2020 Offseason: Trade Ideas / Trade Talk

[zaymon]

https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/warriors/paul-pierce-suggests-all-star-player-warriors-could-trade-no-2-pick?fbclid=IwAR3leAUnyyXN0oJgOzEF0IZdqHhsEjn_7A8B-yUzvohBkbkh5SbVzbe-PIw


Like this idea?

I wouldnt. I dont believe in any top players and Wiggins contract is top 5 worst contracts in the nba. Fultz and Vucevic partnership should get interesting next year, and propable AG trade could give everyone more space to operate. I think its more likely than we will trade for a disgruntled star than that Ball and Edwards develop into something. Overall i am certain Weltman has many mathematical projections (and eye test from training) to assess if our young core is worth investing into.

[jezzerinho]

I would do Porter, White , 4th pick for Evan and Gordon and 15 pick swap.

Prefering to take Porter and re sign him on way better contract ( 4 years , 75M for example) , and draft Toppin or Vassell.

Magic projected 5 would be Fultz- White- Porter- Aminu- Vuc. White, Bamba, Okeke, 2020 pick, fillers bench.

This trade makes more sense down the line, if 2020 pick is anything, and whole SF position is solved. Porter is perfect 3 and D player every team needs. But his ugly contract makes him tradable.

Can't see Chicago going for it at all but I certainly would. At 4 I draft Haliburton or trade down for another asset. Okoro interests me too. Bad fit short term with our lack of shooting but talent is talent.

[WillyJakkz]

I hate Paul Pierce and his takes but on The Jump when he said GSW should trade Wiggins and #2 for Vucevic I had the Jack Nicholson "Anger Management Yes" gif playing in my mind.

Draft LaMelo Ball or Wiseman of Ball is gone and I'm loving it.

[MagicFan101]

Atlanta wants to trade the #6 pick to make a run at the playoffs.

It would be hard to get them to work within the division I feel but what would we have to add to the #15 pick to get them interested?

I feel the #6 pick might be a better landing spot for us to grab someone like Killian Hayes than going up to #2 and having to take back the Wiggins contract.

[Knightro]

Atlanta wants to trade the #6 pick to make a run at the playoffs.

It would be hard to get them to work within the division I feel but what would we have to add to the #15 pick to get them interested?

I feel the #6 pick might be a better landing spot for us to grab someone like Killian Hayes than going up to #2 and having to take back the Wiggins contract.

Most people would say Gordon + 15 is too much for 6.

Most people would say Fournier + 15 isn't enough for 6.

It all depends on how much you value guys like Hayes and Haliburton. If you really like them and think they can be all-star caliber guards, then there's really no price of "current player + 15" that's too crazy.

[Bensational]

Atlanta wants to trade the #6 pick to make a run at the playoffs.

It would be hard to get them to work within the division I feel but what would we have to add to the #15 pick to get them interested?

I feel the #6 pick might be a better landing spot for us to grab someone like Killian Hayes than going up to #2 and having to take back the Wiggins contract.

Most people would say Gordon + 15 is too much for 6.

Most people would say Fournier + 15 isn't enough for 6.

It all depends on how much you value guys like Hayes and Haliburton. If you really like them and think they can be all-star caliber guards, then there's really no price of "current player + 15" that's too crazy.

Yeah, Gordon for the 6 straight up should be plenty. But Atlanta doesn't really have a need for him. Perhaps:

ORL: #6
IND: Gordon
ATL: Oladipo

?

[drsd]

Yeah, Gordon for the 6 straight up should be plenty. But Atlanta doesn't really have a need for him. Perhaps:

ORL: #6
IND: Gordon
ATL: Oladipo

?

At #6, Orlando could tab Devin Vassell. But given the absence of Isaac and the loss of Gordon in this trade, all the sudden the Magic need to consider drafting a forward. This means Obi Toppin or Onyeka Okongwu (and Toppin is a better fit to Isaac).

So, should the Magic trade Gordon for the rights to Toppin? I am hard pressed to go for a yes answer to that question.

[MagicFan101]

Yeah, Gordon for the 6 straight up should be plenty. But Atlanta doesn't really have a need for him. Perhaps:

ORL: #6
IND: Gordon
ATL: Oladipo

?

At #6, Orlando could tab Devin Vassell. But given the absence of Isaac and the loss of Gordon in this trade, all the sudden the Magic need to consider drafting a forward. This means Obi Toppin or Onyeka Okongwu (and Toppin is a better fit to Isaac).

So, should the Magic trade Gordon for the rights to Toppin? I am hard pressed to go for a yes answer to that question.

This is the most 2020 post I have seen.

[Tarheel]

Yeah, Gordon for the 6 straight up should be plenty. But Atlanta doesn't really have a need for him. Perhaps:

ORL: #6
IND: Gordon
ATL: Oladipo

?

At #6, Orlando could tab Devin Vassell. But given the absence of Isaac and the loss of Gordon in this trade, all the sudden the Magic need to consider drafting a forward. This means Obi Toppin or Onyeka Okongwu (and Toppin is a better fit to Isaac).

So, should the Magic trade Gordon for the rights to Toppin? I am hard pressed to go for a yes answer to that question.

Why does trading Gordon for #6 predetermine that we have to draft a forward?

Even if you fall on the fit side of the fit v BPA argument, we still have Aminu and Okeke as our 4 rotation next year with Isaac to come back the following year.

If we're trading up for #6 (regardless of who we trade for the pick - I do think the Hawks might have some interest in Fournier) it should be for a specific target who Weltman wants and believes has the talent worth doing it for. If Toppin is that guy to him, fine. But we shouldn't lean more towards drafting him because he's a more direct replacement for the player we traded to get him.

You draft the guy you believe has the talent regardless of what it costs and make the pieces fit later.

[Knightro]

At #6, Orlando could tab Devin Vassell. But given the absence of Isaac and the loss of Gordon in this trade, all the sudden the Magic need to consider drafting a forward. This means Obi Toppin or Onyeka Okongwu (and Toppin is a better fit to Isaac).

So, should the Magic trade Gordon for the rights to Toppin? I am hard pressed to go for a yes answer to that question.

Or the Magic could not worry about what position they would "need" the most for this upcoming season (plus they'd still have Aminu/Okeke/Clark under contract plus trades and free agency to fill the PF slot) and just draft the best player available at 6.

Personally I'm only going up to 6 for Hayes or Haliburton or if something whacky happens like Edwards slips.

[Xatticus]

Atlanta wants to trade the #6 pick to make a run at the playoffs.

It would be hard to get them to work within the division I feel but what would we have to add to the #15 pick to get them interested?

I feel the #6 pick might be a better landing spot for us to grab someone like Killian Hayes than going up to #2 and having to take back the Wiggins contract.

Most people would say Gordon + 15 is too much for 6.

Most people would say Fournier + 15 isn't enough for 6.

It all depends on how much you value guys like Hayes and Haliburton. If you really like them and think they can be all-star caliber guards, then there's really no price of "current player + 15" that's too crazy.

I don't think the value is the issue. We don't have what the Hawks are going to want. If they think they can extend Collins, do they want Gordon? If not, they would have to move Collins first. Are they going to be willing to attach value to a swap? I doubt it. The same is true for Vucevic. They won't pay him if they are paying Capela. Do they attach their pick with Capela to get Vucevic? Would they have any interest at all in Fournier when they already have Huerter? I sincerely doubt it. We just aren't a good trading partner for Atlanta if their goal is to get someone that changes their fortunes. Consider... if our players were good for that purpose, wouldn't we be better than we are? Our win-now pieces haven't really won anything.

I tend to think this rumor has more to do with Atlanta just not liking what's available to them when they pick.

[VFX]

Yeah, Gordon for the 6 straight up should be plenty. But Atlanta doesn't really have a need for him. Perhaps:

ORL: #6
IND: Gordon
ATL: Oladipo

?

At #6, Orlando could tab Devin Vassell. But given the absence of Isaac and the loss of Gordon in this trade, all the sudden the Magic need to consider drafting a forward. This means Obi Toppin or Onyeka Okongwu (and Toppin is a better fit to Isaac).

So, should the Magic trade Gordon for the rights to Toppin? I am hard pressed to go for a yes answer to that question.

This is the most 2020 post I have seen.

Thanks.

Legitimately made me lol on this forum for once in a long time.

[Magic#1]

At #6, Orlando could tab Devin Vassell. But given the absence of Isaac and the loss of Gordon in this trade, all the sudden the Magic need to consider drafting a forward. This means Obi Toppin or Onyeka Okongwu (and Toppin is a better fit to Isaac).

So, should the Magic trade Gordon for the rights to Toppin? I am hard pressed to go for a yes answer to that question.

Or the Magic could not worry about what position they would "need" the most for this upcoming season (plus they'd still have Aminu/Okeke/Clark under contract plus trades and free agency to fill the PF slot) and just draft the best player available at 6.

Personally I'm only going up to 6 for Hayes or Haliburton or if something whacky happens like Edwards slips.

Edwards is the only player I would be trying to trade up for. Unless we really do think another player is a hidden future all star. But if we do trade AG, Toppin makes a lot of sense as a replacement. We lose out big time on the defensive end, but in a year with JI potentially back, they could be a good combo at those forward spots. Toppin can be good, but I don't think he will be a legit No. 1 option and to me that is the only thing we should be trying to trade for and take the chance on.

[p0peye]

Season being cut short, pre-draft camps and all, combined with perceived weak draft class makes this draft potential opportunity to snag All Star caliber player in late first round, while at the same time it is possible three years down the road we'll see mostly scrubs in lottery. I wouldn't trade up this year.

[Knightro]

Saw this one on The Athletic.

Eric Gordon, Danuel House and an unprotected 2021 or 2022 first rounder for Aaron Gordon

The Magic take on one extra year of E. Gordon, but in exchange get a potentially juicy unprotected pick in 2021 or 2022 and get a very tradeable wing in House.

Plus it would likely make the Magic a good bit worse this year upcoming year which would increase the value of their own 2021 pick.

[tiderulz]

Saw this one on The Athletic.

Eric Gordon, Danuel House and an unprotected 2021 or 2022 first rounder for Aaron Gordon

The Magic take on one extra year of E. Gordon, but in exchange get a potentially juicy unprotected pick in 2021 or 2022 and get a very tradeable wing in House.

Plus it would likely make the Magic a good bit worse this year upcoming year which would increase the value of their own 2021 pick.

Houston has never had a high pick. they have #1 in 2002 and #8 in 2006, from then on the lowest was 12. i wouldnt value a Houston 1st rounder very high

[Knightro]

Houston has never had a high pick. they have #1 in 2002 and #8 in 2006, from then on the lowest was 12. i wouldnt value a Houston 1st rounder very high

New GM and new coach. Aging roster that could be on the verge of collapse.

I think they might fall apart in the next 12-24 months.

[drsd]

Edwards is the only player I would be trying to trade up for.

I would be ok with a modest trade to go from #15 to say #12 or #13 to nab Nesmith.

Perhaps #15, #45, next years 2nd-round pick and Birch would be enough. Or the Magic could take on a semi-bloated contract as another idea.


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[MagicFan101]

Bleacher Report trade suggestion:

The Trade: Minnesota Timberwolves acquire Aaron Gordon from the Orlando Magic for James Johnson (opt in), the No. 17 pick (via Brooklyn) in the 2020 draft and first-round swap rights in 2022.

Not the AG to T-Wolves deal we have been talking about ...

But perhaps this is more realistic??

We get to keep #15 and add #17. With Johnson we save one year of salary from AG and hit free agency cap space early.

[Blue_and_Whte]

Bleacher Report trade suggestion:

The Trade: Minnesota Timberwolves acquire Aaron Gordon from the Orlando Magic for James Johnson (opt in), the No. 17 pick (via Brooklyn) in the 2020 draft and first-round swap rights in 2022.

Not the AG to T-Wolves deal we have been talking about ...

But perhaps this is more realistic??

We get to keep #15 and add #17. With Johnson we save one year of salary from AG and hit free agency cap space early.

Yup this seems like the underwhelming Magic moves where all used to, and probably the most realistic assuming they're desperate to move AG.