NBA Trade Thread #2

[Tetlak]

The Utah Jazz are in a similar position that the Bulls were in with Jimmy Butler. Rudy Gobert is set to earn the 'Super Max' which makes it extremelly difficult for a team to afford a "third star" with the cap restraints that come with it. The stage has already been set for the front office to 'save face' too, because of the COVID 'beef' with their young star (Donovan Mitchell).

Incoming Chicago:
Rudy Gobert
Aleksej Pokusevski (#23)
TPE

Incoming Utah:
Lauri Markkanen
Wendell Carter Jr.
Otto Porter Jr.
2022 1st (conditional - This pick turns into a 2nd Round Pick if Rudy Gobert is not resigned by Chicago)

This would be an extremely risky move because Gobert could walk after the end of the season, however, it could be the perfect oppurtunity to find a star player to pair with LaVine. The Bulls would have enough cap space to re-sign Rudy Gobert AND another top free agent.

Coby White / Tomas Satoransky
Zach LaVine / Denzel Valentine / #44
Deni Avdija (#4) / Chandler Hutchison
Thaddeus Young / Aleksej Pokuveski (#23)
Rudy Gobert / Daniel Gafford

For a guy like Gobert, Carter is well worth sacrificing although Lauri hurts but that is Gobert's value even if 1yr left.
And grabing Poku is very good who has top 3 potential that low your getting fair value for Carter I would prefer Poku.
Just no picks involved. If AK grabs one of Ball/Deni and Poku, that would be a homerun draft with twin tower.
If Lavine cannot perform at 30ppg level, he should leave bc every resource is invested to him. This is his final chance with 3 plus defenders and a dpoy rim protector hiding his D.

Only 64 players in NBA history have put up a 30 ppg season. This is an absurd qualification to keep him on the team.

[gobullschi]

The Utah Jazz are in a similar position that the Bulls were in with Jimmy Butler. Rudy Gobert is set to earn the 'Super Max' which makes it extremelly difficult for a team to afford a "third star" with the cap restraints that come with it. The stage has already been set for the front office to 'save face' too, because of the COVID 'beef' with their young star (Donovan Mitchell).

Incoming Chicago:
Rudy Gobert
Aleksej Pokusevski (#23)
TPE

Incoming Utah:
Lauri Markkanen
Wendell Carter Jr.
Otto Porter Jr.
2022 1st (conditional - This pick turns into a 2nd Round Pick if Rudy Gobert is not resigned by Chicago)

This would be an extremely risky move because Gobert could walk after the end of the season, however, it could be the perfect oppurtunity to find a star player to pair with LaVine. The Bulls would have enough cap space to re-sign Rudy Gobert AND another top free agent.

Coby White / Tomas Satoransky
Zach LaVine / Denzel Valentine / #44
Deni Avdija (#4) / Chandler Hutchison
Thaddeus Young / Aleksej Pokuveski (#23)
Rudy Gobert / Daniel Gafford

For a guy like Gobert, Carter is well worth sacrificing although Lauri hurts but that is Gobert's value even if 1yr left.
And grabing Poku is very good who has top 3 potential that low your getting fair value for Carter I would prefer Poku.
Just no picks involved. If AK grabs one of Ball/Deni and Poku, that would be a homerun draft with twin tower.
If Lavine cannot perform at 30ppg level, he should leave bc every resource is invested to him. This is his final chance.

If the logic to do the trade is to get Lauri and Otto out of the way so Zach is more of a #1 option, it doesn't make sense. I think, as constructed the team would be an ideal fit for a #1 option to come in and contend.

I’ve always viewed the construction of a championship level team by the ‘three star rule’. This trade is constructed with the hope that the Bulls become a playoff team and an intriguing enough location for an all star to want to sign WITH LaVine and Gobert - giving Chicago 3 all-stars.

To add to the appeal, the Bulls would still have some young guys with potential on cheap rookie deals (Coby White, Deni Avdija, Daniel Gafford, Poku, Hutchison, ‘21 first) to round the roster. If one of those young guys develop, the Bulls would be stacked.

[sco]

What about:

Lauri/Thad to ORL for Aaron Gordon and #15? I'm just exploring ways to nab Poku. Gordon's deal has one more year after next season at $16M.

[gobullschi]

What about:

Lauri/Thad to ORL for Aaron Gordon and #15? I'm just exploring ways to nab Poku. Gordon's deal has one more year after next season at $16M.

Aaron Gordon strikes me as a player that will leave Orlando the minute he becomes a free agent. He signed a descending contract to help the Magic be able to sign someone and they did nothing with it.
I would love to see Gordon and LaVine together, but I think he can be had if the Bulls stay patient and have some cap space available.

[Tetlak]

Aaron Gordon is not a good player. He's been in the league for 6 seasons. He's a known quantity at this point. We should not want him under any circumstances. There's also no way the Magic pair a draft pick with him to acquire an equally bad player in Lauri.

[sco]

What about:

Lauri/Thad to ORL for Aaron Gordon and #15? I'm just exploring ways to nab Poku. Gordon's deal has one more year after next season at $16M.

They must troll our site - came out after my post.
https://pippenainteasy.com/2020/10/26/chicago-bulls-3-trades-to-get-aaron-gordon-from-magic/

[MGB8]

Would anyone trade the #4 to Minny for Culver? He was #5 in last year's better draft. But he had an amazingly rough rookie year, with the biggest red flag being a 46% FT rate; while his FT rate in college was better than that (65% and 70%, they weren't good, and his 3 pt shooting dropped to 30% from 38% between freshman and sophomore years - though that was when he was tasked with doing a ton and put up 18.5 point, 6.4 rebounds and 3.7 assists per game as the best player on the 2nd best team in the NCAAs).

I don't know what the issue with Culver's shot is. His form looked good enough in college when he got his feet set. I don't know what happened in the pros. But I do believe in the rest of his game. If Bulls coaches believed that his shooting was pretty fixable, I'd make the move in a second --- from all reports, Culver is a good kid with a strong work ethic. I'm just not sure that the shooting issues are all that easy to fix.

[sco]

Would anyone trade the #4 to Minny for Culver? He was #5 in last year's better draft. But he had an amazingly rough rookie year, with the biggest red flag being a 46% FT rate; while his FT rate in college was better than that (65% and 70%, they weren't good, and his 3 pt shooting dropped to 30% from 38% between freshman and sophomore years - though that was when he was tasked with doing a ton and put up 18.5 point, 6.4 rebounds and 3.7 assists per game as the best player on the 2nd best team in the NCAAs).

I don't know what the issue with Culver's shot is. His form looked good enough in college when he got his feet set. I don't know what happened in the pros. But I do believe in the rest of his game. If Bulls coaches believed that his shooting was pretty fixable, I'd make the move in a second --- from all reports, Culver is a good kid with a strong work ethic. I'm just not sure that the shooting issues are all that easy to fix.

If Minny is willing to give up on him after seeing for a year, even for #4, it suggests to me that they don't see him as likely achieving on his previously thought high potential. I'd take him, but not for #4 pick, maybe as part of a package for non-core guys like Otto or Lauri (or WCJ if we are going after Wiseman).

[MGB8]

Would anyone trade the #4 to Minny for Culver? He was #5 in last year's better draft. But he had an amazingly rough rookie year, with the biggest red flag being a 46% FT rate; while his FT rate in college was better than that (65% and 70%, they weren't good, and his 3 pt shooting dropped to 30% from 38% between freshman and sophomore years - though that was when he was tasked with doing a ton and put up 18.5 point, 6.4 rebounds and 3.7 assists per game as the best player on the 2nd best team in the NCAAs).

I don't know what the issue with Culver's shot is. His form looked good enough in college when he got his feet set. I don't know what happened in the pros. But I do believe in the rest of his game. If Bulls coaches believed that his shooting was pretty fixable, I'd make the move in a second --- from all reports, Culver is a good kid with a strong work ethic. I'm just not sure that the shooting issues are all that easy to fix.

If Minny is willing to give up on him after seeing for a year, even for #4, it suggests to me that they don't see him as likely achieving on his previously thought high potential. I'd take him, but not for #4 pick, maybe as part of a package for non-core guys like Otto or Lauri (or WCJ if we are going after Wiseman).

Yeah, there's that. But I could also see Minny drafting Edwards and thinking - you know what would be better for the team going forward than Culver? A 4 like Deni or Toppin or Okungwu... Or say they trade the #1 for a player but also think that another big, or a Hayes or Halli to have as a reserve PG and also play two PG lineups might be better....

[ZOMG]

Would anyone trade the #4 to Minny for Culver? He was #5 in last year's better draft. But he had an amazingly rough rookie year, with the biggest red flag being a 46% FT rate; while his FT rate in college was better than that (65% and 70%, they weren't good, and his 3 pt shooting dropped to 30% from 38% between freshman and sophomore years - though that was when he was tasked with doing a ton and put up 18.5 point, 6.4 rebounds and 3.7 assists per game as the best player on the 2nd best team in the NCAAs).

I don't know what the issue with Culver's shot is. His form looked good enough in college when he got his feet set. I don't know what happened in the pros. But I do believe in the rest of his game. If Bulls coaches believed that his shooting was pretty fixable, I'd make the move in a second --- from all reports, Culver is a good kid with a strong work ethic. I'm just not sure that the shooting issues are all that easy to fix.

If Minny is willing to give up on him after seeing for a year, even for #4, it suggests to me that they don't see him as likely achieving on his previously thought high potential. I'd take him, but not for #4 pick, maybe as part of a package for non-core guys like Otto or Lauri (or WCJ if we are going after Wiseman).

I see what you did there.

[cjbulls]

What about:

Lauri/Thad to ORL for Aaron Gordon and #15? I'm just exploring ways to nab Poku. Gordon's deal has one more year after next season at $16M.

I think it’s a good move for both teams if you’re ready to say Lauri does not have a high ceiling (ironically, I’d say he has roughly the same ceiling as Gordon at this point). I am ready to say that, but I’m not sure the Bulls are.

[Michael Jackson]

What about:

Lauri/Thad to ORL for Aaron Gordon and #15? I'm just exploring ways to nab Poku. Gordon's deal has one more year after next season at $16M.

With Gordon and LaVine you could pretty much lock up a championship, in the slam dunk contest.

[sco]

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/report-dallas-willing-trade-anyone-011320352.html

Trying to think of ways to use this.

While certainly not a "star", maybe they'd do a deal for Otto, who'd be a great fit.

Say: Otto/Kornet for Hardaway, Brunson, Curry, #18 (Poku)

[StunnerKO]

[sco]

I'm not advocating trading Lavine, but I might think about it for Herro and Duncan.

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/report-miami-heat-tyler-herro-214502551.html

[nomorezorro]

morey to phildelphia...shifting from "fantasizing about trading for ben simmons" to "fantasizing about trading for joel embiid

lavine and porter for embiid and horford's contract, who says no

[sco]

morey to phildelphia...shifting from "fantasizing about trading for ben simmons" to "fantasizing about trading for joel embiid

lavine and porter for embiid and horford's contract, who says no

I'm ok, but what's the follow-on trade to move WCJ and/or Lauri?

[sco]

Josh Richardson and Al Horford will be traded this offseason, The Athletic duo of Rich Hofmann and Derek Bodner project in an examination of the Sixers‘ roster. In other predictions, they believe young defensive stalwart Matisse Thybulle could be added a trade sweetener in a deal involving Richardson or Horford, while Alec Burks will leave in free agency.

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2020/10/atlantic-notes-bullock-harris-richardson-horford-flynn-dotson.html

[MrSparkle]

morey to phildelphia...shifting from "fantasizing about trading for ben simmons" to "fantasizing about trading for joel embiid

lavine and porter for embiid and horford's contract, who says no

Draft Wiseman and we've got ourselves a big man doozy.

[sco]

Josh Richardson and Al Horford will be traded this offseason, The Athletic duo of Rich Hofmann and Derek Bodner project in an examination of the Sixers‘ roster. In other predictions, they believe young defensive stalwart Matisse Thybulle could be added a trade sweetener in a deal involving Richardson or Horford, while Alec Burks will leave in free agency.

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2020/10/atlantic-notes-bullock-harris-richardson-horford-flynn-dotson.html

I'd do a deal for Richardson if it brought back Thybulle too. What about:

Richardson, Thybulle, Korkmaz for Lauri/Sato?