far from a good running back.


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Re: OT Bears 2019/20 season 

Post#1266 » by Chi town » Tue Oct 27, 2020 4:00 am

Foles has thrown Trubisky like interceptions in back to back weeks.

Griese said that Foles is getting plays from Nagy that he knows he doesn’t have the time to execute.

Mitch would have been the better QB in this game due to his feet and ability to create.

Without an O Line and bad play calls Foles doesn’t stand a chance.
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Re: OT Bears 2019/20 season 

Post#1267 » by fleet » Tue Oct 27, 2020 4:04 am

Apparently during the game Griese said Foles told him Nagy doesn’t understand he has no time to run Nagy’s plays
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Re: OT Bears 2019/20 season 

Post#1268 » by Chi town » Tue Oct 27, 2020 4:04 am

Nagy’s tenure will be defined by whether or not he steps down an playcaller and let’s Lazor call the plays.

If he doesn’t he may not make it.
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Re: OT Bears 2019/20 season 

Post#1269 » by nomorezorro » Tue Oct 27, 2020 4:05 am

i feel like part of why i'm a nagy apologist is that his bad tendencies are all understandable but he really needs to get some **** sorted

we run out of jumbo personnel because our o-line is awful, but that makes the run game predictable, and throwing tight ends into the mix isn't enough to make the line + montgomery good enough to overcome a defense keyed in on the run. i've seen a couple of different people mention that our run numbers in 11 are way better than they are in 13

then when the jumbo sets don't work, he correctly identifies that montgomery is kind of lousy and turns to patterson, but patterson isn't any good as a rb either. then he starts to try to resort to gimmick plays in key short yardage situations just praying that something will work.

i would love to see more running out of 3wr sets + a few edge rushes/jet sweeps thrown into that mix to avoid just plunging montgomery into the middle every time. giving another RB a look couldn't hurt either. i would also say more playaction would help, but sadly that might be asking too much given our offensive line and foles's immobility
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Re: OT Bears 2019/20 season 

Post#1270 » by fleet » Tue Oct 27, 2020 4:06 am

I still don’t get why they can’t get the ball to #11. You can tell he is dynamite with the ball. But every throw to him is overthrown under thrown or he is double covered or something. He needs more first option throws too.
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Re: OT Bears 2019/20 season 

Post#1271 » by Chicago-Bull-E » Tue Oct 27, 2020 4:20 am

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Not a good look for the team, QB throwing either the head coach or the offensive line under the bus, or both.
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Re: OT Bears 2019/20 season 

Post#1272 » by Susan » Tue Oct 27, 2020 4:22 am

They gotta get Harris off of the field and let Kmet do his thing.

Nagy needs to get out of his own way and let another person call the plays.

This team has potential on offense but is playing so rigid, let Kmet and Mooney do their thing and let Nagy just be the HC. He wasn't brilliant at KC as a playcaller and wasn't experienced at it in KC either. Lazer should get a chance to scheme things up.
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Re: OT Bears 2019/20 season 

Post#1273 » by IliketheBullsNBearstoo » Tue Oct 27, 2020 4:25 am

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Not a good look for the team, QB throwing either the head coach or the offensive line under the bus, or both.


Its both but mostly the coach.
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Re: OT Bears 2019/20 season 

Post#1274 » by nomorezorro » Tue Oct 27, 2020 4:38 am

i also don't think a really bad qb should be saying "yeah my dumbass coach doesn't realize the line sucks" to the media
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Re: OT Bears 2019/20 season 

Post#1275 » by fleet » Tue Oct 27, 2020 5:13 am

nomorezorro wrote:i also don't think a really bad qb should be saying "yeah my dumbass coach doesn't realize the line sucks" to the media

Prob not. But I gotta truly believe the line is the thing making him look as bad as he does look. Anyway, From the day Nagy and Foles had that heated discussion on the sidelines it was a question in my mind that they don’t communicate optimally. Which this situation brings up again
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Re: OT Bears 2019/20 season 

Post#1276 » by Dresden » Tue Oct 27, 2020 5:27 am

This is Nagy's 3rd year, and the offense has looked worse each season. that should tell you something.
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Re: OT Bears 2019/20 season 

Post#1277 » by fleet » Tue Oct 27, 2020 7:33 am

Dresden wrote:This is Nagy's 3rd year, and the offense has looked worse each season. that should tell you something.


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Re: OT Bears 2019/20 season 

Post#1278 » by fleet » Tue Oct 27, 2020 8:18 am

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It seems crazy that the team had made no effort to get an actually good running back. So many options were on the market. 41st in the league in yards per run.

After they traded up for Montgomery you mean. Yeah. We weren’t in the market for Bell either. Not saying he’s all that. Just......gaaaaaaa!


Bell didn't do anything behind a bad offensive line on the Jets. Why would that be different here?

Is it that the good offenses are only able to use good players, or is it that good offensive players make good offenses? More pointed to your question, do the Chiefs know talent, and know how to use talent better or worse than the Bears? You'll say they know better, but he Bears line ought to be able to run block a little, at least, adequately. Bell's not Montgomery, I do know that much. Montgomery can't hit a hole like this.

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Re: OT Bears 2019/20 season 

Post#1279 » by the ultimates » Tue Oct 27, 2020 9:00 am

fleet wrote:
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fleet wrote:After they traded up for Montgomery you mean. Yeah. We weren’t in the market for Bell either. Not saying he’s all that. Just......gaaaaaaa!


Bell didn't do anything behind a bad offensive line on the Jets. Why would that be different here?

Is it that the good offenses are only able to use good players, or is it that good offensive players make good offenses? More pointed to your question, do the Chiefs know talent, and know how to use talent better or worse than the Bears? You'll say they know better, but he Bears line ought to be able to run block a little, at least, adequately. Bell's not Montgomery, I do know that much. Montgomery can't hit a hole like this.





Looks like he ran hard and made holes and hit them hard from this video. You telling me Bell is going to do better than Montgomery in these clips with this run blocking. Why don't you look up those Jets highlights from Bell they look pretty similar to what Montgomery is doing now. I give you another one. Ezekiel Elliot is pretty good back right? How does he look in Dallas right now playing behind a line with a bunch of backups?
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Re: OT Bears 2019/20 season 

Post#1280 » by dougthonus » Tue Oct 27, 2020 1:14 pm

Susan wrote:They gotta get Harris off of the field and let Kmet do his thing.

Nagy needs to get out of his own way and let another person call the plays.

This team has potential on offense but is playing so rigid, let Kmet and Mooney do their thing and let Nagy just be the HC. He wasn't brilliant at KC as a playcaller and wasn't experienced at it in KC either. Lazer should get a chance to scheme things up.


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Foles had two throws for wide open receivers that were behind the defense and missed them both, one of them was a sure touch down, the other was possibly a touch down (maybe tackled right on the catch, but 50 yard gain). Had another play on 3rd down that he threw a completion to the line of scrimmage (5 yards short) and had two guys wide open down field. Probably more plays like that on the table, but you can't always see them on TV.

Not sure what play calling people think will work with this team.

The QB isn't good, the RB isn't good. The line isn't good. As I said before the season, they have among the worst skill position players in the league. Maybe Foles would be okay with a great line, but he can't play behind this one.

Their defense looks solid, and they can sometimes put together drives in spurts or score on short fields, but I doubt swapping Nagy out for whomever you think the GOAT play caller is in the world is going to solve the problem of fundamentally a lack of talent on offense. It just screams about people complaining about rotations in basketball, because what you just saw didn't work, so you have to do something else.

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