Official 2020 NBA Draft Thread

[jezzerinho]

Trade-up
Safe: Haliburton
High Risk: Okoro
Best need fill: Edwards if available

#15
Safe: S. Bey
Risky: Anthony
Best need fill: Terry

Trade-down
Safe: Dotson
Risky: Everyone! Poku/Bolmaro/Scrubb
Best need fill: Riller

[KillMonger]

Consensus time.....what's your top 3 at this point?

1. Kira Lewis Jr.
2. Tyrell Terry
3. Jaden Mcdaniels

Honorable Mention(selections i wouldn't be upset by)

1.Josh Green
2.Cole Anthony
3.RJ Hampton

If we move up

1. Hayes
2. Haliburton
3. Vassell

Give us moarrr on Lewis and McDaniels. What do you like about them?

Hmm, my top 3 would be A. Edwards, T. Haliburton, A. Nesmith.

Kira Lewis comes into the league with speed and shooting, wouldn't call him a knock down shooter but his shooting should translate and i will find it interesting in anyone can stay in front of him consistently his quick first step is very real.

Mcdaniels is more of a project/potential pick instead of being a prospect i'm expecting to contribute right away...his measurables is intriguing and i'm hoping he can be a wing in the nba as opposed to a 4.....i look at Jaden and at best i would hope for a brandon ingram-lite or a bizaro offensive version of Jonathan Isaac

what makes our spot in the draft interesting is you can select any prospect slated in and around that 12-20 range and you'll be right, the talent level around our spot is so close it's hard to go wrong really.....but.....knowing our front office......

[Bensational]

My picks:

If we trade up: (I'm confident we will)

1a/b Hayes / Haliburton

at #15

a/b Terry/Maxey
Pok/Lewis
Green/McDaniels/Nesmith

I've got a pretty wide open net. I've cooled on Lewis a little after watching him in interviews. He's too meak to be a leader, in my opinion. His awkwardness reminds me of Payton. I think he'll thrive as a 6th man scorer type, but don't think he'll cut it as top option.

Terry and Maxey both give us what we need in very different packages. I'd be stoked with either.

But I think Hayes or Haliburton could be picked up without giving up any long term pieces, and both project to be that. If Hayes can develop his right hand and steady his 3pt shooting, look out. Haliburton will help a team win from day 1, and could be the kind of floor leader we need to get all pieces firing at once.

I'm excited for this draft. I think something surprisingly good will come of it.

[Knightro]

I’m a bit surprised at how many mocks / big boards are showing Terry as a second rounder in the last 48 hours of updates.

There are tons of teams trying to move around in this draft.

Perhaps we have this all wrong.

Maybe we shouldn’t be trying to move up into the top 10?? Maybe we should be trying to get a late 1st rounders and to grab Terry AFTER we grab someone like:

Bey, Nesmith or even double down with Maxey.

Terry does appear to have a much wider range than most prospects. I've seen him anywhere from 10 to 40, which is a massive gap.

USA Today: 10th overall
NBADraft.net: 12th overall
The Ringer: 15th overall
Sports Illustrated: 17th overall
Yahoo: 20th overall
Bleacher Report: 21st overall
The Athletic: 2nd round
Stadium: 2nd round
CBS Sports: 2nd round

[zaymon]

Fluid top choices at #15
1. Pokusevski
2. Maledon
3. Bane

Trade up:
1. Okoro
2. Hayes

Second round targers:
1.Riller
2.Tillie
3. T. Bey
4. Reed

[Def Swami]

My picks:

If we trade up: (I'm confident we will)

1a/b Hayes / Haliburton

at #15

a/b Terry/Maxey
Pok/Lewis
Green/McDaniels/Nesmith

I've got a pretty wide open net. I've cooled on Lewis a little after watching him in interviews. He's too meak to be a leader, in my opinion. His awkwardness reminds me of Payton. I think he'll thrive as a 6th man scorer type, but don't think he'll cut it as top option.

Terry and Maxey both give us what we need in very different packages. I'd be stoked with either.

But I think Hayes or Haliburton could be picked up without giving up any long term pieces, and both project to be that. If Hayes can develop his right hand and steady his 3pt shooting, look out. Haliburton will help a team win from day 1, and could be the kind of floor leader we need to get all pieces firing at once.

I'm excited for this draft. I think something surprisingly good will come of it.

When was the last time you came away from an Orlando Magic draft feeling good? For me, the feel good draft performances have been few and far between over the last decade. I have to prep myself to not commit to a player or get excited anymore because of the let down every year.

For me it was maybe 2013 with Oladipo at #2. I felt generally positive and excited about that pick. That was such a weird draft. All of the mock drafts were way off. The team's personal draft boards were all over the place. I would have been excited for CJ McCollum at #2 that year as well over the guys being talked about like Ben McLemore or Nerlens Noel. I think we could see something similar play out this year.

A little trip down memory lane...

Spoiler:

Daniel Orton at #29 in 2010 was so out of left field and underwhelming. Everyone knew it was a bust when it happened. They drafted a kid who barely played at UK and never worked out, let alone had a phone call, with the Magic.

IIRC, in 2011, Otis Smith and his front office started celebrating after trading 2 future 2nd round picks for Justin Harper at 32nd from the Cavs. It was embarrassing.

2012 was an underwhelming draft to begin with. I wasn't too excited with any of those prospects in the 20's, but I actually liked Andrew Nicholson's game and personality. I'm convinced Jacque Vaughn broke Nicholson's soul in the season-opener of 2013-2014 season after benching him the entire 2nd half after Nicholson scored 18 points in the 1st half.

I'll admit it. I wanted Dante Exum and Zach Lavine in 2014. Walking away with Aaron Gordon and having to trade UP to get Elfrid Payton felt like a let down.

2015 was rotten luck. Missing Porzingis by 1 pick that year. Hennigan was so sold on him, he would have took him in 2014 if he had stayed in the draft. If Porzingis fell to Hennigan, I think there's a simulation where he's still GM.

2016 continues to age poorly. That Oladipo + Sabonis for Ibaka deal set us back. It was compounded by an even more confusing free agency with spending big money on Bismack Biyombo. That was a rough summer.

2017 was annoying because the Magic sold the #25 pick that year when guys like Kyle Kuzma, Derrick White, Josh Hart, Frank Mason III, Semi Ojeleye, Jordan Bell, Dillon Brooks, and Monte Morris were still available. The whole "draft flattened out" line from Weltman left a bad impression with me. It was a missed opportunity IMHO.

2018 is a back breaker. Probably the most devastating miss in the decade IMHO. I strongly believe the Magic were locked in on Trae Young at #6 the whole year. For the Hawks and Mavs to make that trade an hour before the draft was crushing. Much like if Porzingis fell to the Magic in 2014, I think Young on the Magic in 2018 completely changes the future of the franchise. The consolation of Mo Bamba doesn't feel great.

2019 - We'll see. I still would have taken NAW. I think he fit everything the team needed from a back court player. I was more shocked that the Magic took Chuma Okeke than anything. He wasn't slated to go that high. He was projected as a 1st rounder in many mock drafts. There was no link to us, so I didn't really pay much attention to him in the pre-draft stuff. After a year sitting on it, I like his game. I'm hopeful that his shooting translates. And it was underwhelming that we took a player who wouldn't see the court for a year. It's one thing if that player is Ben Simmons or Joel Embiid. It's another if that player is projected 2nd round and reached for in the mid-1st.

[Bensational]

Spoiler:

My picks:

If we trade up: (I'm confident we will)

1a/b Hayes / Haliburton

at #15

a/b Terry/Maxey
Pok/Lewis
Green/McDaniels/Nesmith

I've got a pretty wide open net. I've cooled on Lewis a little after watching him in interviews. He's too meak to be a leader, in my opinion. His awkwardness reminds me of Payton. I think he'll thrive as a 6th man scorer type, but don't think he'll cut it as top option.

Terry and Maxey both give us what we need in very different packages. I'd be stoked with either.

But I think Hayes or Haliburton could be picked up without giving up any long term pieces, and both project to be that. If Hayes can develop his right hand and steady his 3pt shooting, look out. Haliburton will help a team win from day 1, and could be the kind of floor leader we need to get all pieces firing at once.

I'm excited for this draft. I think something surprisingly good will come of it.

When was the last time you came away from an Orlando Magic draft feeling good? For me, the feel good draft performances have been few and far between over the last decade. I have to prep myself to not commit to a player or get excited anymore because of the let down every year.

Spoiler:

For me it was maybe 2013 with Oladipo at #2. I felt generally positive and excited about that pick. That was such a weird draft. All of the mock drafts were way off. The team's personal draft boards were all over the place. I would have been excited for CJ McCollum at #2 that year as well over the guys being talked about like Ben McLemore or Nerlens Noel. I think we could see something similar play out this year.

A little trip down memory lane...

[spoiler]Daniel Orton at #29 in 2010 was so out of left field and underwhelming. Everyone knew it was a bust when it happened. They drafted a kid who barely played at UK and never worked out, let alone had a phone call, with the Magic.

IIRC, in 2011, Otis Smith and his front office started celebrating after trading 2 future 2nd round picks for Justin Harper at 32nd from the Cavs. It was embarrassing.

2012 was an underwhelming draft to begin with. I wasn't too excited with any of those prospects in the 20's, but I actually liked Andrew Nicholson's game and personality. I'm convinced Jacque Vaughn broke Nicholson's soul in the season-opener of 2013-2014 season after benching him the entire 2nd half after Nicholson scored 18 points in the 1st half.

I'll admit it. I wanted Dante Exum and Zach Lavine in 2014. Walking away with Aaron Gordon and having to trade UP to get Elfrid Payton felt like a let down.

2015 was rotten luck. Missing Porzingis by 1 pick that year. Hennigan was so sold on him, he would have took him in 2014 if he had stayed in the draft. If Porzingis fell to Hennigan, I think there's a simulation where he's still GM.

2016 continues to age poorly. That Oladipo + Sabonis for Ibaka deal set us back. It was compounded by an even more confusing free agency with spending big money on Bismack Biyombo. That was a rough summer.

2017 was annoying because the Magic sold the #25 pick that year when guys like Kyle Kuzma, Derrick White, Josh Hart, Frank Mason III, Semi Ojeleye, Jordan Bell, Dillon Brooks, and Monte Morris were still available. The whole "draft flattened out" line from Weltman left a bad impression with me. It was a missed opportunity IMHO.

2018 is a back breaker. Probably the most devastating miss in the decade IMHO. I strongly believe the Magic were locked in on Trae Young at #6 the whole year. For the Hawks and Mavs to make that trade an hour before the draft was crushing. Much like if Porzingis fell to the Magic in 2014, I think Young on the Magic in 2018 completely changes the future of the franchise. The consolation of Mo Bamba doesn't feel great.

2019 - We'll see. I still would have taken NAW. I think he fit everything the team needed from a back court player. I was more shocked that the Magic took Chuma Okeke than anything. He wasn't slated to go that high. He was projected as a 1st rounder in many mock drafts. There was no link to us, so I didn't really pay much attention to him in the pre-draft stuff. After a year sitting on it, I like his game. I'm hopeful that his shooting translates.

[/spoiler]

Yeah, but for me the saving grace in this draft is that I can see the merits in so many prospects that WeHam will have to make a real outlier pick to piss me off. I'm with you on past drafts. And I'm not even suggesting we're going to find a franchise talent. I just think we'll get someone who can prove to have value, and once we've got a piece with value, we can start thinking and aiming bigger.

There are most certainly some prospects who can offer comparable skills to Herro, Duncan and Nunn going in this draft. Adding a piece like that to this team would be a success to me.

[yoyojw17]

Consensus time.....what's your top 3 at this point?

1. Kira Lewis Jr.
2. Tyrell Terry
3. Jaden Mcdaniels

Honorable Mention(selections i wouldn't be upset by)

1.Josh Green
2.Cole Anthony
3.RJ Hampton

If we move up

1. Hayes
2. Haliburton
3. Vassell

At #15-
1. Tyrell Terry
2. Kira Lewis Jr.
3. Tyrese Maxey

Non upset picks -
1. Leandro Bolmaro
2. RJ Hampton
3. Josh Green

Move up picks-
1. Killian Hayes
2. Deni Avdija
3. Tyrese Haliburton

Second round-
1. Grant Riller
2. Paul Reed
3. Jordan Nwora

At #15
1. Jaden Mcdaniels
2. Aleksej Pokusevski
3. Jalen Smith

Move up picks-
1. Deni Avdija
2. Killian Hayes
3. Obi Toppin

Second round-
1. Payton Pritchard
2. Markus Howard
3. Grant Riller

Happy to see some people high on McDaniels as well.... and not assuming he is in the same mold as Isaac and Bamba, per say. I would love to take a flyer on him... mainly if we get a second mid round pick. Would love to see us take a PG or SG best in tier available (nesmith, lewis, hampton, terry, maxey, green etc).... and then take crack at McDaniels.

Personally he is similar to Isaac and Bamba in the sense that his size might have impacted his performance and needs to fill out his body to get the best out of him. This is why you could see isaac taking huge steps in confidence in his return and bamba being more assertive in the minimal time he got when he returned. #sizematters

But in this case i think it definitely took away from his offense when he transitioned to college... and will take a toll on him even more iff he comes into the NBA without any upgrades. IF by chance his size goes up considerably before the draft.... i would not be surprised if his position rises in the draft.

[MagicFan101]

I’m a bit surprised at how many mocks / big boards are showing Terry as a second rounder in the last 48 hours of updates.

There are tons of teams trying to move around in this draft.

Perhaps we have this all wrong.

Maybe we shouldn’t be trying to move up into the top 10?? Maybe we should be trying to get a late 1st rounders and to grab Terry AFTER we grab someone like:

Bey, Nesmith or even double down with Maxey.

Terry does appear to have a much wider range than most prospects. I've seen him anywhere from 10 to 40, which is a massive gap.

USA Today: 10th overall
NBADraft.net: 12th overall
The Ringer: 15th overall
Sports Illustrated: 17th overall
Yahoo: 20th overall
Bleacher Report: 21st overall
The Athletic: 2nd round
Stadium: 2nd round
CBS Sports: 2nd round

If we don’t take Terry at #15 and he happens to still be there at #20 then we need to be on the phone with each and every team on the clock ready to buy a pick.

[VFX]

Fluid top choices at #15
1. Pokusevski
2. Maledon
3. Bane

Trade up:
1. Okoro
2. Hayes

Second round targers:
1.Riller
2.Tillie
3. T. Bey
4. Reed

Very contrarian of you.

[zaymon]

Fluid top choices at #15
1. Pokusevski
2. Maledon
3. Bane

Trade up:
1. Okoro
2. Hayes

Second round targers:
1.Riller
2.Tillie
3. T. Bey
4. Reed

Very contrarian of you.

I think all the players are up there in the conversation but i like the decision making, defensive versatility and shooting of those three the most. Pokusevski is straight upside, Maledon would fit in a double point guard lineups next to Fultz and Bane next to Ross would be pure fire.

[Ducklett]

I’m a bit surprised at how many mocks / big boards are showing Terry as a second rounder in the last 48 hours of updates.

There are tons of teams trying to move around in this draft.

Perhaps we have this all wrong.

Maybe we shouldn’t be trying to move up into the top 10?? Maybe we should be trying to get a late 1st rounders and to grab Terry AFTER we grab someone like:

Bey, Nesmith or even double down with Maxey.

Terry does appear to have a much wider range than most prospects. I've seen him anywhere from 10 to 40, which is a massive gap.

USA Today: 10th overall
NBADraft.net: 12th overall
The Ringer: 15th overall
Sports Illustrated: 17th overall
Yahoo: 20th overall
Bleacher Report: 21st overall
The Athletic: 2nd round
Stadium: 2nd round
CBS Sports: 2nd round

Like I mentioned before in a different thread: There are a lot of flags about his shooting because he only shoots pull-ups. He doesn't have a great rate of shooting different shots. Many of the draft heads consider Nesmith to be a better shooter because while he doesn't have the same throughput as Terry, he is comfortable with every kind of non-layup shot. That isn't to mention the defensive side of the ball.

That isn't to say I don't want Terry or that he isn't going to be a legendary shooter, but it is troubling to a lot of the draft guys and for good reason. Second round seems totally impossible. If he is in the 20s, the Magic need to make a move.

[p0peye]

As is the case ever since we let Jameer go, we have non-shooting project at PG and no true SF starter on the roster. Trade and/or draft for these positions.

[Xatticus]

I’m a bit surprised at how many mocks / big boards are showing Terry as a second rounder in the last 48 hours of updates.

There are tons of teams trying to move around in this draft.

Perhaps we have this all wrong.

Maybe we shouldn’t be trying to move up into the top 10?? Maybe we should be trying to get a late 1st rounders and to grab Terry AFTER we grab someone like:

Bey, Nesmith or even double down with Maxey.

Terry does appear to have a much wider range than most prospects. I've seen him anywhere from 10 to 40, which is a massive gap.

USA Today: 10th overall
NBADraft.net: 12th overall
The Ringer: 15th overall
Sports Illustrated: 17th overall
Yahoo: 20th overall
Bleacher Report: 21st overall
The Athletic: 2nd round
Stadium: 2nd round
CBS Sports: 2nd round

Like I mentioned before in a different thread: There are a lot of flags about his shooting because he only shoots pull-ups. He doesn't have a great rate of shooting different shots. Many of the draft heads consider Nesmith to be a better shooter because while he doesn't have the same throughput as Terry, he is comfortable with every kind of non-layup shot. That isn't to mention the defensive side of the ball.

That isn't to say I don't want Terry or that he isn't going to be a legendary shooter, but it is troubling to a lot of the draft guys and for good reason. Second round seems totally impossible. If he is in the 20s, the Magic need to make a move.

I just don't understand the hype around Terry. Everyone should be wary when someone rises up mock drafts in the off-season based on things like IQ and physical development. Remember when Bamba was talked about as potentially going first overall because of how well he did in interviews and how intelligent he was? The tape on Terry hasn't gotten better. The similarities to Trae or Steph are illusory. He doesn't have the game to support that, not even close. I'm not saying he can't develop those other skills, but you can dream on any prospect about what skills they could develop. The fact is, they just aren't there at this point in time. I think his agent has been working hard this summer.

[Def Swami]

Spoiler:

My picks:

If we trade up: (I'm confident we will)

1a/b Hayes / Haliburton

at #15

a/b Terry/Maxey
Pok/Lewis
Green/McDaniels/Nesmith

I've got a pretty wide open net. I've cooled on Lewis a little after watching him in interviews. He's too meak to be a leader, in my opinion. His awkwardness reminds me of Payton. I think he'll thrive as a 6th man scorer type, but don't think he'll cut it as top option.

Terry and Maxey both give us what we need in very different packages. I'd be stoked with either.

But I think Hayes or Haliburton could be picked up without giving up any long term pieces, and both project to be that. If Hayes can develop his right hand and steady his 3pt shooting, look out. Haliburton will help a team win from day 1, and could be the kind of floor leader we need to get all pieces firing at once.

I'm excited for this draft. I think something surprisingly good will come of it.

When was the last time you came away from an Orlando Magic draft feeling good? For me, the feel good draft performances have been few and far between over the last decade. I have to prep myself to not commit to a player or get excited anymore because of the let down every year.

Spoiler:

For me it was maybe 2013 with Oladipo at #2. I felt generally positive and excited about that pick. That was such a weird draft. All of the mock drafts were way off. The team's personal draft boards were all over the place. I would have been excited for CJ McCollum at #2 that year as well over the guys being talked about like Ben McLemore or Nerlens Noel. I think we could see something similar play out this year.

A little trip down memory lane...

[spoiler]Daniel Orton at #29 in 2010 was so out of left field and underwhelming. Everyone knew it was a bust when it happened. They drafted a kid who barely played at UK and never worked out, let alone had a phone call, with the Magic.

IIRC, in 2011, Otis Smith and his front office started celebrating after trading 2 future 2nd round picks for Justin Harper at 32nd from the Cavs. It was embarrassing.

2012 was an underwhelming draft to begin with. I wasn't too excited with any of those prospects in the 20's, but I actually liked Andrew Nicholson's game and personality. I'm convinced Jacque Vaughn broke Nicholson's soul in the season-opener of 2013-2014 season after benching him the entire 2nd half after Nicholson scored 18 points in the 1st half.

I'll admit it. I wanted Dante Exum and Zach Lavine in 2014. Walking away with Aaron Gordon and having to trade UP to get Elfrid Payton felt like a let down.

2015 was rotten luck. Missing Porzingis by 1 pick that year. Hennigan was so sold on him, he would have took him in 2014 if he had stayed in the draft. If Porzingis fell to Hennigan, I think there's a simulation where he's still GM.

2016 continues to age poorly. That Oladipo + Sabonis for Ibaka deal set us back. It was compounded by an even more confusing free agency with spending big money on Bismack Biyombo. That was a rough summer.

2017 was annoying because the Magic sold the #25 pick that year when guys like Kyle Kuzma, Derrick White, Josh Hart, Frank Mason III, Semi Ojeleye, Jordan Bell, Dillon Brooks, and Monte Morris were still available. The whole "draft flattened out" line from Weltman left a bad impression with me. It was a missed opportunity IMHO.

2018 is a back breaker. Probably the most devastating miss in the decade IMHO. I strongly believe the Magic were locked in on Trae Young at #6 the whole year. For the Hawks and Mavs to make that trade an hour before the draft was crushing. Much like if Porzingis fell to the Magic in 2014, I think Young on the Magic in 2018 completely changes the future of the franchise. The consolation of Mo Bamba doesn't feel great.

2019 - We'll see. I still would have taken NAW. I think he fit everything the team needed from a back court player. I was more shocked that the Magic took Chuma Okeke than anything. He wasn't slated to go that high. He was projected as a 1st rounder in many mock drafts. There was no link to us, so I didn't really pay much attention to him in the pre-draft stuff. After a year sitting on it, I like his game. I'm hopeful that his shooting translates.

[/spoiler]

Yeah, but for me the saving grace in this draft is that I can see the merits in so many prospects that WeHam will have to make a real outlier pick to piss me off. I'm with you on past drafts. And I'm not even suggesting we're going to find a franchise talent. I just think we'll get someone who can prove to have value, and once we've got a piece with value, we can start thinking and aiming bigger.

There are most certainly some prospects who can offer comparable skills to Herro, Duncan and Nunn going in this draft. Adding a piece like that to this team would be a success to me.

I'm with you on this. There are multiple players the Magic could go with where I'd be satisfied this year, and I also don't have expectations of a franchise talent this year. There are a few good options at #15 that the Magic should be able to nail the pick. They may not hit a home run, but a single or a double should be there.

I also think this is the kind of draft where the superior front offices will show themselves. Given the ability to move around the draft, the good front offices are going to find the inefficiencies in the draft and strike. I don't believe this is one of those years where the Magic can blame their draft position on their inability to land who they have at the top of their big board. If Killian Hayes is their guy, I'd appreciate them being aggressive about it. Same goes for any player they might covet. I just want to see the front office prove they have the chops to identify talent.

[Bensational]

Spoiler:

When was the last time you came away from an Orlando Magic draft feeling good? For me, the feel good draft performances have been few and far between over the last decade. I have to prep myself to not commit to a player or get excited anymore because of the let down every year.

Spoiler:

For me it was maybe 2013 with Oladipo at #2. I felt generally positive and excited about that pick. That was such a weird draft. All of the mock drafts were way off. The team's personal draft boards were all over the place. I would have been excited for CJ McCollum at #2 that year as well over the guys being talked about like Ben McLemore or Nerlens Noel. I think we could see something similar play out this year.

A little trip down memory lane...

[spoiler]Daniel Orton at #29 in 2010 was so out of left field and underwhelming. Everyone knew it was a bust when it happened. They drafted a kid who barely played at UK and never worked out, let alone had a phone call, with the Magic.

IIRC, in 2011, Otis Smith and his front office started celebrating after trading 2 future 2nd round picks for Justin Harper at 32nd from the Cavs. It was embarrassing.

2012 was an underwhelming draft to begin with. I wasn't too excited with any of those prospects in the 20's, but I actually liked Andrew Nicholson's game and personality. I'm convinced Jacque Vaughn broke Nicholson's soul in the season-opener of 2013-2014 season after benching him the entire 2nd half after Nicholson scored 18 points in the 1st half.

I'll admit it. I wanted Dante Exum and Zach Lavine in 2014. Walking away with Aaron Gordon and having to trade UP to get Elfrid Payton felt like a let down.

2015 was rotten luck. Missing Porzingis by 1 pick that year. Hennigan was so sold on him, he would have took him in 2014 if he had stayed in the draft. If Porzingis fell to Hennigan, I think there's a simulation where he's still GM.

2016 continues to age poorly. That Oladipo + Sabonis for Ibaka deal set us back. It was compounded by an even more confusing free agency with spending big money on Bismack Biyombo. That was a rough summer.

2017 was annoying because the Magic sold the #25 pick that year when guys like Kyle Kuzma, Derrick White, Josh Hart, Frank Mason III, Semi Ojeleye, Jordan Bell, Dillon Brooks, and Monte Morris were still available. The whole "draft flattened out" line from Weltman left a bad impression with me. It was a missed opportunity IMHO.

2018 is a back breaker. Probably the most devastating miss in the decade IMHO. I strongly believe the Magic were locked in on Trae Young at #6 the whole year. For the Hawks and Mavs to make that trade an hour before the draft was crushing. Much like if Porzingis fell to the Magic in 2014, I think Young on the Magic in 2018 completely changes the future of the franchise. The consolation of Mo Bamba doesn't feel great.

2019 - We'll see. I still would have taken NAW. I think he fit everything the team needed from a back court player. I was more shocked that the Magic took Chuma Okeke than anything. He wasn't slated to go that high. He was projected as a 1st rounder in many mock drafts. There was no link to us, so I didn't really pay much attention to him in the pre-draft stuff. After a year sitting on it, I like his game. I'm hopeful that his shooting translates.

[/spoiler]

Yeah, but for me the saving grace in this draft is that I can see the merits in so many prospects that WeHam will have to make a real outlier pick to piss me off. I'm with you on past drafts. And I'm not even suggesting we're going to find a franchise talent. I just think we'll get someone who can prove to have value, and once we've got a piece with value, we can start thinking and aiming bigger.

There are most certainly some prospects who can offer comparable skills to Herro, Duncan and Nunn going in this draft. Adding a piece like that to this team would be a success to me.

I'm with you on this. There are multiple players the Magic could go with where I'd be satisfied this year, and I also don't have expectations of a franchise talent this year. There are a few good options at #15 that the Magic should be able to nail the pick. They may not hit a home run, but a single or a double should be there.

I also think this is the kind of draft where the superior front offices will show themselves. Given the ability to move around the draft, the good front offices are going to find the inefficiencies in the draft and strike. I don't believe this is one of those years where the Magic can blame their draft position on their inability to land who they have at the top of their big board. If Killian Hayes is their guy, I'd appreciate them being aggressive about it. Same goes for any player they might covet. I just want to see the front office prove they have the chops to identify talent.

Yeah I'm curious when that will shake out. I think there are a few names on the board teams are hoping might slide, and all it takes is one person to jump up and trade for #2 to secure Haliburton (for example) to potentially start a run on securing the guy you want as early as possible.

I'm expecting the end draft results to be pretty different to what most expect.

[IllMagic04]

Terry does appear to have a much wider range than most prospects. I've seen him anywhere from 10 to 40, which is a massive gap.

USA Today: 10th overall
NBADraft.net: 12th overall
The Ringer: 15th overall
Sports Illustrated: 17th overall
Yahoo: 20th overall
Bleacher Report: 21st overall
The Athletic: 2nd round
Stadium: 2nd round
CBS Sports: 2nd round

Like I mentioned before in a different thread: There are a lot of flags about his shooting because he only shoots pull-ups. He doesn't have a great rate of shooting different shots. Many of the draft heads consider Nesmith to be a better shooter because while he doesn't have the same throughput as Terry, he is comfortable with every kind of non-layup shot. That isn't to mention the defensive side of the ball.

That isn't to say I don't want Terry or that he isn't going to be a legendary shooter, but it is troubling to a lot of the draft guys and for good reason. Second round seems totally impossible. If he is in the 20s, the Magic need to make a move.

I just don't understand the hype around Terry. Everyone should be wary when someone rises up mock drafts in the off-season based on things like IQ and physical development. Remember when Bamba was talked about as potentially going first overall because of how well he did in interviews and how intelligent he was? The tape on Terry hasn't gotten better. The similarities to Trae or Steph are illusory. He doesn't have the game to support that, not even close. I'm not saying he can't develop those other skills, but you can dream on any prospect about what skills they could develop. The fact is, they just aren't there at this point in time. I think his agent has been working hard this summer.

Of course he doesnt have Steph or Trae potential. If he did he wouldnt be in the running at 15. For the record Trae didnt have that potential either according to alot people. I remember alot of doubters on his game. Expectations need to be tamperd a bit. Its possible we get a all star at 15 but its not likley. Terry looks to be a guy who can be a solid contributer but at the same time has some high upside too. I wouldnt be shocked if a team takes a gamble on him before we pick

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[basketballRob]

I hope Terry goes before us.

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[pepe1991]

Terry isn't viewed as lottery pick for good reasons, but at #15 he is solid, moderate risk gamble.

Main reason mocks are wild is because every single lottery team within top 14, outside few, is looking to get a f*** out of this garbage draft and trade down, or trade pick for basketball player.

Teams that have zero reasons to add another young, mistake prone rookie :

T wolves (1#)
Warriors (2#)
Bulls ( 4# )
Hawks (5#)
Wizards (9#)
Suns (10#)
Pelicans( 13#)
Celtics (14#)

Another reason why they don't look for picks is their inflated salary. First overall pick makes $8M a year in rookie year, by the 4th year that rookie is scaling over $11M a year for player that in this draft could easly be only worth replacment level talent - $5M at most.

[drsd]

Second round targers:
1.Riller
2.Tillie
3. T. Bey
4. Reed

I for one am quite curious what Orlando does with #45. At one level this pick could replace Frazier's roster slot. Said player would almost certainly be sent to Lakeland to develop. Orlando will need PG depth next year, so perhaps Tre Jones, Malachi Flynn, or Payton Pritchard make sense (these are all in the 40s range on mocks).