2020 NBA Draft Thread, Part 2 -- (8PM, Wed, Nov. 18, ESPN)

[AgentGreen]

Love this mock draft by James Ham

#14 - Tyrese Maxey

#26 - Poku

#30 - Reggie Perry

Link:https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/warriors/2020-nba-mock-draft-190-first-round-pick-projections-after-finals

[snowman]

I agree!

I disagree, we are paying luxary tax next season and don't have enough roster spots Hayward is opting in and this team could use antother vet or 2. So with whoever we are getting for the taxpayer midlevel plus 4 picks is too many. We should consolidate some. Maybe adding 47 to 26 or 30 to move up a spot or two or combing all 3 into 1 pick. It makes little sense to draft 4 players unless Ainge thinks that in a draft and stash he can get a better value. Most of the time our draft and stash;s have not worked out. If ALEKSEJ POKUSEVSKI (copy pasted sorry about the caps) falls to 26, ok draft him there and stash him for 3 years and maybe he turns into a lottery player. However I would much rather walk away with 1 player who is a differnce maker if we can trade up then 4 players, 3 of whom probably won't see the floor. I am ok with 1, 2 or 3 but 4 makes little sense.

we don't have to keep every player drafted in 2019.. If Boston drafted a good 4 players this year, let them battle it out with 2019.. No one really impressed me and NOT drafting a talent that I believe is available all over this draft because we have limited spots is WRONG IMO.

Now if Ainge happens to consolidate picks or trade for a veteran, then fine. But I am so against stashing.. we are so damn close.. I don't want to be very good for the next 5 years with no title. I want a title.. get the best damn players PERIOD. and worry about how to fit the roster afterwards.

Couldn't agree more. There is no roster crunch. Danny said changes were coming, but did you really expect him to come out and say, "Well, we got these 3 guys were going to kick to the curb as soon as we can". I also agree draft and stash is a stupid idea. I mean it worked out so well for us last time. We are STILL paying for that great idea to the tune of a little over a million dollars a year for the next 2 years for the stretch of Yabu. Come to think about it, when was the last time it worked for ANY team ?
We should have 3-5 open roster spots available for 2-3 draft picks and 1-2 FA's. Kemba, Brown, Tatum, Smart, G. Will, Langford and Timelord are for sure. Hayward will pick up his option, Theis will picked up. That's the only 9 guaranteed spots. If Kanter opts in, he will probably be traded. Edwards, Waters and Poirier will probably be given until training camp to win a spot against the draft picks, but are no way guaranteed a spot this year. I expect 2 of Kanter, Poirier and Edwards will be gone and replaced with a veteran pg and a big. Waters may be squeezed in the roster if he can beat out the draft pick that I expect us to make. Fall and the 47th pick will probably be the (2) 2-ways.

Green will probably be released and replaced by pick 14 (my hope Saddiq Bey)
Semi's option probably will not be picked up and be replace by pick 26 (my hope Daniel Oturu)
Wannamaker probably will not be offered another contract and replaced by pick 30 (my hope Tre Jones)
Huge upgrade in talent alone right there.

I don't expect many minutes from any draft pick, regardless where picked at, and quite frankly, not many minutes for any FA to be signed. Our top 9 players are getting the majority of minutes available and the other 6 players are garbage time minutes and time used to bring the next group of rookies along.

[Spin Move]

I disagree, we are paying luxary tax next season and don't have enough roster spots Hayward is opting in and this team could use antother vet or 2. So with whoever we are getting for the taxpayer midlevel plus 4 picks is too many. We should consolidate some. Maybe adding 47 to 26 or 30 to move up a spot or two or combing all 3 into 1 pick. It makes little sense to draft 4 players unless Ainge thinks that in a draft and stash he can get a better value. Most of the time our draft and stash;s have not worked out. If ALEKSEJ POKUSEVSKI (copy pasted sorry about the caps) falls to 26, ok draft him there and stash him for 3 years and maybe he turns into a lottery player. However I would much rather walk away with 1 player who is a differnce maker if we can trade up then 4 players, 3 of whom probably won't see the floor. I am ok with 1, 2 or 3 but 4 makes little sense.

we don't have to keep every player drafted in 2019.. If Boston drafted a good 4 players this year, let them battle it out with 2019.. No one really impressed me and NOT drafting a talent that I believe is available all over this draft because we have limited spots is WRONG IMO.

Now if Ainge happens to consolidate picks or trade for a veteran, then fine. But I am so against stashing.. we are so damn close.. I don't want to be very good for the next 5 years with no title. I want a title.. get the best damn players PERIOD. and worry about how to fit the roster afterwards.

Couldn't agree more. There is no roster crunch. Danny said changes were coming, but did you really expect him to come out and say, "Well, we got these 3 guys were going to kick to the curb as soon as we can". I also agree draft and stash is a stupid idea. I mean it worked out so well for us last time. We are STILL paying for that great idea to the tune of a little over a million dollars a year for the next 2 years for the stretch of Yabu. Come to think about it, when was the last time it worked for ANY team ?
We should have 3-5 open roster spots available for 2-3 draft picks and 1-2 FA's. Kemba, Brown, Tatum, Smart, G. Will, Langford and Timelord are for sure. Hayward will pick up his option, Theis will picked up. That's the only 9 guaranteed spots. If Kanter opts in, he will probably be traded. Edwards, Waters and Poirier will probably be given until training camp to win a spot against the draft picks, but are no way guaranteed a spot this year. I expect 2 of Kanter, Poirier and Edwards will be gone and replaced with a veteran pg and a big. Waters may be squeezed in the roster if he can beat out the draft pick that I expect us to make. Fall and the 47th pick will probably be the (2) 2-ways.

Green will probably be released and replaced by pick 14 (my hope Saddiq Bey)
Semi's option probably will not be picked up and be replace by pick 26 (my hope Daniel Oturu)
Wannamaker probably will not be offered another contract and replaced by pick 30 (my hope Tre Jones)
Huge upgrade in talent alone right there.

I don't expect many minutes from any draft pick, regardless where picked at, and quite frankly, not many minutes for any FA to be signed. Our top 9 players are getting the majority of minutes available and the other 6 players are garbage time minutes and time used to bring the next group of rookies along.

Edwards and Porier have guaranteed contracts and we are in the luxary tax, it is easy to say, oh we will just cut them but doing so, paying tax on it and then paying tax on their replacements is alot of money and likely won't happen. So that makes 11 guaranteed contracts, not counting Waters (who might turn into a decent backup) Semi, Wannamaker, Fall, or any free agents (say 2), Fall and Waters or the 2nd rounder can be on 2 ways but you can't put 1st round picks on 2 way contracts.

[Gomes3PC]

Love this mock draft by James Ham

#14 - Tyrese Maxey

#26 - Poku

#30 - Reggie Perry

Link:https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/warriors/2020-nba-mock-draft-190-first-round-pick-projections-after-finals

Not sure how Poku falls that far but sure that looks great.

Maxey to me is great value, especially if no clear-cut top 10 guy slips. I know he's not as explosive as you want some PGs these days but the history of Kentucky guards way outplaying their college #s leaves me optimistic. His FT% is excellent, he drew a ton of fouls (34% FTr), and he is by all accounts smart as hell. Not saying he is the next Shai or Fox but I think he could be an excellent backup PG for us and groomed over time to replace Kemba.

Only guy in that mock at 14 I'd consider over him is Hampton, as he has the size advantage and I do think some of his shooting mechanic changes could really be a game-changer for him. If he's a good C&S shooter the idea of down the road playing a perimeter of him, Smart, Brown and Tatum on the perimeter is scary.

[BostonCouchGM]

we don't have to keep every player drafted in 2019.. If Boston drafted a good 4 players this year, let them battle it out with 2019.. No one really impressed me and NOT drafting a talent that I believe is available all over this draft because we have limited spots is WRONG IMO.

Now if Ainge happens to consolidate picks or trade for a veteran, then fine. But I am so against stashing.. we are so damn close.. I don't want to be very good for the next 5 years with no title. I want a title.. get the best damn players PERIOD. and worry about how to fit the roster afterwards.

Couldn't agree more. There is no roster crunch. Danny said changes were coming, but did you really expect him to come out and say, "Well, we got these 3 guys were going to kick to the curb as soon as we can". I also agree draft and stash is a stupid idea. I mean it worked out so well for us last time. We are STILL paying for that great idea to the tune of a little over a million dollars a year for the next 2 years for the stretch of Yabu. Come to think about it, when was the last time it worked for ANY team ?
We should have 3-5 open roster spots available for 2-3 draft picks and 1-2 FA's. Kemba, Brown, Tatum, Smart, G. Will, Langford and Timelord are for sure. Hayward will pick up his option, Theis will picked up. That's the only 9 guaranteed spots. If Kanter opts in, he will probably be traded. Edwards, Waters and Poirier will probably be given until training camp to win a spot against the draft picks, but are no way guaranteed a spot this year. I expect 2 of Kanter, Poirier and Edwards will be gone and replaced with a veteran pg and a big. Waters may be squeezed in the roster if he can beat out the draft pick that I expect us to make. Fall and the 47th pick will probably be the (2) 2-ways.

Green will probably be released and replaced by pick 14 (my hope Saddiq Bey)
Semi's option probably will not be picked up and be replace by pick 26 (my hope Daniel Oturu)
Wannamaker probably will not be offered another contract and replaced by pick 30 (my hope Tre Jones)
Huge upgrade in talent alone right there.

I don't expect many minutes from any draft pick, regardless where picked at, and quite frankly, not many minutes for any FA to be signed. Our top 9 players are getting the majority of minutes available and the other 6 players are garbage time minutes and time used to bring the next group of rookies along.

Edwards and Porier have guaranteed contracts and we are in the luxary tax, it is easy to say, oh we will just cut them but doing so, paying tax on it and then paying tax on their replacements is alot of money and likely won't happen. So that makes 11 guaranteed contracts, not counting Waters (who might turn into a decent backup) Semi, Wannamaker, Fall, or any free agents (say 2), Fall and Waters or the 2nd rounder can be on 2 ways but you can't put 1st round picks on 2 way contracts.

those can be easily traded. Teams unload tiny contracts all the time. It's so easy it's not even worth worrying about.

[threrf23]

Trivia Question:

Name forwards who averaged at least 10 rebounds, 1 steal, and 1 block per game as a freshman playing for a major conference school (since '92).

Spoiler:

Kevin Durant, Mike Beasley, Anthony Davis, Precious Achiuwa

(Joe Smith too if you count him as a forward)

[playa-hater]

Trivia Question:

Name forwards who averaged at least 10 rebounds, 1 steal, and 1 block per game as a freshman playing for a major conference school (since '92).

Spoiler:

Kevin Durant, Mike Beasley, Anthony Davis, Precious Achiuwa

well I already made a claim that he is my TOP pick at 14... this only helps the cause!!

[threrf23]

Trivia Question:

Name forwards who averaged at least 10 rebounds, 1 steal, and 1 block per game as a freshman playing for a major conference school (since '92).

Spoiler:

Kevin Durant, Mike Beasley, Anthony Davis, Precious Achiuwa

well I already made a claim that he is my TOP pick at 14... this only helps the cause!!

He's an older freshman, and when I read about him and stuff, I thought he sounded/seemed kinda like Montrezl Harrell, or maybe a rich man's Cheick Diallo.

But lately I've found myself drawing comparisons between this year's draft and the 2013 draft, and I found myself trying to figure out who this year's Giannis could be. I think I've settled on Achiuwa as a guess. And I mean worst case, Montrezl Harrell is probably his approximate floor.

Poku would be the lazy pick, but I don't see it. I feel like there were probably some very good reasons to draft Giannis, but teams were scared off by uncertainty in a climate where they were wary of drafting the next big foreign bust. Whereas, I feel like Poku doesn't show a lot of promise as a prospect, but is being promoted a la Bruno Caboclo in a climate where everyone wants to find the next Giannis.

[playa-hater]

Meanwhile there are some Gems that can be had in RD2 of every draft.

There are 5 players I am having a hard time choosing between in RD 2.. so please help.

All I have are videos and reports to go by. All look promising. I think I know who I want as top choice, but so damn close.

I would love Boston to go after a potentially solid role playing guard/wing that seems may available at 30 -47th pick..

Of course there are other positions/players in RD 2 as well. But between these 5, who is your top choice?

Elijah Hughes 6'6 SG. Good shooting overall, with some decent creativity.

Watch on YouTube

Isaiah Joe - 6'5 SG - is he a prolific shooter or a high volume shooter?? plays decent defense as well.

Watch on YouTube

Immanuel Quickley - 6'3 Combo Guard. defends very well and has a solid knock down jumper. Long arms.. can play 2 positions

Watch on YouTube

;t=443s

Nate Hinton 6'5 SG possible the toughest Offense/defense/rebounding combination of the group.

Watch on YouTube

;t=3s

Cassius Stanley 6'6 SG - maybe the best finisher and up and down player. Was he held back a bit at Duke (like Tatum) good shooter and defender as well.

Watch on YouTube

[playa-hater]

Trivia Question:

Name forwards who averaged at least 10 rebounds, 1 steal, and 1 block per game as a freshman playing for a major conference school (since '92).

Spoiler:

Kevin Durant, Mike Beasley, Anthony Davis, Precious Achiuwa

well I already made a claim that he is my TOP pick at 14... this only helps the cause!!

He's an older freshman, and when I read about him and stuff, I thought he sounded/seemed kinda like Montrezl Harrell, or maybe a rich man's Cheick Diallo.

But lately I've found myself drawing comparisons between this year's draft and the 2013 draft, and I found myself trying to figure out who this year's Giannis could be. I think I've settled on Achiuwa as a guess. And I mean worst case, Montrezl Harrell is probably his approximate floor.

Poku would be the lazy pick, but I don't see it. I feel like there were probably some very good reasons to draft Giannis, but teams were scared off by uncertainty in a climate where they were wary of drafting the next big foreign bust. Whereas, I feel like Poku doesn't show a lot of promise as a prospect, but is being promoted a la Bruno Caboclo in a climate where everyone wants to find the next Giannis.

I want no part of Poku at 14... 2-4 years away from being a solid contributor makes sense for a rebuilding team. But we are too f=damn close. we need an instant contributor with a good ceiling. Poku is not that.

[playa-hater]

***Boston up next in Mock draft at RealGM draft spot. make your pick count!!

[playa-hater]

Not going to link videos, as of now everyone should have an Idea. But if picking between Paul Reed and Daniel Oturo, 2 possible up and coming Bigs. who would you take??

[Shak_Celts]

Meanwhile there are some Gems that can be had in RD2 of every draft.

There are 5 players I am having a hard time choosing between in RD 2.. so please help.

All I have are videos and reports to go by. All look promising. I think I know who I want as top choice, but so damn close.

I would love Boston to go after a potentially solid role playing guard/wing that seems may available at 30 -47th pick..

Of course there are other positions/players in RD 2 as well. But between these 5, who is your top choice?

Elijah Hughes 6'6 SG. Good shooting overall, with some decent creativity.

Watch on YouTube

Isaiah Joe - 6'5 SG - is he a prolific shooter or a high volume shooter?? plays decent defense as well.

Watch on YouTube

Immanuel Quickley - 6'3 Combo Guard. defends very well and has a solid knock down jumper. Long arms.. can play 2 positions

Watch on YouTube

;t=443s

Nate Hinton 6'5 SG possible the toughest Offense/defense/rebounding combination of the group.

Watch on YouTube

;t=3s

Cassius Stanley 6'6 SG - maybe the best finisher and up and down player. Was he held back a bit at Duke (like Tatum) good shooter and defender as well.

Watch on YouTube

Give me Hinton and Quickley, thanks!

[Spin Move]

Not going to link videos, as of now everyone should have an Idea. But if picking between Paul Reed and Daniel Oturo, 2 possible up and coming Bigs. who would you take??

They played eachother last year here is the stat lines
MIN FG FG% 3PT 3P% FT FT% REB AST BLK STL PF TO PTS
Reed 34 5-13 38.5 0-2 0.0 1-2 50.0 9 1 8 0 3 3 11
Oturo 39 5-10 50.0 0-2 0.0 9-14 64.3 18 2 4 1 2 4 19

Oturo put up 19 and 18 on better shooting. Reed put up 11 and 9 but had 8 blocks to Oturo's 4. I would say that Oturo had the better game.Comparing the 2 Oturo is bigger, he is more of a true 5. Reed's steal numbers are really impressive, high steals often corrolate to nba success. I like Oturo a little better. Oturo is the much better shooter from distance, multiple draft sites say reed needs to work on his mechanics to make nba threes. Reed is faster and more switchable, Oturo Measured out at a legit 6'10 with a 7-4 winspan Reed will likley not be as big and wieghs 20 pounds less.

Head to Head Oturo vs Jalen Smith
MIN FG FG% 3PT 3P% FT FT% REB AST BLK STL PF TO PTS
Oturo 38 10-13 76.9 2-3 66.7 6-6 100.0 11 1 1 0 1 2 28
Smith 24 5-10 50.0 1-3 33.3 5-6 83.3 12 0 2 1 4 0 16

Oturo Put up 28 and 11 to Smith;s 16 and 12, though in fairness per minute smith was more productive but he got into foul trouble

Oturo Vs Tillman
MIN FG FG% 3PT 3P% FT FT% REB AST BLK STL PF TO PTS
Oturo 39 6-10 60.0 2-2 100.0 6-7 85.7 12 3 2 0 2 1 20
Oturo 34 9-19 47.4 1-2 50.0 3-4 75.0 10 1 2 1 3 2 22
Tillman 34 9-14 64.3 0-0 0.0 1-4 25.0 16 4 5 3 1 1 19
Tillmen 31 5-9 55.6 0-0 0.0 7-9 77.8 10 5 2 0 4 2 17
Tillman got the better one game, Oturo the other, both had good games both times

Tillman vs Smith
MIN FG FG% 3PT 3P% FT FT% REB AST BLK STL PF TO PTS

Tillmen 34 7-11 63.6 0-2 0.0 0-0 0.0 12 6 2 1 3 0 14
Smith 39 6-10 60.0 2-2 100.0 6-7 85.7 12 3 2 0 2 1 20

Smith got the better of that game slighty though 6 assists are impressive on tillmans part He is the best passer of the bunch averaged 3 assists a game.

[Spin Move]

Tankathon has a really nice comparison tool

Here it is with Reed Smith Oturo and Tillman in it
http://www.tankathon.com/players/compare?players=daniel-oturu--paul-reed--jalen-smith--xavier-tillman

[Roddy B for 3]

The nba draft subforum has Boston on the clock at #26. Please vote on it!

[winsomme2]

Not going to link videos, as of now everyone should have an Idea. But if picking between Paul Reed and Daniel Oturo, 2 possible up and coming Bigs. who would you take??

Reed for sure.

I get major red flags watching Oturu play. He seems like he's just gonna be a journey man big who never really lands anywhere. Like he has the tantalizing skills and measurements but doesn't actually deliver.

Reed seems like a nice modern day big to me. Like a Kevon Looney. I think he'd do well on the Cs.

[winsomme2]

Robert Woodard vs. Tyler Bey

I'm def in the Woodard camp. He'd be a nice pick up at 30. Up against Bey, I see more spring, balance, and control. I think he's gonna be a solid rotational wing. If he can knock down 3s, he's got starter potential. Bey's feet seem heavy to me. Although I do like his profile.

[winsomme2]

Biggest frustration of this draft right now?

For me, it's RJ Hampton. He is totally going to be available at 14 IMO.

I just can't get a feel for his ball-handling and ability to knock down jump shots (midrange and threes). HIs dribble seems high to me which is a TO waiting to happen in the current NBA. You could see teams feasting on Jaylen and Tatum in the playoffs this year when they would penetrate. So many TOs. I worry that Hampton would be the same. And his shot isn't soft. When he misses, it seems like the ball comes of the rim hot. Much like Westbrook.

Ugh. He has SO much potential. I just can't tell how these things will play out in the pros.

[ConstableGeneva]

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