Prospect Thread: James Wiseman

Post #461 » by **fatlever** » Wed Oct 28, 2020 5:13 pm

Fixing your lineup...

Graham, Cody Martin, Wiggins, pj, wiseman

I put Cody m in all my future lineups.

Bench... small ball
Rozier, monk, Caleb, miles, jalen

BigSlam wrote:
fatlever wrote:Listened to Rick Bonnell on his interview this morning. He said he spoke to two front office people and he seems very convinced that it's not a smokescreen. They asked him what would be fair value to move up and he mentioned Cody Zeller and Malik Monk as trade bait. At no point did he bring up an unconditional future first-round pick. That's completely asinine and I don't believe for one second that is on the table.

I do believe that Cody would be a fantastic fit with the Warriors. His screen setting ability with curry and Thompson would be a match made in heaven. We would probably have to take back a bad contract and that deal.

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I posed this on Aug 21st:

BigSlam wrote:Warriors offer:

#2 and Wiggins
For
#3 and Cody

We draft Wiseman and add the wing scorer we need going into next season with:
Tae - Wiggins - Miles - 3J - Wiseman

The Warriors only move down 1 spot, pick up a young vet 5 while getting out of the Wiggins contract and add Edwards at #3 to eventually replace Wiggins at a much lower price.

What would you do?

I'd also mentioned in the fake trade thread months ago that, like you above, I thought Cody would be an awesome fit on the Warriors with his hard picks and rim running.

I also posted that I think Bats would be a good fit there in an "Iguodala" role for them.

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HornetJail · Post #462 » by **HornetJail** » Wed Oct 28, 2020 5:26 pm

BigSlam wrote:
fatlever wrote:Listened to Rick Bonnell on his interview this morning. He said he spoke to two front office people and he seems very convinced that it's not a smokescreen. They asked him what would be fair value to move up and he mentioned Cody Zeller and Malik Monk as trade bait. At no point did he bring up an unconditional future first-round pick. That's completely asinine and I don't believe for one second that is on the table.

I do believe that Cody would be a fantastic fit with the Warriors. His screen setting ability with curry and Thompson would be a match made in heaven. We would probably have to take back a bad contract and that deal.

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I posed this on Aug 21st:

BigSlam wrote:Warriors offer:

#2 and Wiggins
For
#3 and Cody

We draft Wiseman and add the wing scorer we need going into next season with:
Tae - Wiggins - Miles - 3J - Wiseman

The Warriors only move down 1 spot, pick up a young vet 5 while getting out of the Wiggins contract and add Edwards at #3 to eventually replace Wiggins at a much lower price.

What would you do?

I'd also mentioned in the fake trade thread months ago that, like you above, I thought Cody would be an awesome fit on the Warriors with his hard picks and rim running.

I also posted that I think Bats would be a good fit there in an "Iguodala" role for them.

If that is the price to secure Wiseman, are you sure that's good value? Is the difference between Wiggins+Wiseman and just Okongwu worth about $15M this year and $30M a year for the following 2 years? I feel like we can squeeze more out of Golden State, like a 2026 1st or something, if they're dumping that whole ass contract.

_tijo_ · Post #463 » by **_tijo_** » Wed Oct 28, 2020 5:30 pm

If we want to win the championship, we need to be able to guard 5s (or big 4s) like Anthony Davis, and/or a developing Bam. IF you think Wiseman can do that and have his offense grow, then he's fine at 3. But I think GS might take him from us because they might come to the same conclusion.

I think Min trades out for someone hot for Ball. I think GS takes Wiseman. I don't think ANYONE is trading up for ANYBODY but Ball.

Post #464 » by **yosemiteben** » Wed Oct 28, 2020 6:24 pm

I'm 0% certain that Wiseman will have a better career than OO, so I have a hard time convincing myself that a trade like this makes sense.

With that said, in the bottom of my heart I really didn't think our FO would be interested in Wiseman so color me surprised.

Vanderbilt_Grad · Post #465 » by **Vanderbilt_Grad** » Wed Oct 28, 2020 8:45 pm

amcoolio wrote:I won't be mad if we take Wiseman, I'll cheer him on and be optimistic about his potential, I just think there are a few players who will be better/more impactful than him long term and at pick #3 there is no excuse

I was wrong on SGA, and I think Hayes is flat out better than SGA, and I think you can win basketball games with Washington at the 5, which means we can take a wing here and be fine

yosemiteben wrote:I'm 0% certain that Wiseman will have a better career than OO, so I have a hard time convincing myself that a trade like this makes sense.

With that said, in the bottom of my heart I really didn't think our FO would be interested in Wiseman so color me surprised.

This is where I'm at.

DY_nasty · Post #466 » by **DY_nasty** » Wed Oct 28, 2020 9:13 pm

i want no part of wiggins here ever

Braggins · Post #467 » by **Braggins** » Wed Oct 28, 2020 10:21 pm

DY_nasty wrote:i want no part of wiggins here ever

I doubt your commitment to the tank :wink:

truthbtold21 · Post #468 » by **truthbtold21** » Wed Oct 28, 2020 11:45 pm

We haven't had a true center since big al left I'm with either wiseman or OO they are part of the future big men of this league

Rich4114 · Post #469 » by **Rich4114** » Thu Oct 29, 2020 3:12 am

With the salary cap coming down and a team like GS being stuck in the tax, I feel like they just want to pay their rookie less which they can do by moving down or off load some contract to a team that has room to take it on for a year like us. I could see us making a move to move up but the pieces being exchanged are likely nothing spectacular and more for cap savings in 2020-21.

Hornet Mania · Post #470 » by **Hornet Mania** » Thu Oct 29, 2020 11:15 am

I laughed when I saw the The Ringer's speculation that we'd send 3+future unprotected 1st just to move up a couple spots. "That was the price for the Fultz trade" lol, their analysis is terrible per usual. This is an entirely different situation.

The Sixers were loaded with excess assets (they traded the Kings' pick not their own) and believed they already had two future superstars in Embiid/Simmons so that trade was meant to complete The Process. Our team is nowhere near that position, we're still looking to add our first star.

It's entirely possible our FO is stupid enough to do it, but it's really not a comparable scenario. Philly's move was a disaster in hindsight but it at least made sense on paper at the time. Paying out the nose to move up two spots in a crapshoot draft, sending out an unprotected pick 18 months from now when your team has zero sure-fire stars, is not nearly as understandable.

Rich4114 · Post #471 » by **Rich4114** » Fri Oct 30, 2020 3:01 am

I just can’t see them giving up any kind of serious asset to move up in this draft. They are in the unique position of just take BPA of whichever player falls. Most universally look at Ball/Edwards/Wiseman as the top 3. I assume we do too and the only dilemma appears if two of them are available when we pick. In which case, I think their order is Wiseman-Edwards-Ball. We aren’t trading a future lottery pick to pick the one we like the most.

UnFadeable21 · Post #472 » by **UnFadeable21** » Fri Oct 30, 2020 6:39 am

Brian Windhorst said Wiseman’s camp won’t interview with Minnesota because they don’t believe he and KAT can play together.

Windhorst also said Wiseman won’t make it past pick 2 so if Charlotte wants him which they do, they will have to move up to 1 to get him.

Wiseman has only met with two teams and that’s Warriors and Hornets.

This was on a podcast Skor North the Scoop

Post #473 » by **luciano-davidwesley** » Fri Oct 30, 2020 9:16 am

UnFadeable21 wrote:Brian Windhorst said Wiseman’s camp won’t interview with Minnesota because they don’t believe he and KAT can play together.

Windhorst also said Wiseman won’t make it past pick 2 so if Charlotte wants him which they do, they will have to move up to 1 to get him.

Wiseman has only met with two teams and that’s Warriors and Hornets.

This was on a podcast Skor North the Scoop

That's how I see the top 2 picks going.
1. Edwards
2. Wiseman

Unfortunately for us.

Soca · Post #474 » by **Soca** » Fri Oct 30, 2020 10:30 am

luciano-davidwesley wrote:
UnFadeable21 wrote:Brian Windhorst said Wiseman’s camp won’t interview with Minnesota because they don’t believe he and KAT can play together.

Windhorst also said Wiseman won’t make it past pick 2 so if Charlotte wants him which they do, they will have to move up to 1 to get him.

Wiseman has only met with two teams and that’s Warriors and Hornets.

This was on a podcast Skor North the Scoop

That's how I see the top 2 picks going.
1. Edwards
2. Wiseman

Unfortunately for us.

Agreed.

UnFadeable21 · Post #475 » by **UnFadeable21** » Sat Oct 31, 2020 6:22 pm

Read on Twitter

?s=21

Wiseman wants to go to the Hornets or Warriors so if Hornets want him, they will have to trade to 1

amcoolio · Post #476 » by **amcoolio** » Sat Oct 31, 2020 6:25 pm

luciano-davidwesley wrote:
UnFadeable21 wrote:Brian Windhorst said Wiseman’s camp won’t interview with Minnesota because they don’t believe he and KAT can play together.

Windhorst also said Wiseman won’t make it past pick 2 so if Charlotte wants him which they do, they will have to move up to 1 to get him.

Wiseman has only met with two teams and that’s Warriors and Hornets.

This was on a podcast Skor North the Scoop

That's how I see the top 2 picks going.
1. Edwards
2. Wiseman

Unfortunately for us.

Great for us, both are overrated! I don't see Wiseman ever initiating offense or shooting 3's and I don't see Edwards being a Wade-like leader or having strong BBIQ.

Dont be dumb Charlotte just take your pick of Hayes or Okongwu (strongly leaning Hayes)

driveandkick · Post #477 » by **driveandkick** » Sat Oct 31, 2020 6:56 pm

luciano-davidwesley wrote:
UnFadeable21 wrote:Brian Windhorst said Wiseman’s camp won’t interview with Minnesota because they don’t believe he and KAT can play together.

Windhorst also said Wiseman won’t make it past pick 2 so if Charlotte wants him which they do, they will have to move up to 1 to get him.

Wiseman has only met with two teams and that’s Warriors and Hornets.

This was on a podcast Skor North the Scoop

That's how I see the top 2 picks going.
1. Edwards
2. Wiseman

Unfortunately for us.

I'm going to run so many victory laps on here if we end up drafting Ball. I think we'd take Okongwu if Wiseman and Edwards are gone.

Post #478 » by **yosemiteben** » Sat Oct 31, 2020 7:43 pm

UnFadeable21 wrote:

Read on Twitter
?s=21

Wiseman wants to go to the Hornets or Warriors so if Hornets want him, they will have to trade to 1

Not seeing the connection between that tweet and your conclusion.

DY_nasty · Post #479 » by **DY_nasty** » Sat Oct 31, 2020 7:49 pm

UnFadeable21 wrote:

Read on Twitter
?s=21

Wiseman wants to go to the Hornets or Warriors so if Hornets want him, they will have to trade to 1

lol for what

the gap between wiseman and the rest of this board isn't that significant. we could take toppin at #3 and get away with it :lol:

UnFadeable21 · Post #480 » by **UnFadeable21** » Sat Oct 31, 2020 8:06 pm

yosemiteben wrote:
UnFadeable21 wrote:

Read on Twitter
?s=21

Wiseman wants to go to the Hornets or Warriors so if Hornets want him, they will have to trade to 1

Not seeing the connection between that tweet and your conclusion.

Because Brian Windhorst reported this

Brian Windhorst said Wiseman’s camp won’t interview with Minnesota because they don’t believe he and KAT can play together.

Windhorst also said Wiseman won’t make it past pick 2 so if Charlotte wants him which they do, they will have to move up to 1 to get him.

Wiseman has only met with two teams and that’s Warriors and Hornets.

This was on a podcast Skor North the Scoop